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Displeased Moo Cow posted:Same but then I had some FUSH AND CHUPS it's not even friday you degenerate
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Jul 15, 2015 08:51
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Everyday is Friday in the glorious bay
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Jul 15, 2015 08:54
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Cops no one has jobs 
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Jul 15, 2015 08:54
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drat auto correct piece of poo poo
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Jul 15, 2015 10:18
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The Bay? The Hawkes Bay? I lived in Clive for a good decade, is Napier still a ghost town after 8?
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Jul 15, 2015 10:49
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Displeased Moo Cow posted:Cops no one has jobs *cries salty tears into gimblett gravels pinot*
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Jul 15, 2015 10:59
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Displeased Moo Cow posted:Andrew little on the other hand just doesn't like those Asians With the poo poo he's been saying and the lovely ways he's been justifying it I get this feeling like he was at a property auction and was this close to winning it and then some Asian guy with a phone put his hand up and just smashed his offer out of the park and he got really huffy about it Like seriously how do you assemble a chart where the point is "Boy these names sure sound a bit foreign" and think anything other than "Weird that I spent literally any time on this, even if I'm right I look like a massive racist, I should throw it away instead of signing my name to it" unless you're in the kind of mood where you'll seriously consider massive racial conspiracies I just don't think that "How about y'all gently caress off back to China" is a great policy for Labour to be focusing on right now
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Jul 15, 2015 11:59
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Again Labour is tone deaf but if you think that the Auckland property market is not being distorted by non residents in general and mainland Chinese in particular then just lol.
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Jul 15, 2015 12:27
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exmachina posted:Again Labour is tone deaf but if you think that the Auckland property market is not being distorted by non residents in general and mainland Chinese in particular then just lol. No one is saying that you retard we're saying that the study doesn't actually prove what is claimed because while you might be able to estimate race from surname the surname doesn't provide an indicator of residency / citizenship so it becomes a stick of fallacy to beat on any Chinese with be they local or from mainland China or any other place in the world
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Jul 15, 2015 12:31
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Nobody is for a poll tax or resident or citizens of Chinese descent 'going back to where they came from' but the amount of capital fleeing China at the moment is overwhelming this relatively small market. And somehow I don't think resident and citizen Chinese are buying houses at 3 or 4 times the rate of other ethnicities.
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Jul 15, 2015 12:32
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exmachina posted:Nobody is for a poll tax or resident or citizens of Chinese descent 'going back to where they came from' but the amount of capital fleeing China at the moment is overwhelming this relatively small market. And somehow I don't think resident and citizen Chinese are buying houses at 3 or 4 times the rate of other ethnicities. What who said anything about a poll tax or poo poo like that? I'm saying that the study that Labour draws a conclusion that the data doesn't support because of a whole host of reasons that Keith Ng wrote in his public address blog and be it unwitting or not, Labour essentially says that people of Chinese descent are to blame. Labour has doubled and tripled down on this by insisting that it's not racist and that it's a sound study but my god, look at the actual study! how can they say that it's not against citizens of Chinese descent on one hand while on the other hand the study doesn't actually determine residency/citizenship?
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Jul 15, 2015 12:41
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puchu posted:What who said anything about a poll tax or poo poo like that? I'm saying that the study that Labour draws a conclusion that the data doesn't support because of a whole host of reasons that Keith Ng wrote in his public address blog and be it unwitting or not, Labour essentially says that people of Chinese descent are to blame. Labour has doubled and tripled down on this by insisting that it's not racist and that it's a sound study but my god, look at the actual study! how can they say that it's not against citizens of Chinese descent on one hand while on the other hand the study doesn't actually determine residency/citizenship? Because everyone is refusing to actually collect the data that would prove the issue one way or the other. Like I said Labour did this wrong but only because the data we want is not being collected.
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Jul 15, 2015 13:54
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exmachina posted:Because everyone is refusing to actually collect the data that would prove the issue one way or the other. And because the data is wrong, that gives them an excuse to go out and gently caress up? Bullshit.
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Jul 15, 2015 14:32
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Labour did it wrong because they're loving idiots. They don't need data to prove the prevailing narrative - virtually nobody disputes that foreign investors are distorting Auckland's house prices due to our (when compared to other developed nations) extremely permissive foreign investment laws. They only "needed" that data to tie that narrative to the Yellow Menace of Crafar and beat Winston's drums of xenophobia: Foolishly thinking it could somehow lead to an outburst of popular support for needed law changes that they've been complicit in the absence of for decades. Ghostlight fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Jul 15, 2015 |
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Jul 15, 2015 14:39
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A human heart posted:National aren't even vaguely in the same ballpark as any kind of fascist party, and it's stupid to call them that. That's the joke, dude. puchu posted:I dunno I guess it depends if you prefer constructive (lol) political dialogue or yelling in to the endless cyber nether. I prefer pornography myself. You're never going to get constructive political dialogue with someone who's in the youth branch of whatever party they support, but I think everyone has to agree the YoungNats are particularly insufferable, more so than ACT on campus or the young Green people who never bothered to work out how representative democracy is meant to function. El Pollo Blanco fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Jul 15, 2015 |
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Jul 15, 2015 18:57
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fwiw this bullshit came from Phil Twyford. The caucus and membership were pretty divided over it. Not that it makes much difference
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Jul 15, 2015 21:41
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exmachina posted:Because everyone is refusing to actually collect the data that would prove the issue one way or the other. What Labour did was to remind every Asian New Zealander that they're not a real New Zealander. It makes people bitter. exmachina posted:And somehow I don't think resident and citizen Chinese are buying houses at 3 or 4 times the rate of other ethnicities. Why not? Maori and Pacific Islanders are buying at rates far lower than their population, you could probably determine from that that race based house buying data isn't going to be identical to population figures? Also Labour is referring to the estate agent that leaked the data as a "Whistle Blower". As if something was deeply wrong about people with Asian names buying houses and the public needed to know. It totally wasn't just a case of someone leaking private data (the names of all their customers!) to a 3rd party without permission, completely breaching existing privacy laws? NZAmoeba fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Jul 15, 2015 |
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Jul 15, 2015 23:17
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NZ politics is like the world's worst sports team winning every match because they're up against the special olympics under-sixteens squad. National 'earn' popularity simply by being less blatantly inept and self-defeating than labour, not by actually being good at anything as far as I can tell.
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Jul 15, 2015 23:21
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NZAmoeba posted:. It totally wasn't just a case of someone leaking private data (the names of all their customers!) to a 3rd party without permission, completely breaching existing privacy laws? It's not private data, that data is/will be available through local government via QV. I'll be fascinated at how the next poll looks. Up or down people - is this going to boost or sink em?
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Jul 15, 2015 23:23
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Thought popped into my head this morning... if Chinese investors in particular were such a big deal, shouldn't we be seeing a bunch of extra houses going for sale due to the Chinese stock market correction?
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Jul 15, 2015 23:27
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No, since that is already safe money. They went to a lot of trouble getting that money out, why would they bring it back in. Besides, the real damage in the stocks over there is being done to the small retail "Investors" who were ploughing money into the system since it doesn't have anywhere else to go especially for such relatively same amounts individually although a fortune for the individual.
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Jul 15, 2015 23:40
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The whole point of investing in another country is that it keeps your money out of your own economy.dusty posted:It's not private data, that data is/will be available through local government via QV. It will end much like every attempt that Labour makes to move Right and get the voters that the Herald is constantly promising are right there for them to take if only they were more centrist - they will pick up zero or a negligible amount of voters from the center while bleeding from the left-side of their constituents.
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Jul 15, 2015 23:49
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Remember how last week Labour won the debate on rental housing fitness? And instead of taking advantage of that, it took them TWO DAYS to gently caress up again?
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Jul 16, 2015 02:35
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Don't worry, the milk oversupply will sort itself out because the global population is growing https://twitter.com/FrancesCook/status/621481674535112704
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Jul 16, 2015 02:42
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The person who leaked the housing data didn't leak it to Labour. And he's a racist: 
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Jul 16, 2015 05:15
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I hope someone rakes Phil Twyford over the loving coals about him trying to claim protection of his source considering he doesn't have the same legal immunities granted to journalists and wouldn't even qualify for them if he were due to the purpose for which he used the information.
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Jul 16, 2015 05:58
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I like the bit about confidential information at the bottom of the email
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Jul 16, 2015 06:07
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Ghostlight posted:I hope someone rakes Phil Twyford over the loving coals about him trying to claim protection of his source considering he doesn't have the same legal immunities granted to journalists and wouldn't even qualify for them if he were due to the purpose for which he used the information. He should set up a political blog
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Jul 16, 2015 06:08
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It didn't work for WhaleOil 
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Jul 16, 2015 06:25
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http://publicaddress.net/speaker/house-buying-patterns-in-auckland/ Rob Salmond from PA, same site as Keith Ng made his original critique of the Twyford data, has made my point much better than I could have. quote:House-buying patterns in Auckland quote:Do Chinese Aucklanders just like buying houses? exmachina fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Jul 16, 2015 |
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Jul 16, 2015 06:42
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My question is who gives a gently caress who is buying houses in Auckland? Or anywhere?
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Jul 16, 2015 06:45
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People who want to shift the blame for house prices from long-term mismanagement of the market by the central government to "ethnically Chinese", and those who want to leverage racist responses to "ethnically Chinese" in order to push central government into actually managing a market for once.
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Jul 16, 2015 06:51
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I like Chinese people, they make good westernised Chinese food and good fish and chips. imagine life without being able to get buffet sweet and sour pork.
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Jul 16, 2015 06:54
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Our FUSH and chup shop is run by a lovely Indian family. The head of the family is called Raj and he drinks in the local pub sometimes and plays darts.
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Jul 16, 2015 06:59
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Everyone loves the Chinese, it's just that if they want to buy AR HOUSES then they should have good "ethnically European" names like Rommel or Hitler.
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Jul 16, 2015 07:02
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Xi Hitler is a pretty good name, tbh
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Jul 16, 2015 07:03
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I like how Salmond conflates income with wealth, access to capital and the fact that it's pretty hard to settle here unless you have stacks of cash to begin with or a skillset that's massively in demand. Seriously ask yourself if you would be giving National this much benefit of the doubt if they'd tried to float this horseshit.
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Jul 16, 2015 07:22
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what made labour stop banging the "well-enforced capital gains tax" drum and start banging the "loving chinese" drum?
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Jul 16, 2015 07:44
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focal ischemia posted:what made labour stop banging the "well-enforced capital gains tax" drum and start banging the "loving chinese" drum? My hypothesis: Labour got a new backer who's really into property investment.
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Jul 16, 2015 07:48
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focal ischemia posted:what made labour stop banging the "well-enforced capital gains tax" drum and start banging the "loving chinese" drum? well capital gains tax is political suicide, but nzers are mostly racist and xenophobic so I guess they tried it on
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