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NutritiousSnack posted:He WROTE ARTICLES about this. It's a literal Salon article he wrote, not something on a twitter timeline three years ago. He wrote opinion articles. He is not a journalist. So once again: Slanderer posted:Tell me how Arthur Chu ruined your life, and also how he's related to ethics in video games journalism.
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Slanderer posted:He wrote opinion articles. He is not a journalist. So once again: Quit Stalking people for GamerGate! Oh wait, you didn't and he wrote articles about this stupid rear end poo poo on website that semi taken seriously? Uh, hold on a minute...oh okay, he's not a journalist. NutritiousSnack fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Jul 9, 2015 |
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Slanderer posted:He wrote opinion articles. He is not a journalist. So once again: What is a journalist? And why should only they be ethical? The meme is obviously using the term journalism colloquially and not rigorously and writing articles for Salon obviously falls within the colloquial definition.
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Jul 9, 2015 20:33
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Fluo posted:You see the blocklist that the ex meth-head, IRS enemy, paedophile runs, has blocked such people as KFC, the Pope and Obama for being problematic. Now within this blocklist you have indie developers or writers like Burch who agrees with Harpers views of anyone on the list not being allowed to be employed in the games industry. So you have this group of people pro-actively stopping people from getting a job. Which is illegal in Europe. It is why when the construction industry in the 80s and 90s had a blacklist of anyone in construction who was thought to be involved with trade unions was default binned if ever looking for employment again in the construction industry. Have a fresh and tasty article http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/mar/27/mps-slam-construction-firms-over-compensation-for-blacklisted-workers Would be nice if you actually had any sort of evidence, all this reads as is childish name calling. How is Harper a "ex meth head, IRS enemy" and "Paedophile"? I really hope one day Randi, Anita, etc takes people like you and puts your rear end in court for slander, because these accusations would be dismissed.
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Fluo posted:*both sides are poo poo* holy moly no!!! only one side is poo poo this is no mud wrestle with a pig So GamerGate can do no wrong?
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:I'm sorry, my post was unclear. What I should have said was that 'That this is a good thing for consumers/Gamergate is based on the underlying assumption that the best interests of the corporations and the consumers are aligned, which is in no way true." David Auberbach is anti GamerGate, he's just subtle about it and not a raging hypocrite who will defend Gawker to own internet nerds.
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circ dick soleil posted:I think that McCarthy-era industry wide blacklists are different from a Twitter blocklist for a lot of obvious reasons that you are probably aware of. The mannerisms are not entirely divorced but yes- this is MUCH milder. That's great. The GG scare is mostly a nuisance barring a few rare and unpleasant cases. I would like to comment on how all of this revolves around the terrible harassment taking place. People being assholes on the internet existed before GamerGate, it's just now entirely too many people believe they can punish these assholes by flailing blindly at anyone who used a hashtag or listens to people those horrible hashtag users seem to like as well. Which is absolutely wonderful for that portion of these assholes on their side! Now they can be assholes on the internet but because they are on the 'right side' it's AOK! Conversely there are still no doubt plenty of people who think for some reason their next horrible dribbled-out hollow death threat is going to make the situation better. Calling it ugly, stupid and bad is great- holding it up as something to be scared of... is not. They are ugly words, but still just words. If even a quarter of the threats in the list of hostile tweets Sarkeesian compiled were in fact serious and valid- we would be watching tense broadcasts as police struggled to ward off the gang of misogynistic vermin putting her house under siege. Mock the harassers! Hold them up to the light! But if you hold them up as terrible bogeymen who are going to ruin the life of any woman bold enough to say things about video games, you are doing them a far greater service than you are women. Hating them is not terribly productive either, subjecting them to the same hollow threats and internet toughguyery? Pointless. Especially when they're more likely than not just trolls enjoying the reaction. Worse, when you stupidly subject people you simply disagree with to such abuse, lame as it may be, you are functionally no different than every last one of those dipshites harassing Anita.
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NutritiousSnack posted:Quit Stalking people for GamerGate! Putting aside the fact that I didn't make the "he's not a journalist" argument- let's grant that he is a journalist. My question stands. What does him watching gay porn or taking Dune way too seriously have to do with his arguments about gaming culture or games journalism? If his arguments are so self-evidently terrible, why is it necessary to twist his words and paint him as somehow pro-rape?
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The Snark posted:The mannerisms are not entirely divorced but yes- this is MUCH milder. That's great. I think that people should be allowed to block whoever they want on Twitter, and this doesn't equate to a McCarthy-era industry blacklist. They're fundamentally different, even.
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The Snark posted:The mannerisms are not entirely divorced but yes- this is MUCH milder. That's great. The GG scare is mostly a nuisance barring a few rare and unpleasant cases. Because it's funny to shut down their twitter accounts with a simple click. If they're idiots like Chuck Johnson, Twitter will do it for everyone.
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You're naive. The issue isn't just that people are receiving death and rape threats and insults, the issue is that receive them in such volumes that they are unable to use Twitter. It is not a question of comfort, it is a question of functionality.
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NutritiousSnack posted:Quit Stalking people for GamerGate! Opinion pieces are by definition opinion.
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Jul 9, 2015 20:41
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Chipp Zanuff posted:Would be nice if you actually had any sort of evidence, all this reads as is childish name calling. Judging by GamerGate, feminist gamers are a cabal of pedophile, rapist, nazi, bar-fighting, arms-dealing con-artists. And this somehow makes them want to campaign for less video game violence and sexualized representation of game characters. Funny, because people usually accuse liberals of being complete milquetoasts. These ladies (and guys) sound like a biker gang.
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NutritiousSnack posted:Quit Stalking people for GamerGate! So, you're mad that he wrote opinion pieces about video game culture in non-video game outlets. What code of journalistic ethics did he violate by not reviewing games, or claiming to present any factual or objective views about games. You're mad that he is getting attention by being published, which is WRONG because he is LYING. This must surely validate the need to dig through his personal life to find a post hoc justification for your irrational anger about a chubby jeopardy man.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:You're naive. The issue isn't just that people are receiving death and rape threats and insults. The issue is that receive them in such volumes that they are unable to use Twitter. It is not a question of comfort, it is a question of functionality. Also, the threats and insults escalating to the point of "doxxing" and people stopping by the harassed individuals' workplaces, with the specific aim of silencing dissent. That ain't exactly the trademark behavior of dudes with strong faith in their ideas' validity.
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Powercrazy posted:What is a journalist? And why should only they be ethical? The meme is obviously using the term journalism colloquially and not rigorously and writing articles for Salon obviously falls within the colloquial definition. Is he reporting any news? Is he giving fact or objective information to readers? No, he's writing loving opinion pieces.
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Slanderer posted:Without the blocklist, twitter is literally unusable if your name is mentioned by GG. This blocklist is not illegal, despite all the GGers crying that this is literally : People who use it to disallow people jobs, It changes from a blocklist to a blacklist.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:You're naive. The issue isn't just that people are receiving death and rape threats and insults, the issue is that receive them in such volumes that they are unable to use Twitter. It is not a question of comfort, it is a question of functionality. Is this true? I'm not sure how Twitter works but if it is I can't see how GamerGate wouldn't be aware of it being the real issue if it was. And knowing all of this, they still compare blocking someone on Twitter to McCarthyism?
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Fluo posted:People who use it to disallow people jobs, It changes from a blocklist to a blacklist. Or, businesses have the right not to hire people who make asses of themselves in public.
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Hulk Krogan posted:What does him watching gay porn or taking Dune way too seriously have to do with his arguments about gaming culture or games journalism? If his arguments are so self-evidently terrible, why is it necessary to twist his words and paint him as somehow pro-rape? The same tactics have been widely and weirdly used in this thread when discussing people from Milo to Summers. As for his arguments, there are boiled down to "GamerGate hashtag has been used to harass people...and therefore it's all bad" and then waxing philosophically about how the game media is becoming more diverse (true) and this is a sign against Gamer Gate (not true)
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Fluo posted:People who use it to disallow people jobs, It changes from a blocklist to a blacklist. Name some of these people who lost their job because of a Twitter blocklist.
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Hulk Krogan posted:Or, businesses have the right not to hire people who make asses of themselves in public. You're giving Harper too much credit. People get on that list for disagreeing with racial segregation.
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NutritiousSnack posted:The same tactics have been widely and weirdly used in this thread when discussing people from Milo to Summers. As for his arguments, there are boiled down to "GamerGate hashtag has been used to harass people...and therefore it's all bad" and then waxing philosophically about how the game media is becoming more diverse (true) and this is a sign against Gamer Gate (not true) It's neither all bad nor all good, it's loving stupid.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:You're naive. The issue isn't just that people are receiving death and rape threats and insults, the issue is that receive them in such volumes that they are unable to use Twitter. It is not a question of comfort, it is a question of functionality. Not just, perhaps. No doubt Twitter needs reworking on a lot of levels. This doesn't change the fact that these idiotic internet tough guys making these threats are not something to be feared, it serves their agendas better than anyone else's to do so.
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Fluo posted:People who use it to disallow people jobs, It changes from a blocklist to a blacklist. A blacklist implies coercion or collusion forcing an entire group or industry to comply. Prove to me that this is happening. Not hiring someone for being on the GG blocklist does not make it a blacklist just like not hiring someone for being on a Tea Party membership list makes that a blacklist.
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Fluo posted:People who use it to disallow people jobs, It changes from a blocklist to a blacklist. If a dude is a public, avowed part of a half-organized Internet movement based around anti-social behavior, harassment, and outright bullying, d'you think that might be sufficient justification to think twice about hiring him or her for a collaborative position in a major media company? Especially when it would only take a little bit more digging to find someone with comparable skills who isn't an rear end in a top hat? Seriously, if you post with the #gamergate tag at this point and you want a job in the games industry, you're playing Russian roulette with a loaded Uzi, especially if you're loving dumb enough to do it on accounts attached to your real name.
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Fluo posted:People who use it to disallow people jobs, It changes from a blocklist to a blacklist. Again: A blacklist is a list of people (not a list of one person) who are banned from a whole industry, usually for political views. If you are an rear end in a top hat of an employee, or if you get your employer sued, you may not be able to find a job in an industry--this is not because you are 'blacklisted'. A 'blacklist' is an actual specific thing with a specific meaning. It does not mean 'any time someone tells other people he know that they shouldn't hire a dude'. Like, no Brietbart writer is going to get hired at any 'liberal' publication; this doesn't mean Breitbart writers are 'blacklisted'. Does this help you understand? Fluo posted:You're giving Harper too much credit. People get on that list for disagreeing with racial segregation. Is this that total misrepresentation about the tweet about segregated classrooms again?
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NutritiousSnack posted:The same tactics have been widely and weirdly used in this thread when discussing people from Milo to Summers. As for his arguments, there are boiled down to "GamerGate hashtag has been used to harass people...and therefore it's all bad" and then waxing philosophically about how the game media is becoming more diverse (true) and this is a sign against Gamer Gate (not true) I think a better way to prove that the #GG was something besides harassment would be to show it actually focusing on ethics in games journalism instead, but that's me.
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Fluo posted:You're giving Harper too much credit. People get on that list for disagreeing with racial segregation. Prove it.
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Slanderer posted:Without the blocklist, twitter is literally unusable if your name is mentioned by GG. This blocklist is not illegal, despite all the GGers crying that this is literally : Both of these aren't true, and the later comes from a mixture of their actual stupid censorship and not so stupid "You are labeling people harassers, which is slander/libel in some parts of the world" If your going to make a RICO meme joke here too, your under obligation from Popehat to include the fact he made fun of Wu and Ghazi for mentioning time in and out that the FBI is going to get 8chan and GamerGate at large.
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Fluo posted:You're giving Harper too much credit. People get on that list for disagreeing with racial segregation. circ dick soleil posted:Name some of these people who lost their job because of a Twitter blocklist.
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ImpAtom posted:I think a better way to prove that the #GG was something besides harassment would be to show it actually focusing on ethics in games journalism instead, but that's me. We can go from less than 1% of the GG accounts where harassers to what GamerGate is actually concerned about (which is neither ethics or harassment) but I have little feeling how little that matters to this comment.
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NutritiousSnack posted:The same tactics have been widely and weirdly used in this thread when discussing people from Milo to Summers. As for his arguments, there are boiled down to "GamerGate hashtag has been used to harass people...and therefore it's all bad" and then waxing philosophically about how the game media is becoming more diverse (true) and this is a sign against Gamer Gate (not true) See, we could have avoided all of this if you had led with "Arthur Chu is bad because I think his observations about the state of the gaming media are inaccurate" and not "LOL HE WATCHED GAY PORN. WHAT A LOON!" Fluo posted:You're giving Harper too much credit. People get on that list for disagreeing with racial segregation. American businesses have the right not to hire someone for pretty much any reason under the sun as long as it's not because of their age, race, nationality, religion, gender, disability status or (in some states) sexual preference. It's still not the same thing as Joseph McCarthy hauling people in front of Congress on suspicion of being Soviet double agents. Hulk Krogan fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Jul 9, 2015 |
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Slanderer posted:A blacklist implies coercion or collusion forcing an entire group or industry to comply. Prove to me that this is happening. Not hiring someone for being on the GG blocklist does not make it a blacklist just like not hiring someone for being on a Tea Party membership list makes that a blacklist. American centric politics is rad as hell. Serf posted:Prove it. http://archive.is/hegey People who replied to pointing out racism ended up on the blacklist without any other tweet regarding this silly drama. Hulk Krogan posted:Businesses have the right not to hire someone for pretty much any reason under the sun as long as it's not because of their race, nationality, religion, gender, disability status or (in some states) sexual preference. Fluo fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Jul 9, 2015 |
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NutritiousSnack posted:If your going to make a RICO meme joke here too, your under obligation from Popehat to include the fact he made fun of Wu and Ghazi for mentioning time in and out that the FBI is going to get 8chan and GamerGate at large. People can criticize GamerGate however they want. This doesn't put them under "obligation" to take a side that you defined in your head.
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Fluo posted:You're giving Harper too much credit. People get on that list for disagreeing with racial segregation. That is simply not how the list works, you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Fluo posted:American centric politics is rad as hell. Yeah, we've covered that already. That tweet isn't pro-segregation. It says something that's true: That racial and gender segregation in the classroom can benefit minority and female students because, in mixed classrooms, teachers privilege white students and male students. If you follow the link, you'll see that's what it says.
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Fluo posted:American centric politics is rad as hell. Nobody lost their job for being blocked on Twitter.
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circ dick soleil posted:Is this true? I'm not sure how Twitter works but if it is I can't see how GamerGate wouldn't be aware of it being the real issue if it was. And knowing all of this, they still compare blocking someone on Twitter to McCarthyism? Twitter has recently started filtering your notifications, but normally you get notified for every star or retweet of your tweets, every reply, and every mention (within some limits). If some rando tags you in a post about the enemies of video games people keep replying to that tweet (while leaving your @ in the reply, which it adds by default), you will keep getting notifications. This makes separating out meaningful notifications from the poo poo firehose pointed at you impossible. You can ignore all mentions from people you don't follow, but that's the only level of filtering available (and doing so cripples the utility of twitter).
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