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We don't have remotely as much solar as we should in AZ. I'm on the other main Phoenix electrical provider and I just have on-peak/off-peak rates, but they also offer at least three different on/off-peak plans. I'm on the traditional one where eight hours of every business day (M-F excluding major holidays) is considered on-peak. It's really not that bad to deal with, and even with the increased cost of cooling during on-peak, it still ends up saving money overall. Set the thermostat a bit more conservatively during on-peak and don't run any large appliances you can get away with (washer/dryer, dishwasher, etc). They have two other options where only three hours a day are on-peak, but the rate during those three hours goes stupid high.
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The Locator posted:I am honestly surprised that peak rate plans aren't a thing everywhere. Bad assumption on my part. We're in nuke and coal country around here, 7.98 flat. Probably one of the reasons why there hasn't been a rush for peak billing, power is cheap.
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In Alameda (which has its own little splitter power company, we don't pay PG&E) there's an EV discount in addition to off-peak rates, but only if you use off-peak charging. It's not really a significant amount of money, but hey, double discount!
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pun pundit posted:I don't know if Tesla knew about this when they made their estimates on future battery costs, but it appears highly relevant that researchers claim to halve production cost on Li-Ion batteries. They've apparently already produced 10 000 batteries on assembly lines for testing. A lot of these research press releases are really misleading. I would take anything these puff pieces say with a grain of salt. One of the things mentioned in the article is that the battery they worked on is very similar to an established battery design which has a lower energy density than the more usual lithium battery technology. Energy density is a very important figure of merit for batteries for cars, and I would be surprised if any compromise in that area could be afforded. silence_kit fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Jun 26, 2015 |
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GM is claiming that Bolt prototypes are already at ~200 mile range and it will cost $30-40k. I haven't done any real digging or asked my sources yet about it, though.
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NVEnergy in Las Vegas offers time-of-use metering plus an additional discount for EV owners. I don't have it, though, because we're in a rental condo and I don't have 220V power to the garage. I trickle charge overnight and it usually takes longer than the 8-hour discount window. When we buy a house, I'm totally going with rooftop solar + 220V + TOU. I could pay out of pocket to run 220V to the garage now (owner's OK with it) but a quote put it at about $3000 and I'm not terribly fond of paying for improvements to someone else's property.
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King Hotpants posted:NVEnergy in Las Vegas offers time-of-use metering plus an additional discount for EV owners. I don't have it, though, because we're in a rental condo and I don't have 220V power to the garage. I trickle charge overnight and it usually takes longer than the 8-hour discount window. If you have 2 110s in the garage on different breakers you could use something like this. $275 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYctcjvRx9I
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Why does no one seem to be seriously directly competing with Tesla? I don't know a lot about cars so maybe I'm just wrong but it doesn't seem like anyone else is trying to do what they're doing. All of the other EVs on the market seem to range from really slow, boring, and ugly to just sort of slow, boring and ugly. I don't even understand what the market is for a vehicle like this other than people who have way too much money and just want to say they have a fuel cell car. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Mirai
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MaxxBot posted:Why does no one seem to be seriously directly competing with Tesla? I don't know a lot about cars so maybe I'm just wrong but it doesn't seem like anyone else is trying to do what they're doing. All of the other EVs on the market seem to range from really slow, boring, and ugly to just sort of slow, boring and ugly. I don't even understand what the market is for a vehicle like this other than people who have way too much money and just want to say they have a fuel cell car. Starting over is mostly only viable when starting from scratch, otherwise it gets super expensive.
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MaxxBot posted:All of the other EVs on the market seem to range from really slow, boring, and ugly to just sort of slow, boring and ugly. It doesn't cost any more to make a car that's visually appealing, does it?
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Collateral Damage posted:In that vein, why does every EV or hybrid on the market apart from the Teslas, Lexus hybrids and the i8 have to carry the looks of a low-budget piece of poo poo? I think you mean the Tesla looks like a booring real car, but the Prius and Insight look like space age toys because consumers associate the shape of the Prius with
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The Locator posted:Most people don't keep cars more than 5 years, so it's actually not a terrible decision basis for an individual buyer. Actually, people in the US are now keeping their cars for 11 years on average before replacing them.
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Collateral Damage posted:In that vein, why does every EV or hybrid on the market apart from the Teslas, Lexus hybrids and the i8 have to carry the looks of a low-budget piece of poo poo? I like how my Leaf looks 
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duz posted:I like how my Leaf looks They grow on you for sure.
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MaxxBot posted:Why does no one seem to be seriously directly competing with Tesla? I don't know a lot about cars so maybe I'm just wrong but it doesn't seem like anyone else is trying to do what they're doing. All of the other EVs on the market seem to range from really slow, boring, and ugly to just sort of slow, boring and ugly. I don't even understand what the market is for a vehicle like this other than people who have way too much money and just want to say they have a fuel cell car. Tesla loses money making their cars and is not profitable. Even Tesla itself states that they do not anticipate turning a profit in the next 5 years. Companies that aren't startups can't afford to lose money like that OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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Crotch Fruit posted:I think you mean the Tesla looks like a booring real car, but the Prius and Insight look like space age toys because consumers associate the shape of the Prius with More importantly people like them and buy them. The success of the Prius honestly surprised even Toyota and everyone else has been playing catchup since in that market. It's hard to separate out all the various R&d costs and such, but by most accounts the Prius actually makes money, which is more than most EVs or hybrids can say. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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Collateral Damage posted:In that vein, why does every EV or hybrid on the market apart from the Teslas, Lexus hybrids and the i8 have to carry the looks of a low-budget piece of poo poo? Well it does considering its very expensive to apply all the electric car bits to the cheapest, smallest subcompact they make.
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I've previously seen a white Tesla drive about when commuting, but yesterday I walked past a black one. drat they really are nice looking. I want one. Lucky Norwegians.
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Speaking of Norwegians, I just spent 36 hours in Oslo, and holy hell, so many Teslas. Including two roadsters. I want one.
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ilkhan posted:Maybe they'll add a button "start charging now", but the default option will be to wait for off-peak hours as the providers will be providing cost savings for doing that. Do EVs other than the Leaf not have this? That's how I have mine set up.
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Advent Horizon posted:Do EVs other than the Leaf not have this? That's how I have mine set up. Tesla has it
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Yeah, I can schedule charging on the Zoe if I want to.
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My car and my EVSE both allow scheduled start time and also remote charge starting. I just charge on plug in though because my state has the power of cheap coal. (We offload the cost of acid rain on the East Coast like God intended).
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Advent Horizon posted:Do EVs other than the Leaf not have this? That's how I have mine set up. I'm pretty sure it's only the base model of the Leaf like mine (  ) that don't have a way to schedule the charges. Unless I'm mistaken, the CARWINGS app lets you schedule a time to start charging.
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The Leaf has a charging timer and climate control timer you can access through the dash. I can't imagine it's turned off on the base model.
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Mortanis posted:The Leaf has a charging timer and climate control timer you can access through the dash. I can't imagine it's turned off on the base model. It tells it when to stop charging, not start charging. It's pretty useless. It's up there with "hey wait a minute why does bluetooth audio work fine on a phone call but there's no way to use it to listen to music?" I have an alarm set when the cheapest rates start in my area and then I go out and plug my car in
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That's odd. My 2013 Leaf has a start and stop timer (Just checked to be sure I wasn't crazy). I have mine set for 5PM to 7AM. I do have the SV, but I can't imagine that they actually turn off software features for various models.
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My Volt will schedule charging to off-peak, but it won't start charging, stop for peak hours, and then resume, it'll just wait till the peak hours are over, which is a bit dumb.
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Both the i3 and i8 will do timed charging.
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Mortanis posted:That's odd. My 2013 Leaf has a start and stop timer (Just checked to be sure I wasn't crazy). I have mine set for 5PM to 7AM. I do have the SV, but I can't imagine that they actually turn off software features for various models. Recall also that the base model doesn't have a touch screen stereo. I believe that if you set up a base Leaf with a time to finish charging it will adjust the start time to finish when directed.
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Why are you guys going through the trouble of setting the charging timer? Isn't the electricity cost of an electric car only something like a couple bucks per charge? Does somebody who is willing to pay the premium on buying an electric car really care about a $20 a month or whatever savings due to buying cheaper electricity? silence_kit fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Jul 10, 2015 |
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silence_kit posted:Why are you guys going through the trouble of setting the charging timer? Isn't the electricity cost of an electric car only something like a couple bucks per charge? Well, it's a bit like waiting for Wednesday for gas to drop 10c/liter before filling up, or avoiding filling up at highway service stations. Even people who use premium or drive luxury cars do that.
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Linedance posted:Well, it's a bit like waiting for Wednesday for gas to drop 10c/liter before filling up, or avoiding filling up at highway service stations. Even people who use premium or drive luxury cars do that. Except that the car does it automatically for you, so why not?
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silence_kit posted:Why are you guys going through the trouble of setting the charging timer? Isn't the electricity cost of an electric car only something like a couple bucks per charge? Just because someone owns a relatively expensive car doesn't mean that they won't take steps to avoid needlessly wasting money. How do you think they became relatively wealthy in the first place?
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silence_kit posted:Why are you guys going through the trouble of setting the charging timer? Isn't the electricity cost of an electric car only something like a couple bucks per charge? .... As I was saying earlier....
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Mange Mite posted:Tesla loses money making their cars and is not profitable. Even Tesla itself states that they do not anticipate turning a profit in the next 5 years. Companies that aren't startups can't afford to lose money like that Isn't that mostly because all their revenue gets reinvested towards the goal of making cars that commoners like us can afford (such as with the $5 billion battery plant)?
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Cockmaster posted:Isn't that mostly because all their revenue gets reinvested towards the goal of making cars that commoners like us can afford (such as with the $5 billion battery plant)? Here's my problem with Tesla, they keep getting grants and tax breaks because the Model 3 is coming any day now! However it always seems to be just a year or two out, first it was 2016, then 2017 and now production should start in 2018. Not only that but I have no faith that the car won't start at $60,000 with higher end models going up to a few thousand less than the Model S since Tesla loves to give pricing with government incentives and "fuel savings" factored in. That said, I hope I am wrong, I really do; I hope they release the Model 3 at $35,000 sticker and I hope it's a huge success.
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As a reminder, when there are more than 250,000 PEVs sold in a calendar year in the U.S., the $7,500 tax credit evaporates, and stays gone.
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I'd bet that magically the EV's on sale have special dealer discounts applied, then the prices are quietly dropped to counter it.
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