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Jul 7, 2015 23:15
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Exactly how long have you been waiting to hoist this thread with that post?
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Jul 7, 2015 23:30
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Daeren posted:Exactly how long have you been waiting to hoist this thread with that post? About a year. I've had the song picked out for the Seers of the Throne post for just as long. But, well, I figured I'd wait until the second drafts of the Orders were in before doing any more of them, and then I posted for the playtest so I'd actually already Developed the Orders, and, well, time makes fools of us all.
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Jul 7, 2015 23:32
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• Determined Prosecutor: “Prosecution rests,” I say, and I know I’ve won. The defense looks battered, exhausted. The jury shares my victory, justly recognizing the guilty party as such. Hours, days, weeks spent practicing for the trial, and a quick finger run over my spectacle rims tells me the jury’s deliberation will take less than an hour. Another finger motion sees my e-mail exploding with job offers, none of which I’ll take. The brightest future for me is right here. Everyone looks at this job as a stepping stone, either climbing higher in the state’s attorney office or as a trial-by-fire for one of the big firms. They look at this job as a challenge and a place for improvement, and they’re right. That’s why I’ll never leave. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhI0OVs_zj0
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Jul 7, 2015 23:37
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Okay, now tell us what Brutal Casting was.
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Jul 7, 2015 23:39
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the heroic adamantine arrow lawyer working in the prison industrial complex. i have bested you in legal battle, youth of color. your defeat shall be a lifetime of denied human rights, what do you mean am I a seer
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Jul 7, 2015 23:40
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tatankatonk posted:• Determined Prosecutor: “Prosecution rests,” I say, and I know I’ve won. The defense looks battered, exhausted. The jury shares my victory, justly recognizing the guilty party as such. Hours, days, weeks spent practicing for the trial, and a quick finger run over my spectacle rims tells me the jury’s deliberation will take less than an hour. Another finger motion sees my e-mail exploding with job offers, none of which I’ll take. The brightest future for me is right here. Everyone looks at this job as a stepping stone, either climbing higher in the state’s attorney office or as a trial-by-fire for one of the big firms. They look at this job as a challenge and a place for improvement, and they’re right. That’s why I’ll never leave. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo
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Jul 7, 2015 23:40
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Phoenix Wright is a defense attorney
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Jul 7, 2015 23:44
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Yeah, I'm not entirely against using published RPG materials as a venue to own the poo poo out of people from the Internet, but an ambitious, promotion-craving lawyer in a States Attorney's Office doesn't seem like a great example of a Pentacle mage.
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Jul 7, 2015 23:46
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Given that the "Pitch" for the Arrow is a mentor and student assessing a crime in action and deciding the true perpetrator is the slum lord, and that the color of the defendant is never specified in that character piece... I think you're reading a bit much into that.
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Jul 7, 2015 23:49
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Both the sample characters are Seers.
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Jul 7, 2015 23:55
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Dave Brookshaw posted:Given that the "Pitch" for the Arrow is a mentor and student assessing a crime in action and deciding the true perpetrator is the slum lord, and that the color of the defendant is never specified in that character piece... I think you're reading a bit much into that. If you're going to go to some length to establish that in the opening fiction, why'd the author undermine it by making the two sample concepts a state prosecutor and a mercenary gun-runner
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Jul 7, 2015 23:56
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It is tubular to see one side of the mouth tell us that the Adamantine Arrow doesn't involve itself with temporal causes and the other side present a Talon as a passionate upholder of the "rule of law" in a modern courtroom. This, I say, is ideology.
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Jul 8, 2015 00:01
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I'm not sure what bearing the opening fiction is supposed to have on those guys anyway since it's clearly from the Silver Ladder writeup.
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Jul 8, 2015 00:01
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Gerund posted:It is tubular to see one side of the mouth tell us that the Adamantine Arrow doesn't involve itself with temporal causes and the other side present a Talon as a passionate upholder of the "rule of law" in a modern courtroom. *waves arms to perform rote mudra*
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Jul 8, 2015 00:18
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Manfred Von Karma is pretty much the last character in that series I want to play.
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Jul 8, 2015 00:37
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Hey, they might not be Seers. Maybe the Adamantine Arrow is just metaphysically evil, like summoning zombies? Open your minds
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Jul 8, 2015 00:40
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Pope Guilty posted:Manfred Von Karma is pretty much the last character in that series I want to play. Miles Edgeworth gets p. cool once he breaks free of Von Karma's teachings, though, and so does that dude who is a prosecutor and also a rock star.
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Jul 8, 2015 01:11
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The Adamantine Arrow prosecutor is a hard-working prosecutor doing their best to take down Seer-owned businesses that suck the life out of their communities. Or they're a domestic violence specialist. There, good nice guy. Explicitly in the text, doesn't want a promotion.
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Jul 8, 2015 01:12
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Mors Rattus posted:Miles Edgeworth gets p. cool once he breaks free of Von Karma's teachings, though, and so does that dude who is a prosecutor and also a rock star. I love that he speaks in a German accent, but his brother doesn't.
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Jul 8, 2015 01:15
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bewilderment posted:The Adamantine Arrow prosecutor is a hard-working prosecutor doing their best to take down Seer-owned businesses that suck the life out of their communities. This is a private firm lawyer specializing in torts. quote:Or they're a domestic violence specialist. This, uh, doesn't exist. quote:There, good nice guy. Explicitly in the text, doesn't want a promotion. On this we agree, except inasmuch as promotions help him achieve goals -- the glory of the promotion itself not factoring into it.
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Jul 8, 2015 01:16
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Crion posted:This is a private firm lawyer specializing in torts. I know nothing about law. Oops. But! "The brightest future for me is right here. Everyone looks at this job as a stepping stone, either climbing higher in the state’s attorney office or as a trial-by-fire for one of the big firms. They look at this job as a challenge and a place for improvement, and they’re right. That’s why I’ll never leave." They're literally staying in that position and they don't want to be promoted at all. They are happy in their current job. They are exactly where they want to be.
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Jul 8, 2015 02:00
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bewilderment posted:I know nothing about law. Oops. But! Rereading it, I can see that interpretation, but I read that as him saying he's going to stay and climb the ladder in the States Attorneys office. Perhaps that should read "Everyone else" or something similar. I mean the overall problem is still that he's a Seer by his described profession.
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Jul 8, 2015 02:11
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Dave Brookshaw posted:Arrow preview is up. I'm just so goddamn happy to have contributed to a book somehow.  I should post more terrible character ideas to get legendarily mocked, it could be the most next-level route to getting published ever devised. Cabbit fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Jul 8, 2015 |
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Jul 8, 2015 02:19
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I get being skeptical of law enforcement and the justice system, but I am really baffled by the position that it's impossible for a DA to not be a Seer.
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Jul 8, 2015 02:31
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Mors Rattus posted:I get being skeptical of law enforcement and the justice system, but I am really baffled by the position that it's impossible for a DA to not be a Seer. Maybe it's possible in the World of Darkness, a world notably more idealized and moral than irl?
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Jul 8, 2015 02:33
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Let me put it this way: if, after going and watching Blue Bloods or some other trashy cop show, I decide I want to be Heroic Arrow DA, if my GM told me it was impossible, all DAs are evil, I'd be kind of weirded out and not want to game with that rear end in a top hat. E: Anecdotally, I'm also quite fond of my uncle, who spent years as a Manhattan prosecutor, working most notably on the police corruption cases after the Serpico affair, and I like to think he's a pretty good dude. (He later retired from prosecuting to be a defense attorney who now exclusively works death penalty cases because he believes the death penalty is wrong.)
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Jul 8, 2015 02:34
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It's the WoD. Klavier Gavin: Adamantine Arrow would be run out of his job for not being corrupt within a week.
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Jul 8, 2015 02:36
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Pope Guilty posted:It's the WoD. Klavier Gavin: Adamantine Arrow would be run out of his job for not being corrupt within a week. Isn't that why the guy would be a protagonist? Because the story of him trying to keep his job and stay a good person has conflict with powerful groups within the setting and thus produces drama?
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Jul 8, 2015 02:37
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Mors Rattus posted:Let me put it this way: if, after going and watching Blue Bloods or some other trashy cop show, I decide I want to be Heroic Arrow DA, if my GM told me it was impossible, all DAs are evil, I'd be kind of weirded out and not want to game with that rear end in a top hat. But this is not you trying to play a DA Arrow in a Mage game at your table. This is sample characters for the line in the book. Neither of the presented characters are primarily combatants (nor, indeed, are said to engage in physical combat whatsoever) and both exemplify their ideals through service as cogs in the machine of temporal, hegemonic power. Like, sure, throw in a lawyer mage to stick it to the people who think "my battlefield...is the courtroom" is silly. But a prosecutor more concerned with winning court cases than guilt or innocence and an amoral gun runner who makes even his allies pay for his weapons?
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Jul 8, 2015 02:39
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I love that "I'm sorry, the concept of a law enforcement officer who isn't irrevocably corrupt is too outlandish for this, a game of pretend wizards." is a thing.
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Jul 8, 2015 02:40
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Sample characters are the examples for what you can play as PCs. That is their purpose. The Arrow who punches people to death because he is the Zen warrior monk is so obvious you don't have to tell people they can play it. They got that. They understand it, it's baked into the idea. I also don't know where you're reading that the lawyer cares more about victory than guilt or innocence?
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Jul 8, 2015 02:40
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Mors Rattus posted:Let me put it this way: if, after going and watching Blue Bloods or some other trashy cop show, I decide I want to be Heroic Arrow DA, if my GM told me it was impossible, all DAs are evil, I'd be kind of weirded out and not want to game with that rear end in a top hat. Would you accept the ST saying that according to the setting information as currently presented, the act of enforcing a temporal ideology (of which the mortal crime and punishment system most definitely is) runs counter to the Adamant Arrow's philosophy post-1945?
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Jul 8, 2015 02:41
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I would probably stare at the dude and be like 'okay, so should I go find another table to play my concept at?' Because I really don't understand what the point is at shooting down this idea.
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Jul 8, 2015 02:42
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Cabbit posted:I love that "I'm sorry, the concept of a law enforcement officer who isn't irrevocably corrupt is too outlandish for this, a game of pretend wizards." is a thing. Well, it would be pretty stupid for an adamantine arrow to be the one good apple working for the evil (seer) tree
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Jul 8, 2015 02:44
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The Seers don't literally run every institution. They don't have to! Their job is to ensure the status quo of Exarch hegemony. The job of the Seers is to go in and quash people who are trying to make the world better, but they don't have to actively infiltrate everything to make it worse. It's more like this guy is an Arrow, and someone in the tree is probably a Seer, maybe a few folks, and most of the tree is just a tree.
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Jul 8, 2015 02:45
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Mors Rattus posted:The Seers don't literally run every institution. They don't have to! Their job is to ensure the status quo of Exarch hegemony. The job of the Seers is to go in and quash people who are trying to make the world better, but they don't have to actively infiltrate everything to make it worse. It's more like this guy is an Arrow, and someone in the tree is probably a Seer, maybe a few folks, and most of the tree is just a tree. So then it would be pretty stupid for the adamantine arrow to be the good apple working for the evil tree that's actively enforcing Seer hegemony
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Jul 8, 2015 02:46
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Why? Making the world better's a good way to fight them, plus it's a challenge and therefore a good avenue of self-improvement. That's kind of what the Arrow does. By your logic, no Pentacle mage should ever take part in any aspect of society, or in fact the Fallen World in general.
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Jul 8, 2015 02:47
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tatankatonk posted:So then it would be pretty stupid for the adamantine arrow to be the good apple working for the evil tree that's actively enforcing Seer hegemony Don't you have to be pretty stupid to fight the Seers anyway, instead of just being a cool wizard-king enjoying the fruits of your God-Emperor's bounty?
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Mors Rattus posted:Sample characters are the examples for what you can play as PCs. That is their purpose. The Arrow who punches people to death because he is the Zen warrior monk is so obvious you don't have to tell people they can play it. They got that. They understand it, it's baked into the idea. Then I look forward to all the sample Silver Ladders being empiricists, the sample Libertines being priests, the sample Guardians being whistleblowers and the sample Mystagogues being illiterate. You can play all those characters, so why not?
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