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They're not that heavy - pretty sure that will end up a little lighter than a RWD 3 series
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I can't wait until the chicken tax gets repealed and manufacturers bring over trucks like the Hilux and Landcruiser based on perceived demand by enthusiasts, only for them to sell like poo poo since oops the big fat American trucks are actually better in every way that matters. It'd be like the Toyobaru except worse since at least the FR-S/BRZ don't have any direct competition.
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Jul 11, 2015 01:41
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BoostCreep posted:It looks like it weighs 5,000 lbs. loving who cares. It has a stick. And an old fashioned handbrake.
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Jul 11, 2015 01:42
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Wheeee posted:I can't wait until the chicken tax gets repealed and manufacturers bring over trucks like the Hilux and Landcruiser based on perceived demand by enthusiasts, only for them to sell like poo poo since oops the big fat American trucks are actually better in every way that matters. The niche those LandCruisers fill isn't really present in the USA anyway - they're not really suitable for us on normal roads
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Jul 11, 2015 01:51
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dissss posted:The niche those LandCruisers fill isn't really present in the USA anyway - they're not really suitable for us on normal roads If Jeep Wranglers are suitable for normal roads, the Toyotas probably are too.
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Jul 11, 2015 02:07
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PBCrunch posted:If Jeep Wranglers are suitable for normal roads, the Toyotas probably are too. Try actually driving one - they're a lot more agricultural than a modern Wrangler, and don't have the electronic nannies that help the Jeep out. Not that I think a Wrangler is a particularly suitable vehicle to be driving around on the road either.
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Jul 11, 2015 02:18
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dissss posted:Try actually driving one - they're a lot more agricultural than a modern Wrangler, and don't have the electronic nannies that help the Jeep out. Are we talking about the same vehicles? I always assumed the only reason people bought Jeeps in Australia was because they couldn't afford a LandCruiser. Mine sites and construction jobs seem to buy a hell of a lot more Hiluxes and Cruisers, in fact I can't think of a single time I've seen someone with a work Jeep.
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Jul 11, 2015 06:10
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Of course you wouldn't buy a Jeep for work - the reason people buy them is they think they look cool.
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Jul 11, 2015 06:30
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Not to mention that down here if you need a 4WD for work it usually means you need a tray as well, which no Jeep offers anyway.
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Jul 11, 2015 12:57
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What are VW's made of nowadays? I see 30% Mexican, 19% German, 4% US and I guess that leaves 47% extraterrestrial. 
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dissss posted:Of course you wouldn't buy a Jeep for work - the reason people buy them is they think they look cool. Yea, the North American version of a Landcruiser or Hilux is a Chevy Silverado Work Truck stripper model which costs half as much and will tow/haul more poo poo. Jeeps are toys.
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I got a 2015 grand cherokee as a rental with the pentastar/8 speed combo, and the transmission programing was painful in such a high weight/low torque vehicle. a little poke of the throttle to match the speed of the next lane before merging and it jumps from 8th to 3rd and the engine starts screaming and then climbs back up to 8th. It was basically never in 6th or 7th gear. The paddle shifters/manual mode actually held gears, followed direction, and shifted quite quickly, so in a lighter/torquey car it would probably be pretty decent. With the shifter itself, janky isn't a strong enough word. It's not a physical movement anymore, it's just a button in front of and behind the shifter stick with 2 clicks forward and back returning to center every time, so you put your foot on the brake and give it a light touch backwards for reverse and it jumps to neutral instead. try giving it a light touch forward and it's back to park. You can't move into a specific gear with muscle memory, and have to check the screen or the shifter to check to what gear it actually went into when you're maneuvering in tight areas. It's horrible poo poo for the sake of horrible poo poo, a dial shifter would be a massive improvement assuming it's an actual positional dial and not just an endless click wheel that would get the same results. It got decent fuel economy and had a lot of neat poo poo for the type of vehicle it was, but the shifter and engine/trans combo drove me nuts.
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Jul 11, 2015 23:41
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Powershift posted:Chrysler.txt
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Wheeee posted:I can't wait until the chicken tax gets repealed and manufacturers bring over trucks like the Hilux and Landcruiser based on perceived demand by enthusiasts, only for them to sell like poo poo since oops the big fat American trucks are actually better in every way that matters. It'd just be nice to have legit rugged utility vehicles that are reliable as gently caress. Some people like stripped vehicles. Tacomas won't even come in a single cab anymore starting in 16  Tundra dropped their stripped model manual transmission years ago, and the Tacoma is only going to offer w/ the 4x4 V6 next year.
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D C posted:So its a riced out Lexus GS with a Toyota badge? A lot of Lexus models are branded Toyota in Japan.
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Uncle Jam posted:A lot of Lexus models are branded Toyota in Japan. That hasn't been true for many years now.
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Jul 12, 2015 01:05
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The shifter is a ZF innovation, all the Audis that came with the ZF 8 speed in those years had the same shifter, and obviously something used by both Chrysler and Audi can't be a bad idea. The GC is the last vehicle to use that style of shifter, every other car with that transmission has gone to either a real shifter or a rotary dial.
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Powershift posted:merging and it jumps from 8th to 3rd and the engine starts screaming and then climbs back up to 8th. It was basically never in 6th or 7th gear. This kind of makes sense. I remember driving a 2 Series with the ZF8 and wishing they just got rid of gears 5-6-7 because fourth was perfect for around town and eighth was plenty for the highway. The in-between gears were such a nuisance. I imagine the transmission programmers have a hard time finding a use for those middle gears outside of the lightest of acceleration. I think they exist mostly to improve fuel economy in the federal tests and for marketing purposes. It's otherwise pretty useless to have more than six gears outside of a semi.
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The 9 speed in the Chrysler 200 is atrocious. 9th on the highway, want to pass someone? heres 3rd after some scary, dead pedal deliberation on the trans' part, WAIT NO THAT WAS THE VERY TOP OF 3RD HERES 4TH INSTEAD. Sport mode made it quite a bit better because it didnt go above 6th, but the delay on downshifts was downright dangerous and I got caught out by it a few times making turns across traffic.
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Jul 13, 2015 08:06
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something something manual gears. :P
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Jul 13, 2015 08:38
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I don't think you'd want a 9 speed manual either
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Jul 13, 2015 08:49
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dissss posted:I don't think you'd want a 9 speed manual either 
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oRenj9 posted:This kind of makes sense. I remember driving a 2 Series with the ZF8 and wishing they just got rid of gears 5-6-7 because fourth was perfect for around town and eighth was plenty for the highway. The in-between gears were such a nuisance. The same transmission in an RS7 spends a lot of time in 5th and 6th on the freeway at legal speeds.
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Jul 13, 2015 13:30
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 I'd take more than six gears in a manual in all seriousness
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Jul 13, 2015 14:48
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If the gearbox were S2000 levels of wonderful tight machined glory then a car with 6+ gears would be a joy. I'd bang up and down a box like that all day long. If it were cheap European econobox vagueness and slop then nah.
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Jul 13, 2015 15:05
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Nodoze posted:I'd take more than six gears in a manual in all seriousness There's always the Corvette...
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Q_res posted:There's always the Corvette... Never  88h88 posted:If the gearbox were S2000 levels of wonderful tight machined glory then a car with 6+ gears would be a joy. I'd bang up and down a box like that all day long. If it were cheap European econobox vagueness and slop then nah. If only all manuals were as good
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Jul 13, 2015 15:34
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Nodoze posted:
I want whatever this is but on the tree
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Jul 13, 2015 15:43
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blugu64 posted:I want whatever this is but on the tree 
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Nodoze posted:
this would be really hard to do drunk
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Jul 13, 2015 16:43
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Give me a DCT. Only poors don't have a robot to work the clutch and stick shift. Pfft.
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Twerk from Home posted:With the enormous Pilot Sport 3 tires and 18" wheels? I'm convinced those have got to be somewhat responsible for the mediocre fuel economy. Even on the highway I can barely get that thing over 32mpg driving under the speed limit and doing some hypermiling stuff. Gf has a '14 Focus Ti, averages 35mpg.
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Elephanthead posted:Give me a DCT. Only poors don't have a robot to work the clutch and stick shift. Pfft. Yeah that's workin' out real good for my sister and her Focus.
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Enourmo posted:Yeah that's workin' out real good for my sister and her Focus. Herky jerky, I trust?
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Nice and shaky at idle, in first gear it bucks and has little power until about 3k. She's already got an appointment to replace the "internal clutch packs", i dunno if that means the main power clutch unit or if there's clutch packs for the gears like on an automatic.
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Enourmo posted:Nice and shaky at idle, in first gear it bucks and has little power until about 3k. There are two clutches between the rms and input shaft on concentric shafts. The o ring between them leaks transmission oil onto the clutches and then they shudder. They replace the clutches, clean the flywheel and replace the seals then recalibrate the clutch drivers.takes three days and they usually have one guy and that's all he does.
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Jul 13, 2015 19:09
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Nodoze posted:I'd take more than six gears in a manual in all seriousness
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Twerk from Home posted:With the enormous Pilot Sport 3 tires and 18" wheels? I'm convinced those have got to be somewhat responsible for the mediocre fuel economy. Even on the highway I can barely get that thing over 32mpg driving under the speed limit and doing some hypermiling stuff. We have the same car - Focus Ti, titanium handling package. Averaged around 27mpg. Put on some all seasons afterward, no real increase on the mpg front.
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Mr. Apollo posted:Porsche has a 7 speed manual. It's a PDK that they made into a manual and it's worse. Sad days.
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Zoom Zoom, motherfuckers
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Pr0kjayhawk posted:It's a PDK that they made into a manual and it's worse. Sad days. What's surprising about a PDK-derived manual gearbox being worse than the real PDK? You're going from perfect shifting to the best shifting you can do.
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