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AdjectiveNoun posted:From my study of Medieval Islamic History, I don't think Shi'ites are opposed to the idea of a Caliphate, per se; the initial split with Sunnis came over disagreements over the line of succession within the Caliphate, though it seems that it's generally been more common for Shia to use the term 'Imam' to denote the leader of a Caliphate-style society, focusing on the spiritual side of their leadership rather than the secular. Specifically, though, I was asking if Hannity's claim that Iran wants a Caliphate was ridiculous because: A. Shias don't believe in a Caliph as leader of the Muslim community, they believe in an Imam B. The Imam in the Twelver branch that is the majority in Iran is in occultation Obviously, just an academic exercise. If Sean Hannity had taken a college level intro to Islam course, he wouldn't be the Sean we know and love.
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twistedmentat posted:Yea, Left Behind is a messed up book. ACORN was cleared after the video O'Keefe produced was proven to be bullshit, but that didn't discredit anything. O'Keefe's reputation can't get any worse, and the people who agree with him don't care what liberal organizations like the courts and law enforcement think. Also, don't give them ideas.
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Jul 16, 2015 02:53
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twistedmentat posted:I mean, where does it stop? Do they make a grainy video of a guy that looks like Obama enough murdering a white child and drinking its blood? I don't know where it ends, but I hope it's after I get to see that video.
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Jul 16, 2015 02:53
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The media is more interested in controversy than reality. Sucks so many people have to suffer for it.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Hopefully someone stabs O'Keefe and his cameraman when they try to do a "sting" to prove all welfare users are on crack or whatever the gently caress and everyone just takes a little too long to call 911 for them to survive. Wow, way to assume people on welfare carry knives and will stab you if you cross them.
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Jul 16, 2015 03:01
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Republicans posted:Wow, way to assume people on welfare carry knives and will stab you if you cross them. They wouldn't be actual people on welfare on course, given his history they'd probably be actors he's paying poo poo money to pretend.
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SalTheBard posted:This PP thing is turning into ACORN V2 It's cool that the super liberal huffpo takes nearly five full paragraphs to get to the part where the entire pretense of the video is false.
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Jul 16, 2015 03:05
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O'Reilly tries to play gotcha with SF city officials. I love this city sometimes. http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/san-francisco-officials-brush-off-fox-youre-not-a-reporter-fox-news-is-not-real-news
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Jul 16, 2015 03:06
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Okeefe is already discredited, you're just overestimating how much that means to RWM and its fans.
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Jul 16, 2015 03:15
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climboutonalimb posted:O'Reilly tries to play gotcha with SF city officials. I love this city sometimes. I love Billo's title card: "supervisor attacks the messenger"
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climboutonalimb posted:O'Reilly tries to play gotcha with SF city officials. I love this city sometimes. I saw this a few times on Facebook before you mentioned it which is quite impressive. What's also impressive is that they're making this into another Benghazi situation with the whole "WHAT REALLY HAPPENED!?" They're really going all-in with their pocket 2-7 on this one.
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One of the politically loonier people on my Facebook linked to a state senator's post calling for investigation. The comments, uh, took a weird turn:quote:This has been going on for a while, the government knows about it, and this is timed just right...to draw attention to this issue so we'll not see the USA being groomed for martial law. Wake up, America!!
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Phone posted:They're really going all-in with their pocket 2-7 on this one. It's good for them because it takes heat off things that look bad like the Confederate flag stuff.
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Jul 16, 2015 03:56
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site posted:It's good for them because it takes heat off things that look bad like the Confederate flag stuff. What are you talking about? That's the flag of the Democrats.
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RC and Moon Pie posted:One of the politically loonier people on my Facebook linked to a state senator's post calling for investigation. The comments, uh, took a weird turn: *snort jerks awake* I'm sorry, what was supposed to rouse America this time? They've been screaming at us for the better for of two decades about "LURKING IMPENDING THREAT" and it is all background noise now.
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Jesus Christ, poo poo or get off the pot conspiracy nuts. You don't get to "ANY DAY NOW" this stuff for decades and expect people to keep taking you seriously. If anyone needs to wake up, it's y'all.
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Ahahaha, O'Reilly tried to pin the increase in food stamp recipients on Obama and it loving backfires when the reporter he had on points out the stagnancy in wages despite a stronger economy so he tries covering his rear end by tying it back to Obama. Hot Christ how can anyone stand this guy?
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Sir Tonk posted:Jesus Christ, poo poo or get off the pot conspiracy nuts. You don't get to "ANY DAY NOW" this stuff for decades and expect people to keep taking you seriously. If anyone needs to wake up, it's y'all. No see, it's always true, but brave people who bring such plans to light mess with the conditions needed for full UN takeover, so that the plans always have to be deferred or canceled. Also, I hope O'Keefe and his associates have their skin slogh off before they drown in their own bile. Just putting that out there.
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Dr. Killjoy posted:Ahahaha, O'Reilly tried to pin the increase in food stamp recipients on Obama and it loving backfires when the reporter he had on points out the stagnancy in wages despite a stronger economy so he tries covering his rear end by tying it back to Obama. Hot Christ how can anyone stand this guy? It's exactly what O'Reilly watchers believe. O'Reilly made that reporter look like an idiot by pointing out how it was all Obama's fault in the first place. O'Reilly is almost infallible, I (not ironically) think it has a lot to do with the "no spin zone" slogan. Obama bad. Mister Adequate posted:No see, it's always true, but brave people who bring such plans to light mess with the conditions needed for full UN takeover, so that the plans always have to be deferred or canceled. It's important to note that the only reason the conspiracy fails is that the conspiracy theorists upset the plans. When Jade Helm doesn't end in a UN invasion of Real America it'll be because heroes like Ted Cruz just barely frustrated their plans. It's a little like creation-evolution debates. You can't prove it wrong, because for the audience the act of proving it wrong itself is more evidence in favor. Also Megyn Kelly shut down a guest debunking the Planned Parenthood video with "you're wrong," no further explanation 
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Okeefe is already discredited, you're just overestimating how much that means to RWM and its fans. Made toxic where no one would come near him then?
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Jul 16, 2015 05:24
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Man doesn't Fox News screen their guests better in the off-chance they'll actually disagree with them on air and interrupt the party line with actual discussion?
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William Bear posted:Specifically, though, I was asking if Hannity's claim that Iran wants a Caliphate was ridiculous because: The majority of Shias consider themselves quietists, often following the statements of Grand Ayatollah Ali al Sistani. The quietists are of the opinion that no mere mortal can establish rulership over the Shia, which is why they are waiting for the twelfth imam to show up and lead them. They will obviously fight as necessary, but I've yet to hear any Shia leader espouse any desire to establish anything related to a global caliphate. So Hannity's claim is absurd, particularly as Iran has never shown itself to be anything other than a rational actor in foreign policy, and doesn't show any interest in world domination. There was one interesting Twelver cult that called themselves the "soldiers of the sky." They believed that by committing violent acts they could bring about the end of the world and force the twelfth Imam to reveal himself. I'm not sure they are still around, but they are the closest thing to Hannity's fears.
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If anything Saudi Arabia fits the bill better, because they've been extremely aggressive at spreading Wahhabism through any means necessary, including funding ultraconservative terrorism.
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site posted:It's good for them because it takes heat off things that look bad like the Confederate flag stuff. which takes the heat off the shooting and church burnings
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William Bear posted:Specifically, though, I was asking if Hannity's claim that Iran wants a Caliphate was ridiculous because: It's complicated - there was a Shi'a Caliphate under the Fatamid dynasty, controlling Egypt and most of the Levant, but they were Ismali Shia, not Twelvers like modern Iranians. The Fatamid Caliphate fell apart in the twelfth century, and there really wasn't a powerful Shia state after that until the Safavids rose to power in Persia in the sixteenth century, and by that point, the idea of a Caliphate wasn't anywhere as important to Muslim political philosophy - the Abbasids had been basically a joke for centuries, and while the Ottomans claimed the title, they never really did much with it. But basically, yeah, you're right - the Imams are Muhammad's spiritual heirs, so even when there was a Shia claimant to the Caliphate, they didn't have the same authority as they would under Sunni doctrine. And since Shi'a Islam in Iran developed during a period where the title of Caliph wasn't particularly relevant or prestigious, the concept isn't really an important part of the modern Twelver philosophy.
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site posted:It's good for them because it takes heat off things that look bad like the Confederate flag stuff. Don't worry, they'll find a way to bring it back.  quote:OKLAHOMA CITY – Confederate battle flags greeted President Barack Obama as he arrived here for an overnight stay on Wednesday.
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Epic High Five posted:Man doesn't Fox News screen their guests better in the off-chance they'll actually disagree with them on air and interrupt the party line with actual discussion? O'Reilly's show isn't live, so they get to do all the editing needed to make sure he gets countered every so often, but always wins in the end! Leofish posted:Don't worry, they'll find a way to bring it back. Does every state have their own personal Uncle Ruckus?
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Every time I see stories like these, I get more and more depressed  Regarding James O'Keefe: I know that he got arrested for trying to wiretap a senator's office, but I read that he only got probation. How on earth is that possible? How was he not thrown in even a minimum security prison for that?
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fart blood posted:Every time I see stories like these, I get more and more depressed He didn't do anything dangerous like have a couple grams of weed on his person so he got a slap on the wrist
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Epic High Five posted:He didn't do anything dangerous like have a couple grams of weed on his person so he got a slap on the wrist He's also white. Which probably helped out too.
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Jul 16, 2015 15:06
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fart blood posted:Every time I see stories like these, I get more and more depressed It was a joke! He was just joshing around! You know that classic prank of wiretapping a sitting senator, it's like right up there with tying someone's shoe laces together.
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climboutonalimb posted:O'Reilly tries to play gotcha with SF city officials. I love this city sometimes. "You're not real news" shouldn't be a controversial statement for Fox since they argued that very thing in court during the Jane Akre trial.
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http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/breaking_duggar_family_s_19_kids_and_counting_officially_canceled_by_tlc Its official. 19 and Counting is dead, like we all knew it would be.
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Drastic Actions posted:He's also white. Which probably helped out too. It's probably mostly Team Politics. Also I think his daddy has some minor money/political pull.
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Oops, nevermind, I'm completely wrong.
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Epic High Five posted:Man doesn't Fox News screen their guests better in the off-chance they'll actually disagree with them on air and interrupt the party line with actual discussion? It's no big deal if they disagree. Fox isn't trying to change the minds of people who rationally evaluate arguments, they're trying to appeal to Fox News viewers. When right-wing hosts shout over guests and respond to a reasoned counter argument with "no" their audience eats that right up. You have to remember that when a guest comes on, explains why the host is wrong about something, and the host calls them an idiot, that is absolutely a win for the host.
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Honestly anyone that goes on a Fox News show with an opinion opposing whatever the standard GOP line is is just asking for that sort of thing and I'm not really sure what they expect to do. The only ones I can really think of that got the better of them were those dudes that just went "YOU MAD!" and treated O'Reilly with the respect he deserves (none).
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CommieGIR posted:http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/breaking_duggar_family_s_19_kids_and_counting_officially_canceled_by_tlc I had a moment of panic when I saw the url "thenewcivilrightsmovement" and "19 and counting dead".
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CommieGIR posted:http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/breaking_duggar_family_s_19_kids_and_counting_officially_canceled_by_tlc Periodiko posted:I had a moment of panic when I saw the url "thenewcivilrightsmovement" and "19 and counting dead". Same here. I thought we had another Charleston or something.
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