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Cultural Imperial posted:http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/victoria-restaurants-face-chef-shortage-broken-industry-says-restaurateur-1.3148241 People aren't willing to pay what good food costs to make and serve, though. That's a very significant problem. That doesn't mean we should forgive the underpayment and other abuse of employees, but it is a serious obstacle to creating a liveable city/town. Unfortunately, I don't see any way it can be fixed until people learn to tell the difference between Milestone's and something that doesn't taste like boiled rear end, but until that happens I guess I'll be cooking for myself.
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EvilJoven posted:When the revolution comes these people should be last in line for the guillotine. Just to buy us time to hang, draw and quarter them, right? Right!!??
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# ? Jul 13, 2015 04:11 |
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Since the average Canadian's wage has stagnated while the cost of living and inflation have gone up much higher in proportion to their wage, people aren't as readily able to afford what it actually takes to make real food. And chefs and other staff have been the ones bearing most of the economic brunt of the downward pressure on the industry due to that. Lots of this sort of poo poo is knock-on effects from a significant portion of Canadians shifting to lovely, low paying, and low quality jobs
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Mederlock posted:Since the average Canadian's wage has stagnated while the cost of living and inflation have gone up much higher in proportion to their wage, people aren't as readily able to afford what it actually takes to make real food. And chefs and other staff have been the ones bearing most of the economic brunt of the downward pressure on the industry due to that. Lots of this sort of poo poo is knock-on effects from a significant portion of Canadians shifting to lovely, low paying, and low quality jobs but no you see, canadians are wealthier than ever because of their real estate holdings and they just need to unlock that wealth with credit cards, HELOCs and reverse mortgages
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Mederlock posted:Since the average Canadian's wage has stagnated while the cost of living and inflation have gone up much higher in proportion to their wage, people aren't as readily able to afford what it actually takes to make real food. And chefs and other staff have been the ones bearing most of the economic brunt of the downward pressure on the industry due to that. Lots of this sort of poo poo is knock-on effects from a significant portion of Canadians shifting to lovely, low paying, and low quality jobs I agree completely; The amount we pay the people who prepare our (often very good) food is disgraceful, even in comparison to other fairly disgraceful industries. The tipping system that we use to compensate waitstaff is also absolutely hosed, and the "tip-out" system doubly so. It was a loving miracle in Spain, being able to leave a tip for good service and actually have it be appreciated and go to the server that earned it, especially knowing that everyone was already being paid adequately.
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# ? Jul 13, 2015 04:20 |
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So his co-founder (and only actual chef) is spending 90hrs a week trying to keep this bitch afloat because they can't find a chef on salary + tips who is capable of actually delivering. That dude is grinding 90 hours a week for some reason, I assume that other potential employees would have the same reason. Either it's ownership (and the ability to make decisions) or equity. If you don't have the money to pay the best salary, there are other levers you can move. Sounds like they should be looking to build a co-operative or partnership model instead of just hiring seasonal employees and complaining their labour input cost is too high in raw salary. I'm sure some chef would love to sign on for 6 months in exchange of, say, 5% of ongoing profits and the ability to influence the business direction. I know, I know, restaurants don't work that way, but in my experience most of what new restaurants do is go down in flames when they discover they can't keep paying the bills with ego. Maybe it's time for the business side of the partnership to do some loving business. Seat Safety Switch fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Jul 13, 2015 |
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https://twitter.com/CdnMortgageNews/status/620437788316536832 lol
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# ? Jul 13, 2015 04:54 |
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I just moved from Victoria. The reason Foo is having trouble is because he charges $8.00 for a Viet pork belly sub.
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# ? Jul 13, 2015 04:57 |
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Obviously you don't understand what good food is worth.
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Jan posted:Just to buy us time to hang, draw and quarter them, right? Right!!?? Nah, just so the blade is nice and dull by the time their turn comes up.
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# ? Jul 13, 2015 05:38 |
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Canadian bubble so unlike the USA one. I like how they even did the poo poo and gold mixing for the secularization of mortgage loans.
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# ? Jul 13, 2015 05:39 |
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Mantle posted:I just moved from Victoria. The reason Foo is having trouble is because he charges $8.00 for a Viet pork belly sub. Victoria, the home of UVic-trust-fund-encouraged $16 artisanal hot dogs? The prices for stuff on the island make the gouging in the rest of Canada seem almost palatable. They better hope the waves of retirees from Alberta like to eat out. Seat Safety Switch fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Jul 13, 2015 |
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Rime posted:https://m.facebook.com/groups/162350160468834?view=permalink&id=861310620572781&ref=m_notif%ACif_t=group_comment_follow Lol, someone actually advised she seek employment at fuckin' hootsuite.
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PT6A posted:People aren't willing to pay what good food costs to make and serve, though. That's a very significant problem. That doesn't mean we should forgive the underpayment and other abuse of employees, but it is a serious obstacle to creating a liveable city/town. What does it cost though, how do you realistically set that level? I'm eating the best tasting and prepared food in my life, at amazing restaurants, and the most I've paid in one night was $20 and that included some totally baller wine service. To eat food this good in Vancouver would be well over $100/person at the table. (and then the portions would be pathetically tiny because you'd be at one of those pretentious as gently caress restaurants). The problem is goods and services in The West have inflated their costs past the point of reality and entirely out of sync with what anyone there can afford to pay on a regular basis. So businesses die. They'll continue to die as the personal debt level taps out for more and more Canadians and jobs continue to pay less and less money. Now understand, I'm not ignorant of the costs of operating when I ask this. I'm saying that, from the very bottom of the supply chain all the way to space rental, costs are out of touch with reality. Rime fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Jul 13, 2015 |
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Rime posted:What does it cost though, how do you realistically set that level? I'm eating the best tasting and prepared food in my life, at amazing restaurants, and the most I've paid in one night was $20 and that included some totally baller wine service. To eat food this good in Vancouver would be well over $100/person at the table. wait until captain white trash discovers the big mac index.
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Rime posted:What does it cost though, how do you realistically set that level? I'm eating the best tasting and prepared food in my life, at amazing restaurants, and the most I've paid in one night was $20 and that included some totally baller wine service. To eat food this good in Vancouver would be well over $100/person at the table. (and then the portions would be pathetically tiny because you'd be at one of those pretentious as gently caress restaurants). It probably helps that in the place where you paid $20 in one night, the kitchen is infested with rats, no one cleans anything, and there is barely an excuse for a health code or investigators or licenses or anything. Keeps costs down, and its the least "visible" thing (unless you do actually get sick) for businesses to cut back on. But thanks for your insight on how Canada should be more like a third world post-USSR STALKER-esque country
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Melian Dialogue posted:It probably helps that in the place where you paid $20 in one night, the kitchen is infested with rats, no one cleans anything, and there is barely an excuse for a health code or investigators or licenses or anything. Keeps costs down, and its the least "visible" thing (unless you do actually get sick) for businesses to cut back on. Or that the locals likely make $5-$10 a day.
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Melian Dialogue posted:It probably helps that in the place where you paid $20 in one night, the kitchen is infested with rats, no one cleans anything, and there is barely an excuse for a health code or investigators or licenses or anything. Keeps costs down, and its the least "visible" thing (unless you do actually get sick) for businesses to cut back on. Yeah, no, not in the slightest. Apt description of Bons off Broadway in Vancouver though! But please continue to pretend you have any understanding of the world outside your laughable preconceptions. How little you know, sweet young child, how little you know. Edit: PT6A, you should go to Tbilisi sometime. I know you like wine, spirits, and good food, you'd love it here. I have always hated wine but my god, the stuff they make in Georgia is off the chain delicious. And cheap. So cheap. Rime fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Jul 13, 2015 |
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Melian Dialogue posted:It probably helps that in the place where you paid $20 in one night, the kitchen is infested with rats, no one cleans anything, and there is barely an excuse for a health code or investigators or licenses or anything. Keeps costs down, and its the least "visible" thing (unless you do actually get sick) for businesses to cut back on. Uh, prices in Sweden range between 12 and 40$ and we're super strict on code and have higher salaries for service personal than most countries.
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Rime posted:What does it cost though, how do you realistically set that level? I'm eating the best tasting and prepared food in my life, at amazing restaurants, and the most I've paid in one night was $20 and that included some totally baller wine service. To eat food this good in Vancouver would be well over $100/person at the table. (and then the portions would be pathetically tiny because you'd be at one of those pretentious as gently caress restaurants). Pretty much everything is way more expensive in Canada. Good ingredients? More expensive. Transportation costs? More expensive. Labour? Way more expensive. Rent in a desirable location? That's probably the biggest factor, too: very, very expensive! I'd say there's pretty much no way you can get good food for under $20/plate (without drinks) in Calgary, and it's probably much the same throughout Canada. The economics simply aren't there. The problem is that people aren't willing to pay that, because they look at going out to a restaurant as a replacement for being able to cook a proper meal at home in a lot of cases (I admit I've been doing this more than I should lately, but that's because I just can't bear to heat up my apartment any further by cooking something).
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PT6A only leaves his fetid darkened condo for the finest Grand Cru and caviar, unlike you plebs.
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# ? Jul 13, 2015 16:52 |
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I'm eating smoked black sea caviar as I type this. It cost the same as a Big Mac meal in BC.
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Decoy Badger posted:PT6A only leaves his fetid darkened condo for the finest Grand Cru and caviar, unlike you plebs. Name me one good restaurant in Calgary where you can get in and out for under $20 (including tax and a decent tip), and I'll concede the point. You don't need to be eating caviar and drinking grand cru to spend a lot of money on food here. Under $20, your options are basically fast food or pub food -- each of which has its place, but neither of which can be said to be objectively good.
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You could order just a water and an appetizer but when we go out we generally do three courses minimum and two drinks each. There's no margin on $10 meals so you'd need to be doing a ton of volume and even then it probably wont work out. Most people don't get to enjoy a three hour experience at a nice restaurant because they say it costs too much but we only go out once or twice a month since we do all the rest of our meals at home from scratch. Most people still spend twice our restaurant budget on poo poo food at $20 increments because they are children who can't cook. cowofwar fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Jul 13, 2015 |
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Rime posted:I'm eating smoked black sea caviar as I type this. It cost the same as a Big Mac meal in BC. how much is the avg income where you are vs. how much you're spending?
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Mantle posted:I just moved from Victoria. The reason Foo is having trouble is because he charges $8.00 for a Viet pork belly sub. Pretty sure the Bahn Mi is generally more than $8. Typically $8.50 + tax. That is the most affordable thing on the menu. $13 Canadian dollars for some drat beef + broccoli.
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JawKnee posted:how much is the avg income where you are vs. how much you're spending? Average monthly wage in Georgia is 855 GEL (roughly $425 CAD), I've spent 435 GEL ($218 CAD) in 17 days.
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PT6A posted:Pretty much everything is way more expensive in Canada. Good ingredients? More expensive. Transportation costs? More expensive. Labour? Way more expensive. Rent in a desirable location? That's probably the biggest factor, too: very, very expensive!
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unlimited shrimp posted:Even the chain restaurants are getting bad. I went to a GTA Montanas a few months ago and all the entrees averaged about $15.00 before tax, tip or drink. A burger and beer would have cost me $25.00 when all was said and done. gently caress that. You went to Montana's for a burger
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# ? Jul 13, 2015 19:23 |
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Whatever came out of Bons on Broadway stiffing its employees? I am pretty certain I know this answer.
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# ? Jul 13, 2015 19:28 |
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jm20 posted:You went to Montana's for a burger All in all, I would have been better off just burning the money I spent that night.
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# ? Jul 13, 2015 20:18 |
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Can you post pictures of your condo? I'm doing a thing in GBS and it'd add some authenticity to the gag
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How do you physically manage to eat three courses at a restaurant? I just get a main, and either water or a coke, and I'm almost always under $20, maybe a bit more after the tip.
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Professor Shark posted:Can you post pictures of your condo? I'm doing a thing in GBS and it'd add some authenticity to the gag I can, but I won't.
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 00:17 |
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Yes yes.. burn it all... (Marda Loop Calgary apparently)
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 01:18 |
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Rime posted:Yeah, no, not in the slightest. Apt description of Bons off Broadway in Vancouver though! You're like one of those retards who did study abroad for a year, got drunk and skipped class, and come back with this superior righteousness over how worldly they are. Except you're just some white dude who's been in a foreign country for a few weeks. Its like every post you can't help but mention your retarded trip that was based on a ponytail sadbrains excuse for a breakup. Nobody cares, its more sad to see you try and sneak in a mention of your dumb trip than when PT6A talks british or about cigars. Also, if you're just SOOOO engrossed in the local culture why do you still post here as often as you did before? Jesus christ, its sad that inbetween your amazing trip you have to let your e-friends keep up to date. Post about it again in GBS, Im sure itll go over just as well as it did before.
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...rticle25482492/quote:Home Capital plunges most since 2008 as new mortgages decline Hate boner: rising
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 04:45 |
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The canadian creative class https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9XKLqGqwLA
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 05:48 |
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Because it sends you and others into a frothing rage regardless of anecdotal relevance. Much like how you can't help but remind people in every post that you're painfully retarded (despite your fresh account, Swagger), but you don't see me working up a sweat about it. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Moody's predicts over the next 18 months the decaying economy will force Canadian banks to take on even more high risk poo poo assets: http://business.financialpost.com/news/fp-street/canadas-banks-face-deteriorating-assets-amid-low-oil-prices-slowing-economy-moodys
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