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PleasantDirge posted:And Narsetwalker pre-ordered at $50 and is now $10... I only paid 20 for my Narset's and I still believe that she's going to be good at some point while she's in Standard. I played her in Jeskai and she was very good. I just can't see Liliana or Jace being good.
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Have you guys used pucatrade before? May try to swap my kytheons for Jace or something, seemed like a good way to do it. Good experiences?
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Dohaeris posted:Have you guys used pucatrade before? May try to swap my kytheons for Jace or something, seemed like a good way to do it. Good experiences? I've transferred over $1500 of cards in and out using Pucatrade. I've never had any significant issue. You essentially have to run a page monitor plugin to move any cards, however, as cards get picked up by people wanting to earn credit in under 10 seconds.
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mcmagic posted:I only paid 20 for my Narset's and I still believe that she's going to be good at some point while she's in Standard. I played her in Jeskai and she was very good. I just can't see Liliana or Jace being good. I don't know about Lili beyond Modern as a CoCo one-of maybe, but it's not hard to find a place for Jace. It'll depend what's in BFZ but card selection is powerful, and having a real card advantage ability on top of that is strong for a standard two drop.
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TheKingofSprings posted:I don't know about Lili beyond Modern as a CoCo one-of maybe, but it's not hard to find a place for Jace. It'll depend what's in BFZ but card selection is powerful, and having a real card advantage ability on top of that is strong for a standard two drop. Honestly, I could see Jace in a Jeskai Ascendancy deck. You get two loots per spell and can flashback another spell to further pump your tokens/weenies.
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AlternateNu posted:Honestly, I could see Jace in a Jeskai Ascendancy deck. You get two loots per spell and can flashback another spell to further pump your tokens/weenies. You can do that once or twice and then Jace Flips and becomes even worse than an 0/2 Looter for 2.
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mcmagic posted:I only paid 20 for my Narset's and I still believe that she's going to be good at some point while she's in Standard. I played her in Jeskai and she was very good. I just can't see Liliana or Jace being good. Liliana I think might turn out to be good if we get something even halfway efficient for sacrifice, either something with "sac me: get something worthwhile" or an innocent blood type spell. If not, she might see play beside Sidisi and some of the better exploit creatures or possibly even a Bx aggro deck for disruption/recursion.
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PleasantDirge posted:It's not even you McMagic, it's the last three pages of pointless super standard speculation that have been slowly killing us all like a Co2 leak.
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Angry Grimace posted:Yes, let us stop discussing Magic: the Gathering in the Magic: the Gathering thread so we can return to talking about rapists or whatever insane person topic you think should be going on the day before a new Standard-legal set releases. Rare re-drafting, great way to to draft prize out or greatest way to do draft pay out?
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Madmarker posted:Rare re-drafting, great way to to draft prize out or greatest way to do draft pay out? 10/10 would read troll posts from again.
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Magic drama produces more fun content than talking about magic ever will. I mean if we could get this much drama in the x wangs thread id be all over it too. For now we can behold the glory of games workshop crumbling. 
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Chill la Chill posted:For now we can behold the glory of games workshop crumbling. Wait whut? I'm about to pass out but I look forward to the response and/or other forum links in the morning. Sounds interesting.
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Would this be too powerful? RRR Instant ~ deals 2 damage to each creature. If a creature dealt damage by ~ would die this turn, exile it instead.
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AlternateNu posted:Would this be too powerful? My guess is that it would be 1RRR just because they don't print many instant speed sweepers.
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Dohaeris posted:Have you guys used pucatrade before? May try to swap my kytheons for Jace or something, seemed like a good way to do it. Good experiences?
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AlternateNu posted:Would this be too powerful? 1 less damage on Anger of the Gods to make it instant? It would be good but they probably wouldn't print it because Sorcery speed sweepers play better.
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So, if I decide to ruin my life and finances and get into this poo poo for reals. Unlike the other dude, I did a pre-release last week and that was fun. I would like to maybe work my way up to having a decent Standard deck, and I realize that there's a set rotation in progress so is it a legit idea to just start by buying like an Origins Fat Pack for the land and some base cards, maybe one of each of those colored starter decks and work my way up from there? What's the approx amount of stuff I need to buy in addition if I want to start making some competitive standard decks? I have basically no useful cards except the leftovers from a few random drafts at conventions I did over the years when I was bored. I don't think I can do drafts here, it looks like all the stores in NYC are geared towards unemployed or kids since they all start from 4-6pm or something and there ain't no way I can leave work at 4pm or make it to a store all the way across the city by 6 but the Standard game seems to start at 7 and I can probably make that so that's what I'm trying to focus on.
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Dehtraen posted:So, someone went on TCGPlayer and bought every copy of Jace, Vryn's Prodigy below $15. Good ol' magic finance... It's now $20, so this person has succeeded.
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It's just going to be easier to buy a deck. Feel free to draft a few times to pick up some lands and a few rares top grease the wheels, but unless you're some savant deck builder then it'll just be easier to wait until the next set has been out for a week or two and steal an established list.
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AlternateNu posted:Would this be too powerful? Volcanic Fallout exists, costs 1RR and is uncounterable, so probably not?
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If the question is 'does standard need another sweeper' the answer is no
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Irony Be My Shield posted:If the question is 'does standard need another sweeper' the answer is no Only if that sweeper costs 2WW.
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How expensive is shipping a few MTG cards from the US to say, England or Greece? Have some stuff for Pucatrade but no one seems to be wanting what I have in the same country. edit: Canada is probably cheap, right?
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Angry Grimace posted:My guess is that it would be 1RRR just because they don't print many instant speed sweepers. 2RR, 3 damage instead if cast on your main phase. Bring back main phase instants (also sulfurous blast)  Telex posted:
IIRC Montasy Comics does draft and standard at 7pm but they are like super packed cuz I mean it's midtown. Zoness fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Jul 16, 2015 |
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TheKingofSprings posted:Volcanic Fallout exists, costs 1RR and is uncounterable, so probably not? Holy poo poo. I never realized Volcanic Fallout was an instant.  (Never played during Alara and never drafted it in Conspiracy.)
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Opening packs is always always throwing money away in the long run. Buying the singles you want is the money-smart way to do it. It sounds worse what with each mythic you want being $15-$30 and you need 6 of them and 14 $6 rares, but the money you'd spend buying packs trying to open those cards would be astronomically larger. I'd wait until rotation, then find a decklist that is as competitive as you want to be, (fun and cheap vs good and expensive), and then hop on tcgplayer.com and order what you need. Lands can be reused as you switch decklists, so don't balk at their price tags cause you'll only have to buy them once.
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For me, getting into a red deck was the easiest. Effective and cheap, with lots of ways to upgrade.
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Zoness posted:2RR, 3 damage instead if cast on your main phase.
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End of Life Guy posted:Opening packs is always always throwing money away in the long run. Buying the singles you want is the money-smart way to do it. To put it more simply: either you spend $300 buying a deck online, or you spend $300 on sealed product and end up with $150 worth of cards which you don't want most of.
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You nerds like cats? I volunteer at a cat adoption center called The Long Island Feline Adoption Center (LIFAC), and the owner of my LGS is also a big cat guy, so I had the idea to run a charity tournament to benefit the adoption center. If you're in the area, come out and draft to help cats!
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I would generally avoid buying fat packs, though they provide you with a spindown dice and a nice box to hold UltraPro large deckboxes in (two at a time), in addition to a set of basic lands. They aren't a bad purchase, but I would really only recommend buying one at most and putting the rest of your money towards singles, as others have said. In terms of cheap decks that are effective, red is pretty great (almost ridiculously so, considering the relative cost of a deck like Esper Dragons or Abzan Midrange); it wouldn't cost you much (again, relatively) to buy a playset of the following right now: 4x Monastery Swiftspear 4x Goblin Glory-Chaser 4x Dragon Fodder 4x Hordeling Outburst 4x Lightning Berserker 4x Goblin Heelcutter 4x Zurgo Bellstriker 4x Mardu Scout 4x Subterranean Scout 4x Wild Slash 4x Roast 4x Rending Volley 4x Infectious Bloodlust 4x Call of the Full Moon 4x Flamewake Phoenix 20x Mountains While you probably don't need to get everything on that list, nor even an entire playset of some cards, I can guarantee you that the above cards will not only all be legal after rotation, but will also be useful. Probably the most expensive card among them is maybe the Swiftspears, at only $2.50 on StarCityGames right now (though you can find them for even cheaper elsewhere). Start putting some money towards cards like Goblin Piledriver, Atarka's Command, and Wooded Foothills, and you have a pretty strong base for a red aggro deck after rotation. bhsman fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Jul 16, 2015 |
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BJPaskoff posted:You nerds like cats? Get Ms. Longmore to promote it 
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bhsman posted:I would generally avoid buying fat packs, though they provide you with a spindown dice I'll be honest this really isn't a plus unless you really want a cool looking d20 but there are weird people who say spindowns aren't good for rolling (like I am talking from personal experience at GPs and LGS's). On the life counter side, people should really get used to keeping track of life with pen and paper and beyond that even taking notes mid game. Like sure at LGS level there's nothing preventing you from taking a photo of your opponents hand on a thoughtseize but note taking is useful beyond that like as an improvement tool. That said I've noticed different players have preferences with regards to determining who goes first but there seems to be a tendency for people to opt for 2d6 high roll in people I play against and I never suggest a method. Is this a regional thing or just some kind of established norm or just some sampling bias on my part? Zoness fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Jul 16, 2015 |
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Zoness posted:I'll be honest this really isn't a plus unless you really want a cool looking d20 but there are weird people who say spindowns aren't good for rolling (like I am talking from personal experience at GPs and LGS's). On the life counter side, people should really get used to keeping track of life with pen and paper and beyond that even taking notes mid game. Like sure at LGS level there's nothing preventing you from taking a photo of your opponents hand on a thoughtseize but note taking is useful beyond that like as an improvement tool. I've heard Spindowns are weighted and not actually random like a normal d20. Is this not true?
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I too have heard about weightedness and manipulation but I haven't really thought about those claims as more than hearsay but I defer to the opinions of others when xd6 is something almost everyone agrees to. That said I remember reading something someone (Sperling I think?) wrote where it would really make a nonzero amount of sense if WER when giving pairings also just picked who goes first.
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Dohaeris posted:I've heard Spindowns are weighted and not actually random like a normal d20. Is this not true? It's not a matter of weighting, it's just possible to fake roll spin downs to guarantee it lands with the high side up
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Dohaeris posted:I've heard Spindowns are weighted and not actually random like a normal d20. Is this not true? They are not lopsided, it's that the numbers are all next to each other. Regular dice are numbered so that any particular hemisphere has exactly half the total numbers on them, whereas spindowns have a hemisphere that is 11+ and one that is 10-. If both players are using the same dice it's irrelevant.
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Yeah, I would 1) Never recommend you use spindowns to determine who goes first, just get some d6's or roshambo for it; and 2) Highly recommend just taking some notes down. That said, I still carry spindowns for opponents without them OR paper for notes so they can keep track of life alongside me and we can compare if there's a discrepancy. That said, some people like spindowns, so I just thought to mention it.
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