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Steve2911 posted:Back to the comic chat, I'm amazed that no one's tried to adapt the events of The Killing Joke into a movie yet. I suppose both the Joker movies were pre-Batgirl and it would have made no sense, but I can totally see some hack fraud like Zack Snyder trying it in a few years time. I'd like to see it done well, anyway. I thought the latter retcon was a big improvement over the original comic material, both Superboy Prime punching the universe and Lazarus Pit were stupid, the AK origin is cooler.
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bonds0097 posted:I thought the latter retcon was a big improvement over the original comic material, both Superboy Prime punching the universe and Lazarus Pit were stupid, the AK origin is cooler. It gets a bit weird - theoretically, nothing that Joker was showing Batman should actually be real, because Joker doesn't exist - it should all be created by Batman's mind. However, there are elements of the flashbacks that Batman literally cannot have known or even guessed, such as the branding of Jason. Either Joker's blood managed to put the Joker's entire brain into Batman or something supernatural is going on. Or, of course, comic book logic.
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theflyingorc posted:It gets a bit weird - theoretically, nothing that Joker was showing Batman should actually be real, because Joker doesn't exist - it should all be created by Batman's mind. However, there are elements of the flashbacks that Batman literally cannot have known or even guessed, such as the branding of Jason. Either Joker's blood managed to put the Joker's entire brain into Batman or something supernatural is going on. You can see that while Joker didn't record the moment he branded Jason, he did record some stuff later that would clearly show the scar. Batman just filled in the blanks.
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theflyingorc posted:It gets a bit weird - theoretically, nothing that Joker was showing Batman should actually be real, because Joker doesn't exist - it should all be created by Batman's mind. However, there are elements of the flashbacks that Batman literally cannot have known or even guessed, such as the branding of Jason. Either Joker's blood managed to put the Joker's entire brain into Batman or something supernatural is going on. Batman mentions to Jason that Joker sent him a tape, which I assume is what we're viewing during those memory replays in the movie studio, with Batman filling in gaps as needed. bonds0097 fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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Considering the whole flashback is a reference to Return of the Joker, it would not surprise me if Joker edited multiple videos of Jason's torture into one happy montage for Batman. Maybe he had slides.
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I'm disappointed that Joker's "Me, in a thong???" line from Asylum didn't turn out to actually be Batman's worst fear in this game, because boy is it sure mine.
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Calaveron posted:You can see that while Joker didn't record the moment he branded Jason, he did record some stuff later that would clearly show the scar. Batman just filled in the blanks. Huh, I didn't think of that. Oh well, it's still fun to remember that all the bad jokes are being created by Batman's mind.
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Yeah, if you take the view that it's merely what Batman suspects/fears then I think it becomes a much more interesting subplot, especially given the cracks made about Catwoman, Jim, etc. The thought of Bruce suppressing some pretty vile sexual thoughts and really dark opinions on people he's meant to be allied to makes him a hell of a lot more appealing as a protagonist to me. It's something he's actively struggling and fighting against rather than just flippantly brushing off.
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Jul 7, 2015 15:18
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So, I found a poster of the boxing match cancelled feature JokerBoxer dude. He was supposed to fight Ted Grant. So, that's where he went after Brick kicked his poo poo in.
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Jul 7, 2015 15:19
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Does anyone happen to have a Knightfall save ready to go but not started by any chance? Because gently caress spending hours on collectable trophies.
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bunnyofdoom posted:So, I found a poster of the boxing match cancelled feature JokerBoxer dude. He was supposed to fight Ted Grant. So, that's where he went after Brick kicked his poo poo in. My favorite reference in the game is Kord industries. Hooray for Blue Beetle! Also the fact that part of Gotham is named Otisburg. Apparently that was established in DC Universe Online or something, but taking a joke from the original Superman movie and making it canon is pretty cool.
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Some mooks were talking about unionizing since Riddler laid off his workforce and replaced them with robots 
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theflyingorc posted:Joker has the wrong goddamn hat and I'll never forgive them for it I immediately forgave them since it says "FLASH BACK" on it.
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Some concept art for a superman game? Superman:  This says Superman Suit: Pre-Opening Battle Brainiac render: 
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  well poo poo, maybe their is a superman game.
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Or someone drew some pictures.
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The mother of all moose knuckles
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I could be wrong, but I think if a Superman game could work at all, it'd be as an objective-based game where you have to do various heroic tasks in Metropolis in a certain time period. Any cases where combat did exist would be in areas where there's kryptonite, and that portion would resemble Dynasty Warriors somewhat, with one powerful PC fighting a group of enemies he could easily take out and would only serve to whittle or slow him down. All in all, I think a Superman game could work as a game that's less focused on combat (but still has it in cases where it wouldn't be unloseable) and more focused on perils to save Metropolis or specific citizens/buildings from, with each level having a short, related series of perils.
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I enjoy the big dumb belt buckle without any belt.
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Superman:
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Also, uh, nice super-girdle.
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Steve2911 posted:Also, I do like how Batman's flashbacks of The Killing Joke and Death in the Family in this game differ quite a bit from how they are in the comics. The way Joker shoots Todd mid-sentence is loving great. If you maneuver the camera around when Joker shoots Jason, you can see that the bullet actually misses him completely and hits the chair.
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Make a Superman game in the No Man's Sky engine. Just an open universe game where he can run across random poo poo and punch it.
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Man, there's so much good poo poo in this game tainted by so much poorly thought out rubbish. I've played every Arkham game on Hard mode and enjoyed it a lot (while refusing to upgrade armor on the suit or car because I'm Batman, I don't get hit/shot) but gently caress that tank battle outside GCPD during the finale. I die in 30 seconds then have to sit through a cutscene with a minigun blasting away. The first and only time I set one of these games to easy. What the hell were Rocksteady thinking putting so much of this shite in? Most uplifting part of the game was watching that loving Batmobile get crushed, and that's probably not the emotion they were going for. But I did dig the insanely tough fights in and around GCPD.
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Narcissus1916 posted:Just did the Panessa Studios section. Jesus. You know, Batman sure really didn't cared to save the boxer and old man from being murdered and then committing suicide. In City and Origins he would at this point summon the Remote Batrang and use the Reverse version that seems to never get used again to take them out, but in the game he just stood there and watch and didn't seem to give a poo poo.
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Calaveron posted:Haha Batman, you beat all of my batmobile challenges and freed Catwoman! I will now bust out of a door like the Kool-Aid man with my giant loving robot in a tremendous show of force of what will surely be a pretty cool tag-team boss fight! Oh wait, never mind, come back later. Does anyone have a video of this? I got it in my game and wanted to show my friends but all the videos I found were if they already had all the riddles.
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Batman knows where Riddler's hiding. After the story's over he should probably just send thousands of GCPD offers there and save himself some effort. I'm sure they could crack through that floor pretty easily.
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Steve2911 posted:Batman knows where Riddler's hiding. After the story's over he should probably just send thousands of GCPD offers there and save himself some effort. I'm sure they could crack through that floor pretty easily.
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deepshock posted:I could be wrong, but I think if a Superman game could work at all, it'd be as an objective-based game where you have to do various heroic tasks in Metropolis in a certain time period. Any cases where combat did exist would be in areas where there's kryptonite, and that portion would resemble Dynasty Warriors somewhat, with one powerful PC fighting a group of enemies he could easily take out and would only serve to whittle or slow him down. All in all, I think a Superman game could work as a game that's less focused on combat (but still has it in cases where it wouldn't be unloseable) and more focused on perils to save Metropolis or specific citizens/buildings from, with each level having a short, related series of perils. Now figure out how to make the flying give a sense of Superman-like speed while not being a nightmare to navigate. It's not necessarily impossible, but flight is a huge problem.
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theflyingorc posted:Now figure out how to make the flying give a sense of Superman-like speed while not being a nightmare to navigate. Superman doesn't always fly at high speed,high speed for fast travel.
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Man, a Flash game by rocksteady would probably be really sick.
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theflyingorc posted:Now figure out how to make the flying give a sense of Superman-like speed while not being a nightmare to navigate. Yeah, either you have a very nerfed Superman or everything is constantly in bullet-time edit: ^ same with Flash
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Superman doesn't kill! *turns on super x-ray vision to see the body you punched into the skybox is in fact just 'unconscious'*
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Kurtofan posted:Superman doesn't always fly at high speed,high speed for fast travel. He does whenever anyone's in danger, though. You can't have a person being threatened on top of a building and NOT have Superman zip up there almost immediately. It's a big part of "being Superman" that's hard to capture. He should basically always be in bullet time.  edit: And to compound, being in bullet time wouldn't feel that great, especially in 3D flight. You could lean on something like the Fear system from Arkham Knight, but it's still going to be a really, really difficult design. I'm having a really hard time just seeing Superman move around the world. Does he just walk? Awkwardly fly? Again, I'm not saying it's impossible, it's just an incredible amount of design and tech work, and you need to be able to try things that spectacularly fail. You'd have to have Rocksteady's kind of budget to even begin to attempt it. theflyingorc fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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theflyingorc posted:He does whenever anyone's in danger, though. You can't have a person being threatened on top of a building and NOT have Superman zip up there almost immediately. It's a big part of "being Superman" that's hard to capture. He should basically always be in bullet time. You could have a cruising speed which is fast but not too fast like in something like SR4 and then a super-speed version of flight that is essentially a teleport like in Dishonored, time slows down for a moment you target a spot and then Superman zooms there at super speed.
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Well, the flying parts of Superman Returns actually felt really drat satisfying. I would seriously boot up the game and spend like, half an hour just flying around high enough that I wouldn't run into random encounters or make waves in the ocean. Honestly, if they just took that game and fixed it up some it would be just fine. Besides, Superman always nerfs himself to some degree out of fear of killing everything if he goes all out, like he explains in his famous World of Cardboard speech. Flytrap fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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Mr. Flunchy posted:Man, there's so much good poo poo in this game tainted by so much poorly thought out rubbish. I've played every Arkham game on Hard mode and enjoyed it a lot (while refusing to upgrade armor on the suit or car because I'm Batman, I don't get hit/shot) but gently caress that tank battle outside GCPD during the finale. I die in 30 seconds then have to sit through a cutscene with a minigun blasting away. The first and only time I set one of these games to easy. What the hell were Rocksteady thinking putting so much of this shite in? I think it's ironic that you're complaining about difficulty in one breath and praising it in the next.
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Having one last checkpoint to find on Miagani Island is a bitch. I can't detective mode it because there's a lot of rioters standing around in places.
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Suicide Squad seems like the best choice for a game after this. DC has a videogame problem that marvel doesn't really share where the characters the mainstream really knows are pretty much Batman, Batfamily, or ridiculously powered gods who probably don't make for the best games.
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theflyingorc posted:That's a pretty inexcusable oversight, actually. Somebody's job should have been to go over the story in NG+ and make sure you can't sequence break with extra gadgets. I actually ran into this- when I tried to disruptor it on my NG+ Batman said "I can't do this right now," and I was like, why the gently caress not? Guess there are some situations they didn't account for though.
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