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Sephiroth_IRA posted:Nice. I got white mage/mystic knight too but bard/dancer instead. I have no clue if I'll be able to beat the optional bosses with that or not. You have bard, so yeah. Stack singing for Omega with Romeo and Speedy Etude, and worst case with Shinryu you can cheese reflecting zombies and Hide.
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Jul 10, 2015 13:45
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White Mages can berserk Shinryu, so that's not a problem. If you want to completely humiliate the beast, combine Berserk with Blink.
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Jul 10, 2015 13:48
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I am going to assume the answer is no, but I'll ask: If you put a command in the second slot of a Berserker that does a direct action, i.e. !Zeninage vs. a second menu of actions like !Black or !White, is there a chance the Berserker will select that action randomly, or does it only just Fight and nothing else? I figure if it could randomly do something like !Zeninage or !Ianuki then that would be pretty cool, but if not, I'd rather stick to Shirahadori until I get the Rune Axe then switch to !Black6.
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Jul 10, 2015 14:10
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Leofish posted:I am going to assume the answer is no, but I'll ask: If you put a command in the second slot of a Berserker that does a direct action, i.e. !Zeninage vs. a second menu of actions like !Black or !White, is there a chance the Berserker will select that action randomly, or does it only just Fight and nothing else? No, it won't do any direct actions. !Black6 + Rune Axe wouldn't be very viable if the Berserker randomly decided to cast Ice instead!
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Jul 10, 2015 14:11
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Poque posted:No, it won't do any direct actions. !Black6 + Rune Axe wouldn't be very viable if the Berserker randomly decided to cast Ice instead! That's what I figured, but I thought if it was just a thing that does the same thing all the time, like Ianuki, then he might just flip out and kill the whole screen at random, and that's be pretty sweet. Thanks!
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Leofish posted:That's what I figured, but I thought if it was just a thing that does the same thing all the time, like Ianuki, then he might just flip out and kill the whole screen at random, and that's be pretty sweet. The FFVA Balance Mod in the second post of the thread actually lets the Berserker use certain commands automatically. No Ianuki unfortunately, but they can do stuff like Rapidfire, Jump, and Mug.
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Jul 10, 2015 14:55
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Monk / Time Mage / Bard / Dragoon (Team Spacetime Karate) all done. This was fun for the most part. Time Mage is definitely one of the best classes in the game since just about everything can be slowed and haste is wonderful. They're especially powerful in a FJF since their spells have nothing to do with magic, so even a totally outclassed class like Monk can be useful at the end of the game. Bards can destroy the universe by themselves, of course. I am Neo Exdeath! *patiently waits his turn* *doesn't get one* *dies* I gave up on Omega after three hours. I'm not sure if it's different on iOS but I was unable to keep him locked down with three singers, hasted, after maxing out their speed with swift song. The input timings are just off or something. He gets a turn eventually no matter what you do, and when he does he attacks twice and there isn't much he does that doesn't kill me outright. I don't know if I could have killed Shinryuu, I was angry and wanted out at that point.
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Jul 10, 2015 16:50
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Completed my Black Mage/Zerker/Blue Mage/Mystic Knight random run. Decided I should suffer more with a chaos + natural run. What's gilgabot give me for the 1st job? Summoner. This is gonna be hilarious! 
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Jul 10, 2015 17:52
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OzFactor posted:I gave up on Omega after three hours. I'm not sure if it's different on iOS but I was unable to keep him locked down with three singers, hasted, after maxing out their speed with swift song. The input timings are just off or something. He gets a turn eventually no matter what you do, and when he does he attacks twice and there isn't much he does that doesn't kill me outright. I don't know if I could have killed Shinryuu, I was angry and wanted out at that point. You have a time mage. Just quickleak him.
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Jul 10, 2015 18:10
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That is not worth my time when I can't fast forward. I'm also not sure it would work; that seems like the kind of thing the mobile version would have fixed. I've started up another run anyway. Chaos this time. I got Beastmaster as my first class. Do I need to stay all Freelancers until the Water Crystal or should I just ask for all my jobs and hope I can use one?
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Jul 10, 2015 18:15
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OzFactor posted:That is not worth my time when I can't fast forward. I'm also not sure it would work; that seems like the kind of thing the mobile version would have fixed. Chaos is set to give you your first job at the earliest possible point, to keep you from using Freelancers as little as possible. There's nothing wrong with asking for your jobs in advance, but you won't have something you get before Walse Tower. 5-Headed Snake God fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Jul 10, 2015 |
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Jul 10, 2015 18:19
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Fartz, who is still questioning why his parents would name him that, and his new team have finished run #3.  I gave Omega a few shots but he schooled me. Any suggestions or should I just move on to run #4?
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Jul 10, 2015 18:35
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Beastmaster / Dragoon / Chemist / Chemist Well, I'm definitely going to win eventually. Go Team Animal Drug Abuse!
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Jul 10, 2015 18:38
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OzFactor posted:I gave up on Omega after three hours. I'm not sure if it's different on iOS but I was unable to keep him locked down with three singers, hasted, after maxing out their speed with swift song. The input timings are just off or something. He gets a turn eventually no matter what you do, and when he does he attacks twice and there isn't much he does that doesn't kill me outright. I don't know if I could have killed Shinryuu, I was angry and wanted out at that point. That's not an iOS thing. You have to stagger your Stops. If you just have everyone sing one after the other without waiting, only the first one actually does anything. The second and third would be trying to inflict Stop on something that is already stopped which has no actual effect.
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Jul 10, 2015 18:40
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:Nice. I got white mage/mystic knight too but bard/dancer instead. I have no clue if I'll be able to beat the optional bosses with that or not.
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Jul 10, 2015 18:45
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IronicDongz posted:Yes, you absolutely can. You don't even need bard. White mage is a free pass past shinryu, since you can berserk him first turn and then just have everyone(who should have white lv4 at least as their ability) cast blink on everyone so you never take damage. Omega's a bit harder but you can kill him in six hits with a thundaga'd weapon for max damage(probably chicken knife or an Enhancer) and heal/revive through wave cannon/mustard bomb with your white mage/white magic casting teammates. Just gotta hope he doesn't use encircle much. and bard can keep omega locked down with romeo's ballad~
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Jul 10, 2015 18:48
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With my first successful (generic) run, I decided to do a chaos run with the Fiesta mod, for fun, and ended up with: Summoner/Dragoon/Chemist/Chemist Sorry for everyone whose Chemists I'm hogging. 
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Well, well. White Mage and then Red Mage? This is going to be the grindiest game  Doublecast white magic means that Shinryu is going to be even more of a chump than last time, but I am in desperate need of damage dealing ability between Karnak up until Fork Tower.Hope I get something good for my next two jobs, or my second run will also have no chance of pulling off the triple crown. I'm thinking... Ninja/Chemist. Yeah. If I roll geomancer again, I'm straight up quitting  On the other hand... Can't RMs use rods? 
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Yes, they can. And you'll be able to dualcast Holy in the lategame.
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David Corbett posted:Well, well. White Mage and then Red Mage? This is going to be the grindiest game rdm has plenty of offense in world one, they don't tank until you get level 4 spells in world 2 (i.e. twenty minutes into world 2)
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Jul 10, 2015 19:20
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David Corbett posted:Well, well. White Mage and then Red Mage? This is going to be the grindiest game They can also use !White to bump up their magic score to something respectable. Or you can give your White Mage !Red and gain access to attack magic that way. Really, Red Mage is a perfectly capable class through all of world 1. It's only once the other casters get shell, bio and the -agas that they stop being able to catch up. ef;b
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Edward_Tohr posted:They can also use !White to bump up their magic score to something respectable. Or you can give your White Mage !Red and gain access to attack magic that way. Right, right. I guess through World 1 I'll be largely equivalent to a black mage; it's World 2 that would be tough, but at least I'll be able to break rods to correct for my lack of -aga spells. Dualcast Holy will be phenomenal against anything that's not Shinryu, particularly since I can stack one up with the Sage's Staff. I'm looking here with some trepidation to what I will get for Fire and Earth. For Fire, I figure Ninja would be the best, since it'd really smarten up my physical offence for random encounters and would allow me to use a great attack combo like twin lance/chicken knife. Ranger would be like a strictly worse Ninja, though rapid fire at least goes well with bows. Bard would probably win me a Triple Crown all on its own for its ability to shut Omega down, but I'm not sure what else it's good for. Beastmaster ... I don't know enough to comment intelligently on this job, but it'd probably be the end of any Triple Crown hopes. E: totally untrue; I'm playing GBA and would !calm the heck out of him. I just did a run with a geomancer, so no need to say anything there.
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Jul 10, 2015 20:31
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David Corbett posted:Beastmaster ... I don't know enough to comment intelligently on this job, but it'd probably be the end of any Triple Crown hopes. Beastmaster has the capacity to be an incredible job. Releasing the right monster can practically win tough fights all by itself.
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David Corbett posted:Ranger would be like a strictly worse Ninja, though rapid fire at least goes well with bows. Y'do know you can Rapid Fire with any weapon, right? Including the Chicken Knife? E: Also a Beastmaster is a free triple crown in and of itself, while we're on the subject.
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David Corbett posted:Right, right. I guess through World 1 I'll be largely equivalent to a black mage; it's World 2 that would be tough, but at least I'll be able to break rods to correct for my lack of -aga spells. Dualcast Holy will be phenomenal against anything that's not Shinryu, particularly since I can stack one up with the Sage's Staff. bard's buffs are insane and romeo's ballad's insanely strong, my first run ever was whm/rdm/brd/dnc and it was ok (that's a loving lie having to erely on dancer for damage sucked my rear end but once i got buffed up with bard spells i was crazy strong and whm made me unkillable). you can kill omega easy peasy with either bard or beastmaster and whm already trivializes shinryu so
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Aight. Sounds like way more jobs are feasible in FFV than I had previously thought. For the FJF, what are the worst pulls for each Crystal? Thief/monk, berserker, geomancer and dancer or dragoon, right? E: Kyrosiris, wouldn't a rapid fire chicken knife have a chance to proc flee?
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David Corbett posted:Aight. Sounds like way more jobs are feasible in FFV than I had previously thought. For the FJF, what are the worst pulls for each Crystal? Thief/monk, berserker, geomancer and dancer or dragoon, right? Nope, because Rapid Fire does not allow weapon procs to fire. Between that, the guaranteed hit rate, and the ignoring defense, Chicken Knife Rapid Fire is the single fastest way to murderize a single target. Also yeah, Monk/Zerk/Geo/Dragoon (or Dancer, if you want to be wrong) is generally considered the worst lineup in a standard run.
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David Corbett posted:Aight. Sounds like way more jobs are feasible in FFV than I had previously thought. For the FJF, what are the worst pulls for each Crystal? Thief/monk, berserker, geomancer and dancer or dragoon, right? Earth doesn't really have a bad pull. The worst is probably Dragoon and even that's decent. It just doesn't really do anything special.
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Sweet. Thanks for the help!
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I seem only cappable of playing this game in spurts, got back into the game and took down atmos first try, I got the impression he was supposed to be tough but knowing his gimmick going in and having a white mage as well as throwing money at him for massive damage took him out right quick. Am I closing in on the end of this game? I have no idea how long FF5 is since I have never played it before. Also, with the following set-up... ...What should my secondary abilities look like?
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Jul 10, 2015 20:59
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axelsoar posted:...What should my secondary abilities look like? White Mage @ Shirahadori, Sage's Staff/Circlet/Black Robe/Hermes Sandals Berserker @ !White 6, Rune Axe/Aegis Shield/Crystal Helmet/Black Garb/Hermes Sandals Ranger @ Rapid Fire, Chicken Knife/Black Hood/Black Garb/Hermes Sandals Samurai @ !White 6, Masamune (or Murakumo if you decide to steal one)/Aegis Shield/Crystal Helmet/Black Garb/Hermes Sandals
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Kyrosiris posted:White Mage @ Shirahadori, Sage's Staff/Circlet/Black Robe/Hermes Sandals i'd go with rapidfire instead of white on the samurai if you're running low on gil but yeah pretty much this
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Fungah! posted:i'd go with rapidfire instead of white on the samurai if you're running low on gil but yeah pretty much this Yeah, that's entirely valid; I like having two usable White users whenever I get it just to get things up with the quickness, but I can see going either way.
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Kyrosiris posted:Yeah, that's entirely valid; I like having two usable White users whenever I get it just to get things up with the quickness, but I can see going either way. yeah depends on if you want to focus on offense or defense. my problem with white's that sam's magic's pretty bad so holy and the cures aren't super powerful, but then again zeninage's so good that rapidfire might be unnecessary anyway and it'd be better to have some utility. either way that's a super powerful party
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Fungah! posted:yeah depends on if you want to focus on offense or defense. my problem with white's that sam's magic's pretty bad so holy and the cures aren't super powerful, but then again zeninage's so good that rapidfire might be unnecessary anyway and it'd be better to have some utility. either way that's a super powerful party Except !White gives whoever equips it the Magic of a White Mage. So they'd be tossing out the same numbers as the dedicated caster would. Unless you only have !White level 1 or 2 or something, I guess.
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Edward_Tohr posted:Except !White gives whoever equips it the Magic of a White Mage. So they'd be tossing out the same numbers as the dedicated caster would. whoops yeah forgot about that, zuh zuh zuh. i'd probably still go with rapidfire but yeah
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Fungah! posted:whoops yeah forgot about that, zuh zuh zuh. i'd probably still go with rapidfire but yeah Is that how that works? Is that why my berserker with white magic has mp to rival my white mage? edit: also, I picked up a reflect ring from one of the reflect knights in the barrier tower. Was that my only chance to get those? Do I care about reflect rings with my party set-up?
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Fungah! posted:whoops yeah forgot about that, zuh zuh zuh. i'd probably still go with rapidfire but yeah Oh yeah. !Rapidfire is loving broken. Auto-hit double damage that also ignores defense? For free? Every round? Why the gently caress not! ... That said, !Iainuki is hilarious if you get it early enough. axelsoar posted:Is that how that works? Is that why my berserker with white magic has mp to rival my white mage? That is exactly why, yes. And it'll be your only chance until later. I think you can Thief Knife some in World 3, but Barrier Tower is the first and easiest way for most teams. Then again, you have Protect, Shell, and Curaga, so I think you can get by without them. ... Is Reflect White or Time in this game?
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axelsoar posted:Is that how that works? Is that why my berserker with white magic has mp to rival my white mage? Correct! Specifically, the formula of stat inheritance is: !WHITE Magic Power = White Mage Magic Power - 2 * (6 - White Mage Job Level) So if you have !White 6, that last bit is 6 - 6 or 0, and you get full White Mage magic power - which is base of 49 (versus 1 for a Berserker). The primary reason for this - aside from having another out-of-battle healer - is what it does to the Rune Axe. Consider the following: quote:[15:24:16] <~Kyrosiris> .mcalc 35 45 rune 1 Putting !White 6 on a Berserker with the Rune Axe results in nearly doubling its damage. 
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