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Trump will win most of the debates he's allowed to participate in, because he will be the only one answering questions, and being honest. He will go beyond calling Mexican Americans rapists.
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Nonsense posted:Trump will win most of the debates he's allowed to participate in, because he will be the only one answering questions, and being honest. lolin at the idea that being honest and answering the questions is how debates are won.
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Trabisnikof posted:lolin at the idea that being honest and answering the questions is how debates are won. It's more Trump will answer questions the exact way the republican base has been dreaming someone would answer questions since Reagan left office... Nonsense posted:He will go beyond calling Mexican Americans rapists. The base eats this poo poo up more than you could possibly know.
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Jul 16, 2015 19:49
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Rick Perry attacks Trump for not being strong enough on border security?quote:Donald Trump continues to demonstrate his fundamental misunderstanding of border security. Make no mistake – border security is a federal responsibility, but when I met with President Obama last year and it became clear he would not act, I told him if he would not secure the border, Texas would. Rather than thanking Texas for stepping into a gap it shouldn’t have to fill, Mr. Trump has made clear that he believes the states should fend for themselves on border security. Not only is this wrong, it perpetuates the same failed policies that have left our southern border porous and vulnerable.
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Jul 16, 2015 19:50
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HappyHippo posted:Rick Perry attacks Trump for not being strong enough on border security? Lol
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Jul 16, 2015 19:54
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Nonsense posted:Trump will win most of the debates he's allowed to participate in, because he will be the only one answering questions, and being honest. So he destroys Hillary in a general - noted.
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Jul 16, 2015 19:54
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I feel like Republicans attacking Trump is just gonna make Trump look like the washington outsider he wants to be
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Jul 16, 2015 19:55
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If Christie steps up and decks Trump, hopefully knocking the toupee off, he'll take a bunch of the Trump vote by being the new "tough guy who doesn't back down from a fight." That means he had to make the top 10 tho.
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Jul 16, 2015 19:57
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I just want to see Trump blast the hell out of Bush and the moderators, like how Newt did in SC in 2012
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Jul 16, 2015 20:02
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Bread Set Jettison posted:I feel like Republicans attacking Trump is just gonna make Trump look like the washington outsider he wants to be I mean, he is an outsider, in the sense that he's never held public office. Of course, my racist rear end grandpa is an outsider as well, and he has no business being in power either.
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Jul 16, 2015 20:08
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Jul 16, 2015 20:10
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HappyHippo posted:Rick Perry attacks Trump for not being strong enough on border security? 2016 Presidential Primary: a toxic mix of demagoguery and nonsense. Edit: Disreputabledog, please go full Trump. It's your calling.
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Jul 16, 2015 20:13
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We could have had a base on the moon.
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Jul 16, 2015 20:13
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rear end cobra posted:
I swear, Callista always has a serious thousand-yard stare going on in every photo I've seen on those two.
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Jul 16, 2015 20:17
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HappyHippo posted:Rick Perry attacks Trump for not being strong enough on border security? Donald Trump's plan to deal with the southern border seems to be: 1) build a wall, then invoice the Mexican goverment for it. 2) Send them a follow up invoice for every illegal immigrant that comes into the country. 3) Berate the Mexican government untill they "behave" I'd say Perry, has a point when he says that Trump's solutions aren't "conservative" aka realistic. I also don't fault Perry for taking seriously an issue that he had to deal with as governor for 12 years, where Trump claim's he will just make it happen - because he will give Mexico a stern talking too. It also goes further to that Trump really has no positions, plans or ideas. His rally speeches are a stream-of-conscious rambling comprised of vague talking points, angry spiteful remarks and whatever he happens to think of at the time. I can't honestly tell you how far to the right or left of the spectrum he is because he's never had to create or vote on legislation and doesn't provide real world examples of how he would implement his I wouldn't be surprised to see him start contradicting himself after a few too many stump speeches just by having to keep track of everything he's said. I'm sure he would start using his "I have a great idea but I can't tell you" line on everything instead of just ISIS if he thought he could consistently get away with it.
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Newt told Rove to gently caress off after Rove complained that Newt (Leader (possibly) of the civilizing forces.) took a day off to visit a museum. He also took a day off to see Callista do a christmas concert or something  Also he went to Greece. 
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The Nastier Nate posted:Donald Trump's plan to deal with the southern border seems to be: Serious discussion of Donald Trump's policies ITT.
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Jul 16, 2015 20:21
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TheDisreputableDog posted:So he destroys Hillary in a general - noted. No, but he probably would have a lot of people saying he won after any debates he had with her.
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Three Olives posted:Trump is going to do awesome in the debate, I'm amazed that some people think he is going to do poorly. The only thing I'm worried about for Trump is that he's going to find himself in a situation where he doesn't have full control. It's not like his boardroom, or his TV show, or a stump speech. I have confidence in Trump to be sufficiently bombastic and authoritative in situations that he controls (when he's sparring a punching bag), but when he's not in control and he's being attacked by everyone (in an actual fight), it will be interesting to see if he can remain the Donald we all know and love. The ways that I see them going after Trump on "issues" are issues that will play to their spiteful base, e.g. instances of Trump being "liberal" (like attending a Clinton wedding), or maybe his sex life or something. Dahbadu fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Jul 16, 2015 |
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I think it depends on how willing The Donald is to have his own image trashed in retaliation for trashing the images of his opponents. If Trump is afraid to risk his image then he'll get destroyed in the debates, if he just wants to see everyone burn he'll destroy them by refusing to stick to the script and revealing the GOP for what it really is and believes
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Dahbadu posted:The ways that I see them going after Trump on "issues" are issues that will play to their spiteful base, e.g. instances of Trump being "liberal" (like attending a Clinton wedding) Or like, you know - donating to Hillary's campaign.
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Jul 16, 2015 20:35
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GlyphGryph posted:No, but he probably would have a lot of people saying he won after any debates he had with her. Hah! Like that would ever happen!
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Or like, you know - donating to Hillary's campaign. Wasn't that to defeat Obama though? I'm not sure if "funding Obama's opponent" is going to hurt him much.
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I like the spin on inviting the Clintons to a wedding because it's good business sense and he made a bunch of money off them somehow, it's just the sort of out-of-hand dismissal that Trump can pull off that'd destroy other politicians. He actually has a slight Nietzschean element to him regarding contradicting his previous positions. Nietzsche had a tendency to write whatever he wanted at the time with only the loosest consistency, and when criticized for hypocrisy or inconsistency replied with a shrug and suggested that legalistic nitpicking about coherence is the sign of a weak, inferior mind. The mistake when being caught in some kind of logical error is confessing that logic has any kind of hold over you. Trump's an empire now, and when he acts, he creates his own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—he'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out.
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Jul 16, 2015 20:58
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Dolash posted:I like the spin on inviting the Clintons to a wedding because it's good business sense and he made a bunch of money off them somehow, it's just the sort of out-of-hand dismissal that Trump can pull off that'd destroy other politicians. 
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GlyphGryph posted:Wasn't that to defeat Obama though? I'm not sure if "funding Obama's opponent" is going to hurt him much. The donations are back from when she was a Senator as well. He also donated to Reid, Rahm, and the Clinton Foundation, and heaped praise on Clinton as late as 2012. I want to say this could significantly damage him, but even Romney was able to decouple himself enough from his past to get the nomination. And if he bombastically takes this criticism head on instead of ignoring it I still don't think it will be enough to sink him.
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Dolash posted:I like the spin on inviting the Clintons to a wedding because it's good business sense and he made a bunch of money off them somehow, it's just the sort of out-of-hand dismissal that Trump can pull off that'd destroy other politicians. Trump really is "republican base: the candidate" since he's loud mouthed, racist, spiteful, arrogant, has cognitive dissonance in loving spades, and probably a whole host of other things I'm forgetting the republican base is yet he fully represents.
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A Bag of Milk posted:The donations are back from when she was a Senator as well. He also donated to Reid, Rahm, and the Clinton Foundation, and heaped praise on Clinton as late as 2012. I want to say this could significantly damage him, but even Romney was able to decouple himself enough from his past to get the nomination. And if he bombastically takes this criticism head on instead of ignoring it I still don't think it will be enough to sink him. The nice thing about the Clintons is you can just blame their trickery for any past support. It shouldn't hurt him, because its so easy to pivot. Reporter/Townhaller/Bush Campaign Plant: "You supported Hiliary until 2012, how can you prove you still don't support her now?" Trump/Trumpite: "How could any sane person support her after _____ (insert specific scandal to taste here)! As president Trump would _____ (insert insane and impossible policy here)."
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A Winner is Jew posted:Trump really is "republican base: the candidate" since he's loud mouthed, racist, spiteful, arrogant, has cognitive dissonance in loving spades, and probably a whole host of other things I'm forgetting the republican base is yet he fully represents. Also since he is selling himself as an outsider from political perspective, he can always say "there was profit to be made in this move" or similar and then bombastically yell about having made billions in the past and the audience eats that poo poo with a grin. He was not a politician but a businessman; "true businessmen" do not care about political sides when they are out for profit. My take is that Trump will not seriously collapse on any political issue, it will be running out of steam and shifting focus to something else (most likely), throwing the fight to support someone with an actual plan (even going to the full VP Trump-strategy but I highly doubt it), or attacking his business empire which will poo poo on his business-image. The guy has an ego the size of an aircraft carrier and his most important claim to fame is his wallet; why not dig something up from there instead of trying to tie him up with something political, which really has no relevance to his die-hard supporters?
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The Nastier Nate posted:Donald Trump's plan to deal with the southern border seems to be: Rick Perry is just pissed off that the republican base thinks Trump hates Mexicans more than he does.
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DaveWoo posted:Nah, Trump is in fact working on putting together a campaign operation. Or more accurately, purchasing one. More specifically: Purchasing one by hiring away people who work for the Koch brothers. The only thing better than seeing Trump crash and burn while he yells about being rich would be seeing it happen while the biggest political family in the country is crushing him under their boot. District Selectman posted:Since 2016 is shaping up to be a poo poo show beyond even 2012, it got me wondering when was the last time a party put up such a string of weak candidates? Democrats in 2004 and arguably 2000 since Gore's position to run was entire due to being VP and he sure as gently caress couldn't have been a serious contender on his own. computer parts posted:Yeah, the funny part is that it took 50 years for the Democrats to elect someone that might've been elected for more than two terms while the Republicans had two people in that same time period (Eisenhower and Reagan). I really wonder how much different the US would be if we had Ike for another 4-8 years. Especially if it meant never getting Nixon as president. Carrasco posted:Walker has one more thing going for him now - he's so innocent the judge ordered all evidence in the case permanently destroyed. The prosecutors can tell them to gently caress right off can't they? Like, a judge telling you "you aren't allowed to do your job" is something they should be able to ignore or at least appeal as blatant politics and corruption. Or call in the Feds and get them to take over the investigation and put the SC on notice that they're next. I honestly hope these justices die in some horrific fashion. The corruption here's so blatant that the investigators really need to tell them to gently caress off and bring in the Feds. TheDisreputableDog posted:Yes and Obama was in a car crash where the passenger drowned and ran off. Wait, so does this mean that Obama's a Greyjoy?
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A Bag of Milk posted:The donations are back from when she was a Senator as well. He also donated to Reid, Rahm, and the Clinton Foundation, and heaped praise on Clinton as late as 2012. I want to say this could significantly damage him, but even Romney was able to decouple himself enough from his past to get the nomination. And if he bombastically takes this criticism head on instead of ignoring it I still don't think it will be enough to sink him. I mean, he did mention donating to democrats in his last speech. I guess it got a bit lost amidst the island military bases and hotel competition from ISIS but he basically admitted it and said, 'Of course I did it, that's how politics work. I did it to get things done and make lots of money. Elect me and you won't have to worry about that. I'm far too rich to be bought.' Basically, Trump just eats scandals and becomes stronger.
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Dolash posted:Trump's an empire now, and when he acts, he creates his own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—he'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. And the media needs him more than he needs them, and he knows it. I think the problem with the 538 article is not so much taking refuge in polls, but in discounting that the Trump narrative is a media winner. Fox may well boot him off the debate but that'll only encourage CNN. What alternative do they have, they don't want to write about Hillary or Bush unless they have to. Imagine the damage a Trump CNN debate could do, especially if the Fox debate went down in flames. As an outsider who also loves Campaign Trail '72, I feel that the media narrative distorts campaigns to such a significant degree that Trump will hurt the GOP regardless of any result whatsoever. If they laud him, it hurts, if they try to ignore him, it hurts but we don't get to hear about it. The longer Trump is useful to that narrative also, the more difficult it is to switch away from it barring a heaven-sent event. That's all anyone can count on from now.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I swear, Callista always has a serious thousand-yard stare going on in every photo I've seen on those two. Fun fact: her and Adam Sandler are the same age.
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comes along bort posted:Fun fact: her and Adam Sandler are the same age.
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If Trump were booted from the debate due to a new "No Trumps" rule, I hope he rallies the other candidates exiled for poor performance and hold their own competing debate at the same time - I think Trump's enough of a media draw that if he can put together enough candidates for a debate more people might tune in to that one.
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comes along bort posted:Fun fact: her and Adam Sandler are the same age. 
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