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scavok posted:Really unfortunate given that Nokia was doing better and better each quarter with their Windows Phone sales, while also producing very important apps.
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Jul 10, 2015 19:59
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xylo posted:Beyond that, you had a faction at nokia that was (seemingly?) actively working on some counter productive plans. See also: Symbian, Maemo/MeeGo. A similar thing happened there too. edit: New Windows 10 mobile build out. It fixes the stupid brown bar at the top of my app 
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Jul 10, 2015 20:03
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If the final release of WP10 is as good as the desktop preview I'm on(10162), it'll be nice. I loved 7 and wasn't fond of 8.1 (talking always about desktop) but was good enough. Win 10 is going to be a major hit for Microsoft in my opinion.
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Jul 10, 2015 20:19
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MS is killing off MSN Food and Drink, Health and Fitness and Travel apps (for all platforms - WP, iOS, Android). How many months was this after the MSN re-brand? Kind of sucks as I use the H&F to track steps, which it can show via the lock screen - the MS Health app can't do that (to my knowledge), and the F&D was useful for shopping lists as I could edit them on my PC and have them sync. You can do that with Onenote but the problem is checking them off on the phone was a bitch as if you miss the checkbox Onenote assumes you're editing and up pops the keyboard. Oh well, just a couple less things I likely won't miss when I finally get off this 'burning platform'
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Jul 10, 2015 20:46
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Bit the bullet and finally ordered a Lumia 920 for myself, after my aging and beloved Nokia E71 was finally having its keyboard die. I totally looked on ebay for a Lumia 920 and then accidentally looked at reviews of a 930 and totally got psyched out thinking that Windows phones have dropped so far that a flagship model from 2014 would be down to like $90. I quickly found out my mistake though. Time to see if the voice search button holding down thing happens to me too a lot like it is happening to my wife, or if the 920 has less a sensitive search button or such.
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Jul 10, 2015 22:07
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xylo posted:Personal opinion: I wish this was the case. I really do. Things were definitely not getting better and better -- at best it was treading water or falling only slightly. Nokia had a very flawed strategy that's going to take a while to clean up and correct. While it's true we need low end volume to get scale and accelerate growth, the way they were doing it wasn't helping except in a few nitch markets. At issue was the wash of indistinguishable low end devices and nearly complete ignoring of the upper mid to high end segment. Really it's drat near impossible to tell the difference between the 430/435/520/521/535/610/620/630/635, not to mention country specific varies of each of these. Making a phone for every price point on the low end spreads resources too thin. Beyond that, you had a faction at nokia that was (seemingly?) actively working on some counter productive plans. The Nokia X was a huge mistake -- a terrible idea that was going to go nowhere. I know you probably don't know anything about this and can't comment even if you did, but PLEASE PLEASE, let it be known to the powers that be that messaging integration between desktop/laptop and mobile windows 10 is a killer feature (ala, receive and send text/sms messages from your laptop like ios/osx). I'm alreadly mostly a diehard but this is the closest thing to a make or break feature for me. Every forum and website acts like this feature is fait accompli but I've seen nothing from Microsoft. It could also give windows phone a marketing reason to exist if the marketing folks decide to advertise on actual use scenarios and features.
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Jul 10, 2015 22:17
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jeeves posted:Bit the bullet and finally ordered a Lumia 920 for myself, after my aging and beloved Nokia E71 was finally having its keyboard die. Ha, drat. I had one of those but it was quite a few phones ago. I actually made my daughter use it until she got used to carrying a phone, in case it was lost. Also, too late now I suppose but tmobile was dumping demo 925s for around $60 on ebay.
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Jul 10, 2015 23:18
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CalvinandHobbes posted:I know you probably don't know anything about this and can't comment even if you did, but PLEASE PLEASE, let it be known to the powers that be that messaging integration between desktop/laptop and mobile windows 10 is a killer feature (ala, receive and send text/sms messages from your laptop like ios/osx). I'm alreadly mostly a diehard but this is the closest thing to a make or break feature for me. Every forum and website acts like this feature is fait accompli but I've seen nothing from Microsoft. Remember when Microsoft used to own and run one of the most popular instant messaging services in the world that worked on mobile and desktop and cross platform, then purchased a second popular messaging service that worked on mobile and desktop and cross platform? Oh, how I long for those halcyon days of yore where we all assumed Microsoft would not arbitrarily shut down valuable mobile and desktop cross platform services.
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Jul 10, 2015 23:21
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jeeves posted:Bit the bullet and finally ordered a Lumia 920 for myself, after my aging and beloved Nokia E71 was finally having its keyboard die. I loved my E71. I had the AT&T model though, which had some annoying revisions compared to the international model. Almost makes me wish that Windows "business phones" will have a hardware keyboard but I'm certain they won't 
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Jul 11, 2015 01:22
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We definitely saw mock-ups of a messaging app on Windows 10 desktop with Skype and SMS integrated, so they've at least thought about it. They're supposed to be killing off the Skype standalone Metro app in favor of integrating Skype into messaging and video apps.
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Jul 11, 2015 02:54
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That's an odd decision but as long as they make it a calling option from the phone too I'll be happy. My plan is to forward my cell provider's voice number to a Skype number and get cheap global roaming while being able to sunset my old number at the hundred different services that have it on record.
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Jul 11, 2015 17:32
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Well, gently caress. Decided to take the plunge and try installing 10 on my 928 and it failed three times, once with error code 0x80070070 and twice with 0x80070020.
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Jul 11, 2015 17:55
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I don't get why the OS decides to shitcan third party background audio agents as soon as it can, instead of just suspending it indefinitely. At least until another agent wants to play stuff. Because I'm not sure if it's Spotify's fault, that it won't start playing whenever a BT peer wants audio. Earlier today, I unplugged my headphones, mucked about 2-3 minutes and then started my car, when the car radio connected with BT and Spotify picked up where it left. A few minutes more, the agent would probably have been killed.
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Jul 11, 2015 18:05
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I think that's just the Spotify app; MixRadio, Xbox music, and Pandora don't really do that and Pocket Casts does but after a couple of hours, at least for me. This is on a 925.
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Jul 11, 2015 18:13
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The app can decide to retain your current track and playlist if its built that way. For example Harmony Music does that, so that even when the os kills the bg task, at least you can pick up where you left off.
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Jul 11, 2015 18:19
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Has anyone had any issues streaming their music to their phone? My 640XL basically doesn't have any space for music and my whole music collection is on the One Drive anyway so it works out for me, but the Music app doesn't detect 70% of what's on there but it was fine on my 920.
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Jul 11, 2015 21:04
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Is my 928 hosed? I tried to do a factory reset and the gears spin for a while then I get a :-( screen and it restarts and does it again.
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Jul 11, 2015 21:19
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:I think that's just the Spotify app; MixRadio, Xbox music, and Pandora don't really do that and Pocket Casts does but after a couple of hours, at least for me. This is on a 925.
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Jul 11, 2015 21:24
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Wiseblood posted:Is my 928 hosed? I tried to do a factory reset and the gears spin for a while then I get a :-( screen and it restarts and does it again. Download the Nokia recovery tool and plug your phone into the computer. Should reinstall everything.
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Jul 12, 2015 01:48
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Got my Otterbox Defender case in from eBay today and it's wonderful. Should have got it from the start. Now I won't have a heart attack if my phone ever slips out of my pocket onto the ground again.
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Jul 12, 2015 06:03
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Installed the latest 10 build on my 925 daily driver because I'm... not very smart. It's way better than it appeared to be but I'm still getting lots of weird behavior & stutters. I should probably factory reset it, but the thought of setting up all my email and stuff again has kept me from doing it. I really, really don't like the hamburger menus. Especially on top of the screen, far from my thumbs. 
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Jul 12, 2015 06:03
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I saw some Lumia 435's on sale for 40€ unlocked contract free and got one for testing/spare phone, especially with taxes and poo poo even dumb phones cost about same here. Then I went and dropped latest W10 tech preview on it. It probably helps a lot that 435 has 1GB memory, still the camera is utter poo poo as is the display but apart from that it runs this new build of Win10 really well, and certainly destroys any Android on same price category. Compared to how bad previous builds were on my 930, it's almost ready to be daily driver. Also I think secret trick to getting Win10 tech previews to run well is do factory reset on phone after each new build. Even with whole "wait 10 minutes after install" there seems to be something still wrong with how 8.1 settings and apps are imported.
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Jul 13, 2015 05:23
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Seriously, how do I stop apps from shutting down randomly on my 1020? Super annoying when the awful app just closes (not a crash) or when IE decides the internet is just too much. Google searches say reduce icons on the home screen... Anything else that works?
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Jul 14, 2015 05:48
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I'm looking to get my first smart phone and I've decided on a Windows Phone because of OneNote and OneDrive meshing really well with my Windows 8 tablet and laptop. My idea is to get a cheap one to last me until the 940/XL comes out. Would a 920 or 925 be good enough performance-wise? I know it's like 2-3 years old now, but I really like the color options on the 920. Or should I just get a 635 for like $50? Or get a 640XL and forget about the upcoming models? Only thing is I'm really intrigued by having a proper digitizer pen on a windows phone.
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Jul 14, 2015 11:09
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If money isn't a problem, the 640xl is your best bet. Is newer, has a good screen and nice color options.
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Jul 14, 2015 11:46
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I went from a 920 to a 640XL and performance actually seems higher. It's a newer phone with a quad-core processor, which makes a lot of difference.
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Jul 14, 2015 13:28
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I'm hoping whatever new flagship phone they have supports a good, thin digitizer stylus like my tablet (the horribly-named Toshiba Encore 2 Write).
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Jul 14, 2015 16:53
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Basch lives. posted:I'm looking to get my first smart phone and I've decided on a Windows Phone because of OneNote and OneDrive meshing really well with my Windows 8 tablet and laptop. My idea is to get a cheap one to last me until the 940/XL comes out. Same; on my 1520 the Awful app also just closes randomly. Memory usage is around 100mb at most when this happens. :\
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Jul 14, 2015 16:54
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ratbert90 posted:Same; on my 1520 the Awful app also just closes randomly. Memory usage is around 100mb at most when this happens. :\ Not sure where you're getting those numbers from, but that's probably not true.  I've been doing research on this because I wanted to see where the high memory was coming from. An App on Windows Phone gets, from what I recall, around 180 megs of space. If you go over that limit, your app closes. Now that line in the graph above shows the memory usage in Awful. Before that huge spike, it was around 70 megs or so. When you enter the app, it starts at around 30 megs. As you enter threads it gets to about 70 megs and then hovers around there. By then, Garbage Collection kicks in so as you leave and enter new threads and pages, it will remove the content that was in that web view. But it depends on the thread. For the test above, I went into the PYF GIF thread. Now you have multi-meg gifs all loaded into memory at once. It will straight up close. Note that this happens in normal WP IE too. Trying a good portion of the threads people seem to have issues with cause issues in standard IE too. Now, that's the worse case scenario, but most of the 'close' crashes people see in this app, or any app with a web view, are probably related to that. Of course, IE does not have the same overhead as my app does, so it may show more threads then me. And a good reason why I don't see these issues is because of the threads I read; I have about 20 bookmarked threads and usually don't go away from them. So it's hard to notice issues when your sample size is small. Avatars on the site are very compact and fit well in memory, but those movie gifs and memes just eat straight into it Now there are ways around this problem. I could pull an Android awful and just disable gifs until you click on them. Or lower the amount of posts you see in a thread. I could also tell you when memory usage is getting too high and bail on the thread, or stop loading it and disable gifs then. They are all kinda lame, but your kinda stuck at that point  .
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TopherCStone posted:I loved my E71. I had the AT&T model though, which had some annoying revisions compared to the international model. Almost makes me wish that Windows "business phones" will have a hardware keyboard but I'm certain they won't The moment I ordered my Nokia 920 due to the keyboard being broken on my E71, the drat keyboard has worked perfect. Maybe I scared it. Oh well, I guess it's finally time to upgrade.
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Jul 14, 2015 18:21
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Just another data point, but I'm regularly getting crashes on mostly text threads, including this one, on a 640. The most frustrating part is when it happens halfway through me typing a reply. Afterwards, I can reopen the thread and browse it without crashing for a good while.
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Jul 14, 2015 18:39
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ElrondHubbard posted:Just another data point, but I'm regularly getting crashes on mostly text threads, including this one, on a 640. Well that sucks. I can tell you that I'm fairly sure it's not a crash. Because, again, I have zero analytics data for it. It could also be a memory issue (Remember that the thread is still loaded in memory for when you return back to that page). There are a lot of things that could cause it. It might be the specific version of Windows Phone, it could be how I'm setting the html to the web view, it could be how I'm using Autofac (My IoC of choice) that could be causing these memory issues and causing it to drop. Or it could be an actual crash and Azure App Insights is just loving around with me. It's not an obvious thing like "Oh, YouTube videos are breaking out of the web view. I can just set the max width on the iFrame to 100%!". This is a lot more subtle, and hard to just figure out. The GIF issue is totally apart of that. It's not the only thing though. I know that. Also I just posted this with my 8.1 test device, hooked up to my memory debugger. And it seems to be working fine. EDIT: And again, I've been dogfooding the 10 version on my 1020 and 1520 (and desktop, for what it's worth) and I don't get those drops and crashes. So I'm not sure what I'm doing different in 10 that's loving up 8. Drastic Actions fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Jul 14, 2015 |
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Jul 14, 2015 18:55
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Just another dats point, but my 1520 with the latest 8.1 update and latest Awful App has crashed a few times today too. Straight back to Start, no image-heavy threads. It happened once while I was swiping up a reply, too.
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Jul 14, 2015 19:27
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Drastic Actions posted:Well that sucks. No big deal. Even with the sudden closures it's still a pretty great app and since Win 10 is coming sooner rather than later, it doesn't really make that much sense to dedicate countless man hours to solving this particular riddle. I'm just chiming in just in case my input elucidates something.
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ElrondHubbard posted:No big deal. Even with the sudden closures it's still a pretty great app and since Win 10 is coming sooner rather than later, it doesn't really make that much sense to dedicate countless man hours to solving this particular riddle. I'm just chiming in just in case my input elucidates something. Maybe not countless hours, but I do care. There is no reason for this poo poo to happen, and I take every crash/issue/whatever it is to heart. "I'll have to put up with crashes, otherwise I won't have an Awful app" is super lame and I really don't want anyone thinking that. I do want my apps, any app I work on, to be thought of as one of the "Good ones", a reason to use the platform. I figured out the other crashes, I'll get this one too. If not with 8.1, then I'll make drat sure it won't happen with 10. And honestly, while I'm not super happy every time I pop into this thread with something to get told "Oh by the way, X is broken", it's a lot better than getting "WHY THE gently caress DO YOU NOT HAVE THIS FEATURE, THE OFFICIAL APP DOES YOU SHITHEAD!" that I still hear from my PlayStation app. I stopped working on it because of all the poo poo people gave me about it. And I don't mean "I get a crash when I do X thing". I really do mean getting called names and being told I suck. That I suck for making a free app with no ads. That makes me not want to deal with this poo poo. You guys are much better than that. I'm happy to fix issues for this app. The other one? Yeah, not so much  .
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loquacius posted:I went from a 920 to a 640XL and performance actually seems higher. It's a newer phone with a quad-core processor, which makes a lot of difference. That's what I was looking for; older tech with current OS is usually somewhat annoying in my experience. I had a 2010 Android Tablet running Jelly Bean that was so much slower than standard smartphones in 2013. Guillermus posted:If money isn't a problem, the 640xl is your best bet. Is newer, has a good screen and nice color options. It isn't money that's an issue, more of deciding to wait for the newer flagship or not. I could buy a 640XL then sell it as soon as the 940XL comes out, but selling is always a bit of a hassle. Basch lives! fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Jul 14, 2015 |
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Jul 14, 2015 22:44
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To be quite honest I think enough patience to wait for WP10 to be released and more details about the phones to arrive is the wiser move here though.
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Jul 14, 2015 22:56
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Drastic Actions posted:Maybe not countless hours, but I do care. There is no reason for this poo poo to happen, and I take every crash/issue/whatever it is to heart. "I'll have to put up with crashes, otherwise I won't have an Awful app" is super lame and I really don't want anyone thinking that. I do want my apps, any app I work on, to be thought of as one of the "Good ones", a reason to use the platform. I figured out the other crashes, I'll get this one too. If not with 8.1, then I'll make drat sure it won't happen with 10. Please don't take my comment on weird app closings as a complaint! I would have used another app as an example but the awful app is pretty much the only one I use
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Drastic Actions posted:Maybe not countless hours, but I do care. There is no reason for this poo poo to happen, and I take every crash/issue/whatever it is to heart. "I'll have to put up with crashes, otherwise I won't have an Awful app" is super lame and I really don't want anyone thinking that. I do want my apps, any app I work on, to be thought of as one of the "Good ones", a reason to use the platform. I figured out the other crashes, I'll get this one too. If not with 8.1, then I'll make drat sure it won't happen with 10. Drastic, what would it be like if your app no longer used the WebViewer control? And instead it parsed the message text, and rendered it itself as a load of XAML elements? Then you could figure out your own optimal strategy for dealing with huge GIFs and youtubes (e.g. download the GIFs to disk, but only instantiate them off disk when you scroll then into view; render the youtube with a still image and display in a larger window when the user clicks on it).
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