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There are lots of articles on the Paradox forums and some on the wiki too; the best way to learn is to just start doing stuff. Find a mod that does a thing you like, look at what they did to do that thing, copy it/ tinker with it etc and go on from there. It's insanely easy.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Yes but I was referring to instances where the United States itself was attacked, not just US forces. The pretext for the US entry into WWI was Germany inviting Mexico to invade the Southern US with the Zimmerman Telegram, so that's sort of a preemptive example.
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Jul 9, 2015 06:41
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unicr0n posted:I'm playing as Australia, sitting at Rank 8, struggling to get much higher than that against the likes of Germany, UK, France, US, China etc. All the current major coal producers are way to big for me to go toe-to-toe with. I am slowing sphereing / conquering South America in search of Coal and Iron however. There's unfortunately not much coal or iron in South America in vanilla. I'm not sure if NNM changed this (probably not).
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Jul 9, 2015 06:58
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Drone posted:There's unfortunately not much coal or iron in South America in vanilla. I'm not sure if NNM changed this (probably not). There isn't. He's much better off going around Africa/SE Asia and trying to get whatever is left. Possibly invade Japan.
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Jul 9, 2015 11:16
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Yeah, Latin America is an industrial wasteland. Coal producing regions in the east are Korea and China, I think? And that one giant coal pit in Jharkhand which is responsible for like 70% of world coal production in 1836. I don't know about Japan, but historically it was never mineral rich. The Niger Delta has coal/iron, I think, if Africa's still open. KOGAHAZAN!! fucked around with this message at 11:25 on Jul 9, 2015 |
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Jul 9, 2015 11:22
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Well this is only my 3rd or 4th game of Vic2 ever. Tried maybe twice as Brazil and one USA game. Figured I'd try a game as Australia after realising I could start as the UK and release them. I control most of Borneo and parts of Siam and Indonesia (Bali) but after most of SE Asia started to ally China I opted for sphering rather than conquest. After a war to take some of Chile my infamy hit 22 so I went again with a sphering option in South America also. I think I've learned a bit from this game though, such as being ready to colonise in 1870 rather than getting the research done and then realising I had no real colonial power and having to scramble to build naval bases and ships. Still don't quite get politics, I focussed on making my people more Liberal (as it seemed like a good idea) but then once a Liberal party was voted in I lost control over my factories and the aristocrats have just run the economy into the ground while continuing to build factories that require resources we dont have while refusing to increase the level of our most successful factories.
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Jul 9, 2015 11:37
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I still have no idea what the capi AI thinks it's doing. It'll try to build car and plane factories en masse when there isn't a single electric gear factory in the entire world. You can't even build a car factory without electric gear, let alone run one. And then there's its fetish for cement factories when the world is massively oversupplied on cement...
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Jul 9, 2015 11:50
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Autonomous Monster posted:I still have no idea what the capi AI thinks it's doing. It'll try to build car and plane factories en masse when there isn't a single electric gear factory in the entire world. You can't even build a car factory without electric gear, let alone run one. And then there's its fetish for cement factories when the world is massively oversupplied on cement... The problem is it probably sees "Oh there's a huge demand for cars/planes!" without making the leap that maybe the demand is so high because thanks to the lack of electric gears NOBODY CAN MAKE ANY. I'm not entirely sure how the AI decides to build factories but it definitely seems that it doesn't really understand supply chains or the relative scarcity of different products.
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Jul 9, 2015 12:09
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unicr0n posted:Still don't quite get politics, I focussed on making my people more Liberal (as it seemed like a good idea) but then once a Liberal party was voted in I lost control over my factories and the aristocrats have just run the economy into the ground while continuing to build factories that require resources we dont have while refusing to increase the level of our most successful factories. Liberals are only "good" when you already have a well-developed economy. And even then they're still poo poo, Laissez Faire is by far the worst economic system in game. In like 95% of my games, I stay with a conservative party until around the time I build up an industrial base (around 1870ish usually if I'm playing a developing country like Brazil), then I switch to socialists. State Capitalism is really the best form in the game, since it lets you build factories manually as well as have capitalists off doing their own thing occasionally too. The capitalist AI is ridiculously stupid. Laissez Faire would be much less bad if the capitalist AI behaved more rationally.
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Jul 9, 2015 12:48
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Drone posted:The capitalist AI is ridiculously stupid. Laissez Faire would be much less bad if the capitalist AI behaved more rationally. On the other hand, Victoria 2 is also very realistic in this respect. Seize the means of production, comrade.
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Jul 9, 2015 12:58
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Is AI modding a possibility?
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Jul 9, 2015 13:10
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Gort posted:Is AI modding a possibility? AI modding has never been a possibility in Paradox games. Well, apart from HOI3. Sometimes you can manipulate it with missions/ai_will_do clauses, but 99% of it is locked up in the .exe
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Jul 9, 2015 13:44
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zedprime posted:Not to add anything anyone has mentioned except to drop my own awful metaphor but the War of 1812, the Barbary War, Mexican-American war, Spanish, American War, and WW1 should have all been examples to Japan that the US is a lot like a cat being poked that will just sort of glare at you until it sinks its claws into your arm and bites your knuckles. I disagree. During The War of 1812 the United States was really the aggressor, and more or less lost, even though England had more important things going on in Europe. Ultimately, the peace was really close to status quo, which for Japan would have been a tremendous success in WWII. The Barbary War was pretty "meh" in the grand scheme of things, and the Spanish American War completely one sided. As for WWI, the United States involvement was slightly over a year, and compared to the bleeding of Europe, the U.S. came out pretty well off. So as far as Japan can see in 1941, in the last 50 years (the War of 1812, Mexico, and Barbary war were really too far past to be useful examples), American wars had been pretty short and one sided. From the Japanese perspective, it wouldn't be clear that the U.S. would have the stomach for a long war, or a war that was one sided (at least for the 1st year) in the favor of Japan. gradenko_2000 posted:The pretext for the US entry into WWI was Germany inviting Mexico to invade the Southern US with the Zimmerman Telegram, so that's sort of a preemptive example. My impression of the Zimmerman Telegram has always been that it was an invitation to alliance in the event the U.S. entered the war, not an immediate offer of alliance and request that Mexico immediately invade the U.S. Unfortunately for the Kaiser, it ended up being the very thing that brought the U.S. Into the war. ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 14:20 on Jul 9, 2015 |
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Jul 9, 2015 14:11
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The thing about the US was it had very much the same sort of image Japan did before Japan went and beat Russia in the Russo Japanese war - basically nothing really worth paying attention to on the world stage. At least as far as the traditional factors of being "worthy of attention" in the era went (empire building, mostly). Some of the European powers kind of knew they were a "sleeping giant", but that hadn't really been demonstrated in a highly visible way until WW2. Japan probably knew that the US had a lot of industrial power, but figured they hadn't mobilized that industry the same way the other nations had where they'd essentially been building up for war the entire decade prior. What they underestimated was how quickly the US COULD redirect that industrial output towards the military, and how much of it already was already set up for that - they were already building guns and tanks and stuff, they were just selling them to the allies rather than keeping them.ZombieLenin posted:My impression of the Zimmerman Telegram has always been that it was an invitation to alliance in the event the U.S. entered the war, not an immediate offer of alliance and request that Mexico immediately invade the U.S. That's probably what it was, but the thing is that it was originally discovered by the British and then presented to the Americans, and they very much wanted the US to believe it was a German plan to co-invade the US with Mexico. So it wasn't really an accident that it might have been misinterpreted. The Cheshire Cat fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Jul 9, 2015 |
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Jul 9, 2015 14:23
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From what I understood, the Mexican-American War and the Spanish-American War were basically America spoiling for any excuse for a fight anyways so's to take juicy territories. The Mexican "attack" on America was against a military patrol sent pretty deliberately into disputed territory, and yellow journalists were hyping up Spain as an evil empire whose colonies America had a duty to take over and protect well before the Maine.
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Jul 9, 2015 14:55
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The Cheshire Cat posted:That's probably what it was, but the thing is that it was originally discovered by the British and then presented to the Americans, and they very much wanted the US to believe it was a German plan to co-invade the US with Mexico. So it wasn't really an accident that it might have been misinterpreted. Doesn't help that the Germans straight up admitted it.
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Jul 9, 2015 14:56
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Back To 99 posted:Doesn't help that the Germans straight up admitted it.
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Jul 9, 2015 17:05
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Back To 99 posted:Doesn't help that the Germans straight up admitted it. Again, only in the event the U.S. Entered the war after the German resumption of unrestricted submarine warfare--incidentally on February 1st 1917.
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Jul 9, 2015 20:20
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Diplomacy wasn't one of their NI's.
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Jul 10, 2015 01:43
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ZombieLenin posted:
I tHink you can take it a step farther in that American civil and military leadership didn't think the public had the stomach for a protracted war in the south Pacific which at least partially went into the decision making behind the island hopping campaign and dropping the a- bomb
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Jul 10, 2015 03:40
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Tomn posted:From what I understood, the Mexican-American War and the Spanish-American War were basically America spoiling for any excuse for a fight anyways so's to take juicy territories. The Mexican "attack" on America was against a military patrol sent pretty deliberately into disputed territory, and yellow journalists were hyping up Spain as an evil empire whose colonies America had a duty to take over and protect well before the Maine. The Spanish-American War was kind of an odd case in that the general public was more hawkish than the government, and the government was more or less forced to bow to public opinion.
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Jul 10, 2015 03:57
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Pakled posted:The Spanish-American War was kind of an odd case in that the general public was more hawkish than the government, and the government was more or less forced to bow to public opinion. I'm sceptical.
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Jul 10, 2015 08:14
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The US had always had designs on Cuba (Which was de facto annexed after the war, instead of literally annexed like Puerto Rico and the Philippines), and with Spanish rule about to collapse because of the native independence movement, it suddenly became necessary to "liberate" them.
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Jul 10, 2015 08:20
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Enjoy posted:I'm sceptical.
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Jul 10, 2015 12:25
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zedprime posted:However McKinley was a pacifist And I'm a vegetarian between meals
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Jul 10, 2015 13:23
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Bort Bortles posted:Is a simple aerial (and 4 suicide subs The entire west coast? For the love of God, how?
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Jul 10, 2015 18:53
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) attack on a naval base in the middle of the pacific that much of a 'gamble', though? I've read that some people theorized that the Japanese could have bagged the whole west coast if they had prepared properly and invaded. I personally doubt that they could have managed to pull that much of a fast-one on Roosevelt and there is no real point in speculating, but Riso has a point: they had ~6 months free reign after Pearl Harbor....what if they took it? I do think that if they were serious about trying to win quickly or decisively, they would have needed to invade and take Hawaii and sank more boats and been more aggressive.
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David Corbett posted:The entire west coast? For the love of God, how? Robots!  Accurate depiction of glorious Nippon's might.
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Jul 10, 2015 19:10
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Giant robots is probably more realistic then Japan seizing the west coast. My understanding is that even attempting a landing on Hawaii would have either been beyond their actual real-world logistical capabilities, or stretching them to such a degree that they would have had to cancel invading the Philippines, Dutch East Indies, etc. A Hawaiian invasion probably still would have failed because they wouldn't have been able to keep the huge landing forces needed supplied from so far away.
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Jul 10, 2015 20:26
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See, the real reason to drop two atom bombs on Japan was to destroy their robots because the US had none at that time and needed to even the odds.
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Jul 10, 2015 20:40
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Fintilgin posted:Giant robots is probably more realistic then Japan seizing the west coast. Japan had probably not been able to take the midway islands even if they had won the battle of Midway, there's a pretty good analysis in the appendix of shattered sword.
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Jul 10, 2015 20:43
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To bring this back to Paradox, has anyone ever been able to invade the mainland US as Japan in HOI? Comedy option: in earlier games?
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Jul 10, 2015 21:07
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It's actually pathetically easy to invade the USA as long as you invade Hawaii (to base from) with the War Declaration. And if you can do the Pearl Harbour Event, at least in Darkest Hour, then your fleet has to be sitting off the coast anyway, so may as well. I've had a fair bit of success overrunning the West Coast before you get bogged down in an American equivalent of China except this one out produces you in everything.
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Jul 10, 2015 21:10
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David Corbett posted:The entire west coast? For the love of God, how?  Westminster System posted:It's actually pathetically easy to invade the USA as long as you invade Hawaii (to base from) with the War Declaration.
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Jul 10, 2015 21:14
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I recall it being pretty trivial to take the '36 Japanese Army over to California via Hawaii and take the whole of the states within a year or two. The US starts with a tiny army. e: in HOI2, at least.
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Jul 11, 2015 00:10
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Yeah, at least in Darkest Hour, if you're no longer bogged down in China, it is really easy to take over Hawaii and from there jump to the west coast and burn the USA (and Canada!) to the ground before it has a real army. When I did it I was reaching the Appalachians by the time I met real resistance and by then there wasn't much they could do.
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Jul 11, 2015 00:37
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I finally started to really dig into EU4, and I've been basically addicted for the past 3-4 days. The custom nation builder is great, and I hope they borrow/improve on it more for HoI-4. I seem to be hitting a weird bug where Spain at some point just broke. They don't seem to be producing any troop, basically their biggest colony went independent (and is really chewing away at the Caribbean and America through Louisiana/Mississippi), and I can't figure out what they're up to. I kind of hope/suspect Portugal will eventually just take them over.
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Jul 11, 2015 01:05
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:I finally started to really dig into EU4, and I've been basically addicted for the past 3-4 days. The custom nation builder is great, and I hope they borrow/improve on it more for HoI-4. Are you on the beta patch? Also head on over to the eu4 thread for eu4 goodness. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3725024&pagenumber=85#lastpost
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Jul 11, 2015 01:06
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Baronjutter posted:Are you on the beta patch? Also head on over to the eu4 thread for eu4 goodness. Yeah I'll start digging though the eu4 thread this weekend now that I'm into it  I'm pretty sure I'm on 1.12, but it'd be whatever steam defaults to?
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Jul 11, 2015 01:07
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Bort Bortles posted:I've thought about it more because it is an absurd notion, so I called the guy who told me that. He clarified and said "had they been logistically able" to invade, the US armed forces were so poorly prepared for war on our soil, or something to that effect. So something I heard from an old history teacher 15 years ago then read a little bit out of some old book that I posted about started this whole discussion. Ahh, ok. So it's kind of like "the Germans could have beaten the Soviets if they started Barbarossa with five more fully manned army groups, and also the Texas oilfields went looking for some mountain air and moved in under Bavaria. Also Sealion would have been really easy if a wizard filled in the English Channel as a prank."
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I actually devised a strategy for a speedrun of a SNES game called PTO II which involved sailing the entire US fleet with several embarked divisions right up to Tokyo Bay and Kure harbor during November 41 for when the Japanese declare war and immediately invading. Unfortunately the speedrun was entirely based on luck and boring as gently caress to play out because each run still took hours due to the SNES load times.
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