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OMG JC a Bomb! posted:Okay, here you go I guess. ... That's not a false flag attack. She's making a thread for all the abuse to go into, you goofus. And then saying 'Hey, jerks, knock yourself out'. She's being sassy, not faking an attack on herself.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:I'm making a lot of posts because I'm trying to understand. Nah, I just hate the far left. With a vitriol you can't imagine. And I consider myself liberal. Zoe, Wu, and Anita are seen as paragons by the MSM, and as such have had multiple unwarranted opportunities to be on national TV spewing their nonsense. Thankfully none recently. Their time has passed--well, maybe not Anita's--and it's really only here that I am seeing them discussed ad nauseum. /r/KotakuinAction hasn't mentioned Zoe in months. Nor Wu. Anita, however, pops up every now and again for the utter ridiculousness of what she says (see pixelated mess as the best example of a feminist heroine or Witcher 3 being set in medieval Poland and being racist for having no black people). Wu never left her house, that bomb threat against Anita was never credible, Zoe incited an online mob to attack a safe space for 30+ year old virgins with a false flag attack. They all profited off this manufactured outrage and the MSM ate it up. Not necessarily because MSM believed them but because they knew this bullshit would sell. Watch this video if you haven't already. And understand that it is sensationalist nonsense and possibly one of the most downvoted videos in Youtube history. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAyncf3DBUQ Pandemonium fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Jul 9, 2015 |
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Wanderer posted:Is there a chance that there could be at least a temporary moratorium on talking about Quinn, Wu, and Sarkeesian? If we stopped talking about the hateful and misogynist attacks on Quinn, Wu, and Sarkeesian, I think by default we would also stop talking about Gamergate. Pandemonium posted:Nah, I just hate the far left. With a vitriol you can't imagine. And I consider myself liberal. Zoe, Wu, and Anita are seen as paragons by the MSM, and as such have had multiple unwarranted opportunities to be on national TV spewing their nonsense. Thankfully none recently. There time has passed--well, maybe not Anita's--and it's really only here that I am seeing them discussed ad nauseum. /r/KotakuinAction hasn't mentioned Zoe in months. Nor Wu. Anita, however, pops up every now and again for the utter ridiculousness of what she says (see pixelated mess as the best example of a feminist heroine or Witcher 3 being set in medieval Poland and being racist for having no black people). Wu never left her house, that bomb threat against Anita was never credible, Zoe incited an online mob to attack a safe space for 30+ year old virgins with a false flag attack. They all profited off this manufactured outrage and the MSM ate it up. Not necessarily because MSM believed them but because they knew this bullshit would sell. I don't see how anyone is supposed to take you seriously after you admit to having a blind, irrational hatred. I think many people in this thread percieve you accurately, as a hate-filled and twisted soul. The fact that your arguments are in lockstep with the conspiratorial nonsense that constitutes most of Gamergate just demonstrates that both the movement itself and its many adherents are simply deranged.
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OMG JC a Bomb! posted:Okay, here you go I guess. I dunno if you are incapable of seeing the joke here or what, but she literally set this thread up to give the people listed in the post a place to talk about her because she knew they were coming. Edit: Also she says "noted" feminist. Did you not even read the picture before posting it?
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Dominic White posted:Oh, and just to top it off: Brianna Wu isn't a games journalist either. She runs a small, all-female indie studio that makes story-driven mobile games aimed at women. She made herself a target for pity money and publicity. It's not that hard to understand, really. Why do you insist on advocating for such terrible human beings?
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Pandemonium posted:Nah, I just hate the far left. With a vitriol you can't imagine. And I consider myself liberal. your a dweeb (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Pandemonium posted:She made herself a target for pity money and publicity. It's not that hard to understand, really. Why do you insist on advocating for such terrible human beings? He's been arguing against GamerGate. You really are confused.
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Pandemonium posted:She made herself a target for pity money and publicity. It's not that hard to understand, really. Why do you insist on advocating for such terrible human beings? They're not terrible at all. They're just targets for a pathetic collective hate mob called Gamergate, which claims to care about ethics but has accomplished nothing but harassing women.
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Obdicut posted:Pandemonium, OMG JC, you really don't realize how creepy you seem, do you? No, it isn't. It's a smug dismissal tactic that you've employed a million times throughout this thread. The only reason I know about any of this is because I read and enjoyed Hellthread and the hilarious internet drama soap opera that powered it. Since nearly no one else in this thread read that one, it's only natural that only a few people know the backstory behind this debacle.
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Serf posted:You see, if enough sins can be dug up on these women, that will retroactively justify all the criticism* they've faced. They have literally profited off this harassment. If you don't think so, you are willfully closing your eyes, plugging your eyes, and going "nenner nenner nenner".
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Pandemonium posted:She made herself a target for pity money and publicity. It's not that hard to understand, really. Why do you insist on advocating for such terrible human beings? WHY WONT YOU JUST LET US BURN THE WITCH
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Pandemonium posted:Watch this video if you haven't already. And understand that it is sensationalist nonsense and possibly one of the most downvoted videos in Youtube history. Edit- oh that was just GTA. They did make a videogame about beating the poo poo out of her though.
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Pandemonium posted:They have literally profited off this harassment. If you don't think so, you are willfully closing your eyes, plugging your eyes, and going "nenner nenner nenner". I mean if people can be compensated in exchange for getting harassed and threatened with death, that only begins to make up for their pain.
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Pandemonium posted:They have literally profited off this harassment. If you don't think so, you are willfully closing your eyes, plugging your eyes, and going "nenner nenner nenner". Aren't the harassers to blame for helping her profit? If Quinn is so bad, why do you keep putting money in her pockets? It doesn't make any sense at all and it has nothing to do with ethics or games journalism.
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Dominic White posted:Oh my, she made fun of the sexist hate-mob. Clearly she was just asking for it. You made it sound like they picked her because she was a female developer. This wasn't the case. Popular Thug Drink posted:So? People are allowed to have opinions on the internet. I've mocked people with lovely memes before, but nobody's ever called me in the middle of the night and accused me of murdering my pets. This is the kind of behavior that makes it evident that Gamergate is just a collection of delusional and hateful shutins. I'm not saying it is right or a justifiable response. And of course it isn't. I'm just saying why the response happened, it wasn't random. Slanderer posted:Just to provide sources--the 2 interviews I recall were with Buzzfeed and Boston Magazine Jesus loving christ. And people gave this guy money. He needs to get a good therapist. I'd say get laid, but that clearly isn't helping. He should get psychotropics and shut up about Zoe Quinn because he is clearly is not over her.
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Pandemonium posted:Watch this video if you haven't already. And understand that it is sensationalist nonsense and possibly one of the most downvoted videos in Youtube history. Be still my beating heart, the most downvoted video in Youtube history?!?!? 
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Dapper Dan posted:I'm not saying it is right or a justifiable response. And of course it isn't. I'm just saying why the response happened, it wasn't random. It might as well be random. Many many people have mocked Gamergate, but the only prominent targets of Gamergate are a handful of women. As far as I'm aware, Sarkeesian never even provoked Gamergaters directly except by existing and making her videos. That's pretty telling to me that the whole 'ethics' argument is just an excuse for internet virgins and other assorted oddballs to publicly vent about women behind the flimsiest of excuses.
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Dominic White posted:... That's not a false flag attack. She's making a thread for all the abuse to go into, you goofus. And then saying 'Hey, jerks, knock yourself out'. Maybe the solution to abuse isn't to say "Hey, I've made a forum for you to abuse me. Please do it!" Serf posted:Also she says "noted" feminist. Did you not even read the picture before posting it? Oh no, in my haste I misquoted the screenshot using a word that is functionally similar to the one on the screenshot. Or did I? Maybe this is a part of the conspiracy to force women to stop making video games forever! drat, foiled again! Time to start shredding those secret internal documents.
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Hulk Krogan posted:Hahahaha this is some THE SHOT CAME FROM THE GRASSY KNOLL Zapruder film-level poo poo. Except this has been proven. Like irrefutably proven. I'm pretty sure Wu even admitted to it! (Source needed.) Nice try dismissing it, though.
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Pandemonium posted:Except this has been proven. Like irrefutably proven. I'm pretty sure Wu even admitted to it! (Source needed.) Nice try dismissing it, though. It hasn't been proven at all. None of the allegations Gamergaters have made against these women have turned out to be even partially true.
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Pandemonium posted:Except this has been proven. Like irrefutably proven. I'm pretty sure Wu even admitted to it! (Source needed.) Nice try dismissing it, though. You keep saying things like this and we should... just believe you? I think you are just making this up.
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No you see, forums poster Pandemonium assures me that the GG Internet Video Forensics Division has top men working on it. Top. Men.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:It hasn't been proven at all. By GamerGate standards of proof, it has. Here's how it goes. Person posts a claim. Someone else repeats the claim. Someone else repeats the claim, and uses the second post as confirmation. This is now established as fact.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:If we stopped talking about the hateful and misogynist attacks on Quinn, Wu, and Sarkeesian, I think by default we would also stop talking about Gamergate. I'm kind of curious what would be left over, yeah. There's a shred of useful discussion to be had within its context; there's been a discussion going on about the oddly close relationship between developers and critics for at least the last ten years that I know of, because games journalism almost requires you to live in urban California while also not paying very well. I started writing about games in 2003 and pretty much everyone I know from that period is now working in games development or marketing, including me, because you can't live with five roommates with a two-room San Francisco apartment for your whole loving life. In the age of Patreon, Kickstarter, and other crowd-funding options, it would be a genuine boon to the larger community to have a fully independent critical body that can actually afford to pay its writers. The problem then becomes that Gamergate, as a movement, has repeatedly shown itself incapable of that kind of insight, and if it did take me up on that offer, any idiot who actually tried writing for them would get torn apart within a week for "bias."
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OMG JC a Bomb! posted:Oh no, in my haste I misquoted the screenshot using a word that is functionally similar to the one on the screenshot. Or did I? Maybe this is a part of the conspiracy to force women to stop making video games forever! drat, foiled again! Time to start shredding those secret internal documents. I believe that in this context "noted" would mean "is known to be" whereas "notable" would mean "is important" which carries a connotation of arrogance absent from just using "noted."
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Popular Thug Drink posted:If we stopped talking about the hateful and misogynist attacks on Quinn, Wu, and Sarkeesian, I think by default we would also stop talking about Gamergate. With the exception of the Robin Williams bit, not one shred of substantive evidence has been given that what I've brought up is wrong or false. All that has been offered is hand-waving, dismissal, and ad hominen nonsense. The only reason I posted the first time in this thread was because I was tired of reading you idiots go back and forth on and on for pages about Zoe and her sex life. I've made a handful of posts in an hour or two in this thread. You've been posting here since day one. Methinks you need to be gazing at your own involvement more than mine. How many hours have you invested in this single thread? Ballpark it.
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Pandemonium posted:With the exception of the Robin Williams bit, not one shred of substantive evidence has been given that what I've brought up is wrong or false. All that has been offered is hand-waving, dismissal, and ad hominen nonsense. The only reason I posted the first time in this thread was because I was tired of reading you idiots go back and forth on and on for pages about Zoe and her sex life. We're still not entirely sure what Zoe Quinn decided to do to the Wizards. It must have been terribly bad, they did square off against the Dark Lord himself and come out OK, so god knows what this woman is capable of.
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Pandemonium posted:With the exception of the Robin Williams bit, not one shred of substantive evidence has been given that what I've brought up is wrong or false. All that has been offered is hand-waving, dismissal, and ad hominen nonsense. The only reason I posted the first time in this thread was because I was tired of reading you idiots go back and forth on and on for pages about Zoe and her sex life. This is not how adults argue. If you make an allegation, you need to provide substantiation. Attacking your opponents for failing to do your work for you is both lazy and immature. It also seems to be a hallmark of Gamergate, as what substantiation they do bother to provide are often scribbled lines on a screenshot and wild leaps to unsupportable conclusions. And even then, I don't see what any of the attacks against these women has to do at all with video games journalism.
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Nevvy Z posted:You keep saying things like this and we should... just believe you? I think you are just making this up. Listen and believe
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Wanderer posted:In the age of Patreon, Kickstarter, and other crowd-funding options, it would be a genuine boon to the larger community to have a fully independent critical body that can actually afford to pay its writers. The problem then becomes that Gamergate, as a movement, has repeatedly shown itself incapable of that kind of insight, and if it did take me up on that offer, any idiot who actually tried writing for them would get torn apart within a week for "bias." It's a shame because that really is fertile ground for a lot of interesting writing. It's part of why I find Gamergate frustrating because while I don't think such a thing would appear out of thin air overnight, I do feel like something like GG poisons the well for the actual reform and improvements I'd genuinely enjoy seeing.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:They're not terrible at all. They're just targets for a pathetic collective hate mob called Gamergate, which claims to care about ethics but has accomplished nothing but harassing women. Please look at the disclaimer notices on most major gaming sites these days. Those are a direct result of Gamergate. The movement is nebulous as hell and you can continue to enjoy making your snide sarcastic little comments about "it's actually about ethics" all you want with respect to how Gamergate has focused a lot of time and energy on these three women (not all women in gaming, please note), but you are clearly betraying your ignorance if you think it has accomplished nothing with respect to video game journalism ethics.
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Pandemonium posted:Nah, I just hate the far left. With a vitriol you can't imagine. And I consider myself liberal. Zoe, Wu, and Anita are seen as paragons by the MSM, and as such have had multiple unwarranted opportunities to be on national TV spewing their nonsense. Thankfully none recently. Their time has passed--well, maybe not Anita's--and it's really only here that I am seeing them discussed ad nauseum. /r/KotakuinAction hasn't mentioned Zoe in months. Nor Wu. Anita, however, pops up every now and again for the utter ridiculousness of what she says (see pixelated mess as the best example of a feminist heroine or Witcher 3 being set in medieval Poland and being racist for having no black people). Wu never left her house, that bomb threat against Anita was never credible, Zoe incited an online mob to attack a safe space for 30+ year old virgins with a false flag attack. They all profited off this manufactured outrage and the MSM ate it up. Not necessarily because MSM believed them but because they knew this bullshit would sell. Seriously though, source your quotes.
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Pandemonium posted:Please look at the disclaimer notices on most major gaming sites these days. Those are a direct result of Gamergate. The movement is nebulous as hell and you can continue to enjoy making your snide sarcastic little comments about "it's actually about ethics" all you want with respect to how Gamergate has focused a lot of time and energy on these three women (not all women in gaming, please note), but you are clearly betraying your ignorance if you think it has accomplished nothing with respect to video game journalism ethics. What disclaimer?
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OMG JC a Bomb! posted:No, it isn't. It's a smug dismissal tactic that you've employed a million times throughout this thread. It's really not. I've used this 'dismissal tactic' with you because you clearly have a huge chip on your shoulder to Sarkeesian that leads you into very, very weird attacks on her. In addition, doing this "Oh, I don't really care" thing, that you're just here to laugh, and then really earnestly arguing that Sarkeesian is a bad person who is scamming people does not actually seem reasonable. Are you really reading Pandemonium's posts and nodding and going, "Right on, dude"? Wanderer posted:I'm kind of curious what would be left over, yeah. I think the way people have responded to the sorry state of games journalism in general has been fine--I'm not talking about GGers, but ordinary people, who read reviews, filter for hype, listen to word of mouth, etc. Steam's new policy of allowing people to return games if they've only played a few hours of it and don't like it is probably more of a boon than any amount of games journalism could really be. I do think you're right that they think that they want someone 'objective' to write about games, but there is no possible way to be objective about games, something inherently subjective. Even whether or not graphics look good is in the end a subjective stance.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:It might as well be random. Many many people have mocked Gamergate, but the only prominent targets of Gamergate are a handful of women. As far as I'm aware, Sarkeesian never even provoked Gamergaters directly except by existing and making her videos. That's pretty telling to me that the whole 'ethics' argument is just an excuse for internet virgins and other assorted oddballs to publicly vent about women behind the flimsiest of excuses. Like I said before, it is all about who the journalists like and who they don't. Sarkessian provoked them by being a darling to the gaming media.
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Serf posted:I believe that in this context "noted" would mean "is known to be" whereas "notable" would mean "is important" which carries a connotation of arrogance absent from just using "noted." Wow, I expected some pedantry, but that's just impressive. Since we're playing this game, let's look it up. Google says: quote:not·ed And "notable." quote:no·ta·ble Functionally the same, and both imply an air of self-importance. Which doesn't really come as a surprise coming from someone who refers to themselves as "The Godzilla of Feminists."
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Wanderer posted:I'm kind of curious what would be left over, yeah. Independent of what? What would a fully independent critical body like this look like? Do you mean not advertising for games they review? Or just critique on the actual business and labor side of games?
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OMG JC a Bomb! posted:Maybe the solution to abuse isn't to say "Hey, I've made a forum for you to abuse me. Please do it!" If you don't give them a forum for calling you a bitch (by disabling youtube comments, for instance) you are censoring your critics and deserve to be attacked This is an argument that has been made, a lot
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Dapper Dan posted:Like I said before, it is all about who the journalists like and who they don't. Sarkessian provoked them by being a darling to the gaming media. The only reason she was a darling was because she was attacked. It's a huge feedback loop.
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