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Angelina Jo lee was the deliverance man's daughter where would we be without tomb raider movies?
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EmmyOk posted:Jason Schwartzman is terrible His band or his acting. Actually, wait. Redundant question.
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Jul 7, 2015 14:50
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EmmyOk posted:Jason Schwartzman is terrible flosofl posted:His band or his acting. Actually, wait. Redundant question. Not everyone has an automatic revulsion to Wes Anderson and he's usually good in those  Krinkle posted:Angelina Jo lee was the deliverance man's daughter where would we be without tomb raider movies? I had to look up her imdb to realize that while she's been in a few three-star movies I can't name a single one she's starred in that's an unqualified classic. Weird.
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Jul 7, 2015 14:57
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Jon Voight is kind of a joke now, but his work when he was young outclasses Angelina, she's not even in his league.
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Jul 7, 2015 15:03
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mind the walrus posted:I had to look up her imdb to realize that while she's been in a few three-star movies I can't name a single one she's starred in that's an unqualified classic. Weird. Girl, Interrupted maybe. And no, not everyone has an automatic revulsion to Wes Anderson movies. Sadly, a cure has not yet been found.
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Jul 7, 2015 15:11
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mind the walrus posted:Not everyone has an automatic revulsion to Wes Anderson and he's usually good in those I like Wes Anderson a lot
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Jul 7, 2015 15:19
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If anyone wants more Jackie Chan (and more!) chat and suggestions, come check out the Classic Martial-Arts Cinema thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3560732 It's only 10 pages long, but it's full of excellent recommendations and discussion on the movies, choreography, and history behind it all. There are some super knowledgeable goons in there.
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Jul 7, 2015 16:20
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ElGroucho posted:Nice
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Jul 7, 2015 16:50
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Re: John Wick Could someone please link the CD thread? I just recently saw it and am wondering what I missed. I have archives and looked for it but cant find it 
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Jul 7, 2015 17:29
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mind the walrus posted:Apparently the girl who played the Waterbender chick in the Live Action Last Airbender movie was the daughter of some bigwig executive/producer/executive producer and nepotism is a thing, that might explain the kid in Bridge? "Oh sure we'll let you use our house for filming but young Thomas here always wanted to be a star..." Apparently her father is the Chairman of Wendy's. I'm not sure that really helps in Hollywood.
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Jul 7, 2015 17:30
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Aphrodite posted:Apparently her father is the Chairman of Wendy's. I'm not sure that really helps in Hollywood. Huh. That's interesting. I imagine it's not a direct help but you never know the dad might've been golf buddies with chairmen at Paramount. I'm really just going off of hearsay though, so don't take anything I'm saying that seriously.
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Jul 7, 2015 17:34
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flosofl posted:Yeah, that movie is a great example of "show, not tell". As it is said in Adaptation "God help you if you use voice-over." It's a movie, show me. If you need to give background information in a movie, you've not made a good movie. Show me. Show me. Show me.
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Jul 7, 2015 18:35
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mind the walrus posted:And Nick Cage, and arguably Jason Schwartzman, and Robert Downey Jr., and many many others. Nepotism can work out for everyone involved. Yeah, but those are all dudes so it doesn't count. 90% of the time "nepotism" is shorthand for "a woman makes me uncomfortable but I can't actually criticise her work on its own merits".
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Jul 7, 2015 19:07
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Pook Good Mook posted:Jokes on you, that fight is probably the most accurate depiction of medieval sword fighting ever put to film. It does a couple of things right, such as showing how effective armour actually is but its pretty obvious the actors barely know how to use a sword. Not that youde use one against an armoured opponent anway. 
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Jul 7, 2015 19:11
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Does anyone have a compilation of a young person excitedly walking into the hospital room of an older person, either family or not or even different race, that the young person has grown to love and respect over the course of a film and has just accomplished a problem they had throughout the film only to walk in on a nurse putting new sheets and then confusedly asking where <old person> was and the nurse informs them they just passed away causing the young person to start crying and run out of the room? Thanks Optional: the nurse can call the young person "sweetie" or some other similar term.
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Jul 7, 2015 19:18
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There is a chance I could be wrong about this, because I guess it is possible that his beverage in Age of Ultron was non-alcoholic, but they make a big deal in the original Captain America about how fast Captain America heals and the example they use is that he can't get drunk anymore because his body metabolizes the alcohol too fast. He says he doesn't drink anymore, but in the party scene in Age of Ultron he is holding the same bottle everyone else is getting drunk on. Why drink if you can't even get drunk Steve? You said you don't drink anymore! Who can I trust now?!?
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Jul 7, 2015 19:19
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Nutsngum posted:It does a couple of things right, such as showing how effective armour actually is but its pretty obvious the actors barely know how to use a sword. Not that youde use one against an armoured opponent anway. I was under the impression that the weight of the sword and the force of the swing would cave in plate armor and kill your opponent anyway. It was never really about slicing, right? Note that most of what I know about medieval combat is from reading folk discussing it casually in various thread derails.
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Jul 7, 2015 19:22
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FELD1 posted:I was under the impression that the weight of the sword and the force of the swing would cave in plate armor and kill your opponent anyway. It was never really about slicing, right? How heavy do you think swords were?
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Jul 7, 2015 19:48
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FELD1 posted:I was under the impression that the weight of the sword and the force of the swing would cave in plate armor and kill your opponent anyway. It was never really about slicing, right? Your average sword weighs between one and one and a half kilograms. Swords are not heavy things and will glance off plate armour. Thats why they wore it.  Doesnt mean you cant try and get into a nook or cranny between the plates though, mail is less effective against stabbing and thrusts.
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Jul 7, 2015 19:51
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Yeah, from what I remember of shows and books on the topic, better to use maces and daggers--one to batter the enemy until he can't fight back, and then the dagger to finish him off when you can get between the joints of his armor. The famous "murder-stroke" mordhau move was to grab your sword by the blade with your heavily padded gloves and use the pommel and hilt like a hammer to beat your foe down.
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Jul 7, 2015 20:16
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Lotish posted:Yeah, from what I remember of shows and books on the topic, better to use maces and daggers--one to batter the enemy until he can't fight back, and then the dagger to finish him off when you can get between the joints of his armor. You can do that with your bare hands as well, no need for gloves. Funnily enough, people moan about the end scene of Rob Roy where he grabs Tim Roth's sword but in fact that most inaccurate part is that in reality he wouldn't even have cut his hand.
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Jul 7, 2015 20:28
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Man they had no cameras back then and I doubt woodcut artists could go quick enough to chip out an accurate rendition of the action. We basically dunno how the gently caress any motherfucker fought For Real. Goddamned LARP nerds. Anyway, fuckin' Home. He drops off Rihanna in the new human spiral town place, and she can't find her mother so she just...sits in a shed like a hobo for a while? It never occurs to her to ask around, leave notes, get up high and yell, any of that poo poo? Immersion ROONT.
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Jul 7, 2015 20:35
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:There is a chance I could be wrong about this, because I guess it is possible that his beverage in Age of Ultron was non-alcoholic, but they make a big deal in the original Captain America about how fast Captain America heals and the example they use is that he can't get drunk anymore because his body metabolizes the alcohol too fast. He says he doesn't drink anymore, but in the party scene in Age of Ultron he is holding the same bottle everyone else is getting drunk on. He might like the taste? It's also easier to carry a bottle in your hand than say to every new person who asks if you want a beer "nope I don't drink. No I really don't want a drink. I'm good with this here water/other drink/nothing."
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Jul 7, 2015 20:43
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Disgusting Coward posted:Man they had no cameras back then and I doubt woodcut artists could go quick enough to chip out an accurate rendition of the action. We basically dunno how the gently caress any motherfucker fought For Real. Goddamned LARP nerds. There are these things called books where things are written down in. Things like medieval era martial arts and weapon training...
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FELD1 posted:I was under the impression that the weight of the sword and the force of the swing would cave in plate armor and kill your opponent anyway. It was never really about slicing, right? HELL no. Swords couldn't do dick against plate mail. There was a medieval arms race and swords were never the winners. But swords are good at killing unarmored enemies, they're lighter than a big spear or pike and can be carried on horseback. Maces are light too but aren't as effective against unarmored enemies. You had way more unarmored enemies than armored enemies. And a good stab or slash with a sword, even if it didn't kill, would usually lead to disease and infection that they couldn't cure back then, which would cause a fatality. The elite guys who could afford fancy armor were mostly unkillable and could ride around killing the weaker forces, only in real trouble if they get surrounded and can't escape. The counter to cavalry is spears / pikes. Armor is too expensive, so you just get a ton of loving poor serfs and give them all spears. When you do have to kill enemy knights in full plate, the counter to plate armor is maces / warhammers. Maces are way more effective at bashing in a breastplate to make somebody suffocate or bash in a helmet to crush somebody's skull than a sword is. You could bang a sword on a breastplate all day as hard as you can and it won't do dick to that plate. You can see throughout medieval times how the helmet designs improved to survive against hammer blows. Now, that said doesn't mean you never fought a guy in full plate using a sword. If swords are good at killing unarmored targets and enemy plate soldiers are rare, who cares? But then when you do happen to run into somebody in plate, you gotta make do. So swords were used to swordfight between knights in full plate. It did happen. However what usually happened was they'd bash each other or trip each other until one of them was lying prone, and then the other one would lean down and stab him with a dagger under the plate. The real horrors of medieval warfare  Knights in full plate were pretty much the Sherman tanks of their time.This is what actual knights-in-armor-with-swords fighting looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S_Q3CGqZmg Its kinda silly. Its more like wrestling than what you think of swordfighting. You use your sword more like a lever than a weapon. E: Checking the numbers of army composition, it looks like armored nobles and men-at-arms usually made up 1/10th of an army, which is more than I expected but still definitely a small minority. The rest were mostly archers and spearmen which would not be wearing full plate. Zaphod42 has a new favorite as of 03:38 on Jul 8, 2015 |
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Jul 7, 2015 20:45
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Nutsngum posted:There are these things called books where things are written down in. Things like medieval era martial arts and weapon training... Often people write things down and this does not reflect reality. For example, the mermaids that supposedly lured sailors to their deaths. Or the heroic deeds of Heracles. Or Prester John's Nestorian empire. Or the various martial arts manuals through the years that say "Oh yeah in a fight just do x, then y and if he does z then just do..." and then expect dudes to pull that poo poo off in a crisis situation.
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Jul 7, 2015 20:55
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Sleeveless posted:Yeah, but those are all dudes so it doesn't count. 90% of the time "nepotism" is shorthand for "a woman makes me uncomfortable but I can't actually criticise her work on its own merits". Really? Where is that? I've definitely never used it in that context, in fact when I think of nepotism the very first thing I think of is "a guy who got the job because Daddy knows a guy."
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Jul 7, 2015 21:10
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No, you don't expect them to just read a book and then do that in a crisis. That's why they would practice until it became second nature, like any martial artist.
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Jul 7, 2015 21:11
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:There is a chance I could be wrong about this, because I guess it is possible that his beverage in Age of Ultron was non-alcoholic, but they make a big deal in the original Captain America about how fast Captain America heals and the example they use is that he can't get drunk anymore because his body metabolizes the alcohol too fast. He says he doesn't drink anymore, but in the party scene in Age of Ultron he is holding the same bottle everyone else is getting drunk on. He could just like the taste of it.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:There is a chance I could be wrong about this, because I guess it is possible that his beverage in Age of Ultron was non-alcoholic, but they make a big deal in the original Captain America about how fast Captain America heals and the example they use is that he can't get drunk anymore because his body metabolizes the alcohol too fast. He says he doesn't drink anymore, but in the party scene in Age of Ultron he is holding the same bottle everyone else is getting drunk on. Everyone was doing it.
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Jul 7, 2015 21:25
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mostlygray posted:As it is said in Adaptation "God help you if you use voice-over." I just saw casino for the first time last week and I really enjoyed how they played with voice overs. when joe pesci gets whacked in a corn field his narration goes "OWCH". I laughed so hard but then he started begging for his brother's life and got real uncomfortable.
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Jul 7, 2015 21:32
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Disgusting Coward posted:Often people write things down and this does not reflect reality. For example, the mermaids that supposedly lured sailors to their deaths. Or the heroic deeds of Heracles. Or Prester John's Nestorian empire. Or the various martial arts manuals through the years that say "Oh yeah in a fight just do x, then y and if he does z then just do..." and then expect dudes to pull that poo poo off in a crisis situation.
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Jul 7, 2015 22:15
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Disgusting Coward posted:Often people write things down and this does not reflect reality. For example, the mermaids that supposedly lured sailors to their deaths. Or the heroic deeds of Heracles. Or Prester John's Nestorian empire. Or the various martial arts manuals through the years that say "Oh yeah in a fight just do x, then y and if he does z then just do..." and then expect dudes to pull that poo poo off in a crisis situation. This is why I don't believe in Henry IV.
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Jul 7, 2015 22:56
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Lotish posted:No, you don't expect them to just read a book and then do that in a crisis. That's why they would practice until it became second nature, like any martial artist. I've heard a ton of people rip on martial arts because "oh yeah what're you gonna do, ask the bad guy to grab you in that one special way you practiced? yeah right" Which just seems ignorant. I mean, yeah I guess some American Ka-rah-tee is just a money grab that teaches you nothing, maybe people had a bad experience. But most real martial arts is about practicing a series of attacks and a philosophy of movement and response to the point where it is completely second nature, which is absolutely practical in a fight. Muscle memory is a really big deal. Any musician can tell you.
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Jul 7, 2015 23:00
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mind the walrus posted:Really? Where is that? I've definitely never used it in that context, in fact when I think of nepotism the very first thing I think of is "a guy who got the job because Daddy knows a guy."
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Jul 7, 2015 23:21
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The thing I liked about John Wick was that he did the headshot thing in pretty much every kill. That's the "reality" of things. You get shot in the heart, you still can be "active" for maybe half a min to a min before you are dead. Not saying you are gonna get up and dance, but you have enough time to get your pistol and shoot back, and maybe get lucky and gently caress up the dude who shot you. You get tapped twice in the head, you no thunk so gud no more and want go nap nap and therefore whoever vented your dome no longer has to worry about you, pretty much immediately.
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Jul 7, 2015 23:36
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It just drove home the point that he is a real pro and not a dude you gently caress with in any way. If only that punk kid had known. And it made for some slick flow and punch to the fight scenes. Throat punch, disarm, HEADSHOT. Next..
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Zaphod42 posted:I've heard a ton of people rip on martial arts because "oh yeah what're you gonna do, ask the bad guy to grab you in that one special way you practiced? yeah right" The why do traditional martial artists always get their assess kicked when they compete in MMA events against people who don't just practice the same handful of moves over and over.
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He even gets interrupted a couple times while shooting and always remembers to loop back around and finish them off.
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Sleeveless posted:The why do traditional martial artists always get their assess kicked when they compete in MMA events against people who don't just practice the same handful of moves over and over. My suspension of disbelief watching Cary Elwes take down Andre the Giant  Ruined
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