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savinhill
Mar 28, 2010

Enfys posted:

That is just not a sentence I would have ever imagined reading.

War and Peace is sexy

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Paper With Lines
Aug 21, 2013

The snozzberries taste like snozzberries!
I just finished Franzen's Corrections and really liked the children characters, but hated the parents until the last 100-150 pages or so. I assume he did this on purpose.

I do think that I enjoyed Strong Motion a lot more and Freedom a bit more. I don't mean this in a hostile way, but why does The Corrections get the most praise?

TV Zombie
Sep 6, 2011

Burying all the trauma from past nights
Burying my anger in the past

Getting through Patrick Rothfuss' second book of his King Killer trilogy: A Wise Man's Fear and it was just a slog to get through. It definitely didn't feel as brisk as the first book and I hated how the protagonist went on two detours from his original quest. Just felt like it made the book longer than it needed to be.

Juanito
Jan 20, 2004

I wasn't paying attention
to what you just said.

Can you repeat yourself
in a more interesting way?
Hell Gem
Depressing, but interesting read about Harper Lee.

What Does Harper Lee Want?
http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-harper-lee-go-set-a-watchman/

Mycroft Holmes
Mar 26, 2010

by Azathoth
Why does post-apocalyptic fiction seem to be overrun with right-wing weirdos? Nobody writes leftist survivalist fiction anymore. There used to be bunches of them: Alas, Babylon , No Blade of Grass, Earth Abides, all sorts of others. Now all you see is right-wing dreck.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

Is a man not entitled to the haw of his maw?
Grimey Drawer
Left wing is less violent and therefore less of an "airport fiction" read. Right wing is all about DEM ZOMBIES AND PEOPLE WHAT WANNA STEAL MY STUFF I GOTS TA KILL EM OR GO ON A MISSION TA SAVE MAH FAMILY.

Basically, left wing is built more towards world building and cooperation, right wing it built more towards explosions and RIGHTEOUS VENGEANCE AGIN THEM (insert whatever group here).

Guess which audience is WAY easier to shoot for? (pardon the pun)

savinhill
Mar 28, 2010

Mycroft Holmes posted:

Why does post-apocalyptic fiction seem to be overrun with right-wing weirdos? Nobody writes leftist survivalist fiction anymore. There used to be bunches of them: Alas, Babylon , No Blade of Grass, Earth Abides, all sorts of others. Now all you see is right-wing dreck.

There's been some good post apocalyptic books from the past few years that, while I don't know if I'd consider them leftist, are far from right wing. Will McIntosh's Soft Apocalypse, Darin Bradley's Chimpanzee & Noise, Emily St John's Station Eleven, and Benjamin Percy's Dead Lands are some I can remember off the top of my head that are well worth reading.

elbow
Jun 7, 2006

The Guardian did an article a while ago about how YA post-apocalyptic/dystopian fiction has been more right wing in recent years: http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/sep/01/ya-dystopias-children-free-market-hunger-games-the-giver-divergent

There's also this article about how post-apocalyptic fiction has changed over the past 10 years: http://io9.com/heres-how-apocalyptic-fiction-has-changed-over-the-last-1690727744

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Paper With Lines posted:

I just finished Franzen's Corrections and really liked the children characters, but hated the parents until the last 100-150 pages or so. I assume he did this on purpose.

I do think that I enjoyed Strong Motion a lot more and Freedom a bit more. I don't mean this in a hostile way, but why does The Corrections get the most praise?

I've read it a couple of times and I hate a different character the most each time, it's great. I think the only one I haven't hated yet is Denise. It reminds me a little of Good as Gold & Something Happened (Joseph Heller) in that I hate the characters but like the book. I liked it better than Freedom, but I dunno if that's cause I read The Corrections first.

Klaus88
Jan 23, 2011

Violence has its own economy, therefore be thoughtful and precise in your investment

Mycroft Holmes posted:

Why does post-apocalyptic fiction seem to be overrun with right-wing weirdos? Nobody writes leftist survivalist fiction anymore. There used to be bunches of them: Alas, Babylon , No Blade of Grass, Earth Abides, all sorts of others. Now all you see is right-wing dreck.

Sup just experienced the horrors of post-apocalyptic right-wing fiction and was horrified by it buddy. :smith::hf::smith:

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment

Grimey Drawer
(Wrong Thread, sorry)

Franchescanado fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Jul 15, 2015

Walh Hara
May 11, 2012

Mycroft Holmes posted:

Why does post-apocalyptic fiction seem to be overrun with right-wing weirdos? Nobody writes leftist survivalist fiction anymore. There used to be bunches of them: Alas, Babylon , No Blade of Grass, Earth Abides, all sorts of others. Now all you see is right-wing dreck.

Isn't Paolo Bacigalupi quite left wing? Mega corporations destroying Earth/the environment due to sheer greed is a common element in his dystopian books (Pump Six and Other Stories, The Water Knife, The Windup Girl, maybe others as well).

Funky Bunkbed
Jul 27, 2007
You are now.
I am struggling to remember a trilogy of books that I read and I'm hoping you fine folks can help me! I've tried Googling but I'm so vague on the details that I'm not helping myself out, so I understand if no one can help. :)

I must've read this entire trilogy...perhaps five or six years ago (so all of the books had been released by then). Here's where my details get kinda fuzzy, and I bet I sound like a jackass. It's about a guy living in a big city (wanna say it's out in California) who falls in with a group of rough gangsters. He gets plastic surgery (ordered by the mob) at one point in the first book to conceal his identity. Has to do a bunch of shady stuff or they'll kill him/the girl he loves. The trilogy ends with him taking out the boss and dying simultaneously.

I remember it being a fun, flippant kinda read, and it only took me a few days. I read it on someone else's Kindle and (obviously, right?) failed to note the name of the trilogy. Or the individual books. Or even a character's name. Essentially, all of the important info.

I know I haven't given much to go on. Appreciate any help if you have any clue what I'm talking about, though! Thanks!

Enfys
Feb 17, 2013

The ocean is calling and I must go

TV Zombie posted:

Getting through Patrick Rothfuss' second book of his King Killer trilogy: A Wise Man's Fear and it was just a slog to get through. It definitely didn't feel as brisk as the first book and I hated how the protagonist went on two detours from his original quest. Just felt like it made the book longer than it needed to be.

I could barely put the first one down, but I've been struggling to finish the second for months. I feel bad as a friend gave it to me as a gift, but I keep looking at it and then putting it down in favour of a different book. So far it feels very same-y

SkaAndScreenplays
Dec 11, 2013

by Pragmatica

Mycroft Holmes posted:

Why does post-apocalyptic fiction seem to be overrun with right-wing weirdos? Nobody writes leftist survivalist fiction anymore. There used to be bunches of them: Alas, Babylon , No Blade of Grass, Earth Abides, all sorts of others. Now all you see is right-wing dreck.

As someone who listens to Conservative Talk Radio quite frequently (formerly for reals, now mostly for lulz) there's a fairly large movement on the right that involves trying to get more conservatives in art and popular media. It's really weird.

Stravinsky
May 31, 2011

There used to be the thought that there needs to be a huge upheaval to bring about things like socialism (revolution, natural disaster, wars) to upend the current status quo to make it happen. Now the reverse has happened where the right wing feels like there needs to be some sort of sudden shocking event to upset the status quo to get back to a more pure society of their own ideological state.

Can of Cloud
May 20, 2010
I started reading The Shadow in the Wind. Pretty interesting so far. Has anyone read it? I also noticed that the author wrote both a prequel and a sequel to the novel later on. Thoughts?

hope and vaseline
Feb 13, 2001

Can of Cloud posted:

I started reading The Shadow in the Wind. Pretty interesting so far. Has anyone read it? I also noticed that the author wrote both a prequel and a sequel to the novel later on. Thoughts?

I love the series. The next book is a little frustrating because it throws you off by having an unreliable narrator but is pretty satisfying on its own. The third feels a little rushed as it does a decent enough job tying the previous two together but is more setup for the final act.

pakman
Jun 27, 2011

So having played The Witcher games on the pc, I knew they were based off some Polish fantasy novels, and I put one of them on my Amazon wishlist ages ago hearing that the novels were really quite good. Has anyone actually read them? Are they just generic fantasy? How much gets lost in translation? Also, what order do the books go in as it seems that when I look on Wikipedia it says one thing, but on Amazon it seems to say another?

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

pakman posted:

So having played The Witcher games on the pc, I knew they were based off some Polish fantasy novels, and I put one of them on my Amazon wishlist ages ago hearing that the novels were really quite good. Has anyone actually read them? Are they just generic fantasy? How much gets lost in translation? Also, what order do the books go in as it seems that when I look on Wikipedia it says one thing, but on Amazon it seems to say another?
I don't know anything about the English translation, but they're pretty good. It's a low fantasy written before grimdark became the standard for the genre, and it draws heavily from fairy tales and Slavic folklore, as well as subverting a lot of fantasy tropes. The first short stories are a bit rough around the edges but it gets better and there's a lot of surprises along the way.

edit: The writing and the humor remind me a fair bit of Joe Abercrombie, if it helps.

SkaAndScreenplays
Dec 11, 2013

by Pragmatica
This is the coolest thing I have read so far today.

blue squares
Sep 28, 2007


Saw Ayn Rand, closed tab

Mr. Squishy
Mar 22, 2010

A country where you can always get richer.
Once to get publishers to stop sending him books to give a blurb to, he soaked his review copy in wood glue and sent it back to their offices payment on delivery

blue squares posted:

Saw Ayn Rand, closed tab

Lol if you got past George Orwel. Or, indeed, the intro. Or the url.

Mr. Squishy fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Jul 15, 2015

Ras Het
May 23, 2007

when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.
That list makes perfect sense.

blue squares
Sep 28, 2007

What's your problem with Orwell?

Ras Het
May 23, 2007

when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

blue squares posted:

What's your problem with Orwell?

1) fairytale level stories for children somehow taken absurdly seriously by adults
2) idiot macho bellend tory
3) genuinely stupid opinions about language and writing
4) snitch
5) condescending class tourist

blue squares
Sep 28, 2007

well my opinion of Orwell comes from reading Animal Farm and 1984 as a child, so I think he's pretty dope.

Stravinsky
May 31, 2011

Its a hunter s thompson list so its was going to be poo poo no matter what.

Anybody read Ta-Nehisi Coates latest book yet? Is it worth picking up?

Chronic Reagan
Oct 13, 2000

pictures of plastic men
Fun Shoe
May not be the best place to drop this question, but does anyone have any suggestions for iPad apps for reading .pdfs? Largely going to use this for work-related reading, but I've got a few things I've gotten from a Humble Bundle deal, and some gaming stuff.

Don't know if I give a poo poo about annotation. Mostly I want to be able to easily add files to a library and have the app keep my place when I read it.

What I have tried -
iBooks - doesn't seem to work for me. Library management seems to be the issue, and iBooks/iTunes not recognizing a file as a 'book'.

Kindle - works for what I want it to do, but the process of getting a file into your library is a pain in the rear end.

Have had Goodreader and Notability suggested. Goodreader is only a buck, seems like a reasonable choice, but looking for confirmation or other suggestions.

Mahlertov Cocktail
Mar 1, 2010

I ate your Mahler avatar! Hahahaha!

FoldOgey posted:

Kindle - works for what I want it to do, but the process of getting a file into your library is a pain in the rear end.

Really? You just have to drop it into the documents folder, how is that a pain in the rear end?

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
I think Calibre takes them too.

Chronic Reagan
Oct 13, 2000

pictures of plastic men
Fun Shoe

Mahlertov Cocktail posted:

Really? You just have to drop it into the documents folder, how is that a pain in the rear end?

This is for reading via iPad. I've used a kindle reader in the past, and yes, it does work that way. Unless I'm an idiot and there's a way to add files into the app via iTunes (not discounting that). What I've been doing is emailing the files to the @kindle.com address associated with my iPad, which I don't remember (since I do this infrequently) and have to look it up every time.

Mahlertov Cocktail
Mar 1, 2010

I ate your Mahler avatar! Hahahaha!

FoldOgey posted:

This is for reading via iPad. I've used a kindle reader in the past, and yes, it does work that way. Unless I'm an idiot and there's a way to add files into the app via iTunes (not discounting that). What I've been doing is emailing the files to the @kindle.com address associated with my iPad, which I don't remember (since I do this infrequently) and have to look it up every time.

Ahh sorry, I misunderstood that part of your post. Putting PDFs on an actual Kindle device is easy as anything, but I have no experience with doing the same on an iPad app.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

blue squares posted:

What's your problem with Orwell?

One time Wyndham Lewis said that Orwell would have been in the SS if he'd been born in Germany, which is a cool bit of ownage.

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment

Grimey Drawer

Mahlertov Cocktail posted:

Ahh sorry, I misunderstood that part of your post. Putting PDFs on an actual Kindle device is easy as anything, but I have no experience with doing the same on an iPad app.

You can log into your Amazon account and look at recent purchases and go to "Kindle orders". Choose the book, and click "Actions" and it will give you the option to "Deliver". Click that, and it will let you choose any device "Android Phone, iPad, etc." that is linked to your account. Then just send it.

When you order a kindle book, instead of clicking the "1 Click Purchase", it gives you a drop down menu to choose which device you can send it to first, and then purchase it. You can practice with free books if you want to get the hang of it.

From the iPad app, you can just search the book and click "Purchase". It will see that you've already bought it and just ask if you want it delivered to that device.

So, three options for you.

Kindle has been the easiest eReader app I've used because there are so many ways of fixing it.

Paper With Lines
Aug 21, 2013

The snozzberries taste like snozzberries!

Snapchat A Titty posted:

I've read it a couple of times and I hate a different character the most each time, it's great. I think the only one I haven't hated yet is Denise. It reminds me a little of Good as Gold & Something Happened (Joseph Heller) in that I hate the characters but like the book. I liked it better than Freedom, but I dunno if that's cause I read The Corrections first.

This is interesting. I love Denise. I especially love the part towards the end where it describes her divorce and then her hate/love/seduction relationship with Brian and Robin. But. But. I never hated either of the other Lambert kids. Gary seemed to be a douche but he tried (and his wife was awful) and the same seems to be true for Chip, but for different reasons.

What were the factors that made you dislike Gary and Chip? Especially Chip? Chip just seems to be a little hashtag yolo all the time -- which I thought was endearing.

edit: w/r/t Chip: He seemed yolo until the end when he hung out with his dad weekly and had that moment where his dad kind of asked Chip to kill him and Chip, knowing what his dad was saying, refused.

Paper With Lines fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Jul 16, 2015

UltimoDragonQuest
Oct 5, 2011



Stravinsky posted:

Anybody read Ta-Nehisi Coates latest book yet? Is it worth picking up?
It's good but not mindblowing.
If you've paid attention for the last few year you know the major beats.

SkaAndScreenplays
Dec 11, 2013

by Pragmatica

blue squares posted:

Saw Ayn Rand, closed tab

I mostly like this just for the way it describes the things he likes.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Paper With Lines posted:

This is interesting. I love Denise. I especially love the part towards the end where it describes her divorce and then her hate/love/seduction relationship with Brian and Robin. But. But. I never hated either of the other Lambert kids. Gary seemed to be a douche but he tried (and his wife was awful) and the same seems to be true for Chip, but for different reasons.

What were the factors that made you dislike Gary and Chip? Especially Chip? Chip just seems to be a little hashtag yolo all the time -- which I thought was endearing.

edit: w/r/t Chip: He seemed yolo until the end when he hung out with his dad weekly and had that moment where his dad kind of asked Chip to kill him and Chip, knowing what his dad was saying, refused.

I guess it's mostly just Chip & Gary that I hate, the parents aren't bad except for having old people opinions on stuff. Probably part of it is the brothers are both super insecure and remind me of the bad parts of myself. Gary is depressed as gently caress and paranoid, his wife is actually pretty reasonable when you consider how he's acting around her and the children, constantly trying to fight her and become the favorite parent. Chip covers his insecurities with ridiculous poo poo like having coeds do ritalin (or something, I forgot) off his dick, and constantly blowing away all his money, basically whole #yolo poo poo you mention. They do have good sides of course, but they mostly come out at the end.

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Quandary
Jan 29, 2008
I'm about halfway through Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell right now and its really really good and everyone should read it. Fantasy for people who read at above an 8th grade reading level and appreciate characterization.

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