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Fulchrum posted:Oh yeah, forgot, she, alongside most of the US was tricked into voting for a war, so she looooooooves death. Guess who wasn't tricked? 
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Chard posted:the cuban is a superior sandwich The pandering to the Florida Cuban population is just sickening. Smoked beef brisket sandwich is the way to go. Tastes like America 
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Jul 17, 2015 12:45
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Seriously, that was an argument in 2007 and it was roundly stomped and denounced and is already buried. Even the Republican candidates know to hit Hillary on it because it still has importance to the average American who is likely to have seen a friend or relative go to Iraq.
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Jul 17, 2015 12:48
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MrBims posted:Seriously, that was an argument in 2007 and it was roundly stomped and denounced and is already buried. Even the Republican candidates know to hit Hillary on it because it still has importance to the average American who is likely to have seen a friend or relative go to Iraq. Is it wrong to want Jeb! to make hitting Hillary hard on Iraq a central part of his campaign more than I want Trump to never stop running?
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Jul 17, 2015 13:34
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Gyges posted:Is it wrong to want Jeb! to make hitting Hillary hard on Iraq a central part of his campaign more than I want Trump to never stop running? Goddamn if we get another "proceed, Governor" moment 
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Jul 17, 2015 13:40
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tekz posted:700 pages of people jerking off to opinion polls and talking about politics like its sports and cheering for their fav blue team guy. Why not talk about actual things going on in the world instead, or hell just watch real sports Bro you just blew my mind
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Jul 17, 2015 14:17
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Jul 17, 2015 14:23
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Slate Action posted:This has got to be Peak Trump, right? Is peak Trump like peak oil? If so, we're going to be incorrectly predicting peak Trump for the next 20 years.
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Jul 17, 2015 14:29
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Jul 17, 2015 14:30
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MrBims posted:He will shoot up even higher after the first debate. I did not know he chased dragons.
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Slate Action posted:This has got to be Peak Trump, right? Dehumanize yourself and face to the Trump 
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Slate Action posted:This has got to be Peak Trump, right? Things are only looking up till Greenspan says he's doing fine.
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Jul 17, 2015 14:44
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MrBims posted:He will shoot up even higher after the first debate. Sadly this is true. He is a showman and his stage presence will absolutely be better than that of any of the other candidates. Scott Walker or Jeb! might check off more GOP friendly policy points than the Donald but have you listened to them talk before? Snoozefest.
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Fulchrum posted:I'm a need some sources on that last bit, given most of the Democrats seem equally pro Israel with Obama being the exception. shes the democratic senator from new york, which in essence means the democratic senator from NYC. She'd be doing a terrible job at representing her constituents if she wasn't pro-Israel
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Shifty Pony posted:Sadly this is true. He is a showman and his stage presence will absolutely be better than that of any of the other candidates. The yoogest, most luxurious debate performance ever.
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Jul 17, 2015 15:16
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:shes the democratic senator from new york, which in essence means the democratic senator from NYC. She'd be doing a terrible job at representing her constituents if she wasn't pro-Israel Well, she's not running for President of NYC, is she?
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MrBims posted:Seriously, that was an argument in 2007 and it was roundly stomped and denounced and is already buried. Even the Republican candidates know to hit Hillary on it because it still has importance to the average American who is likely to have seen a friend or relative go to Iraq. You may have noted that that wasn't the topic. It is not about whether she should get a free pass on making a loving huge mistake, it's about whether it actually was a mistake or if she actively wanted senseless slaughter of innocents and if Hillary would start a war for poo poo and giggles. It's always great seeing people try to move the goalposts on these things to say she doesn't REALLY support the positions she's laid out.
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She already fully endorsed the Iran deal so I'm not particularly worried about AIPAC making her do something stupid with regards to the middle East. At worst she'll turn a blind eye to the plight of the Palestinians, just like every other president since Israel's inception.
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:shes the democratic senator from new york, which in essence means the democratic senator from NYC. She'd be doing a terrible job at representing her constituents if she wasn't pro-Israel Read my message again. This isn't a question of her being pro-Israel. It's a question about the average Democrat NOT being pro-Israel.
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:shes the democratic senator from new york, which in essence means the democratic senator from NYC. She'd be doing a terrible job at representing her constituents if she wasn't pro-Israel I've always been annoyed with politicians (mostly republicans, but democrats too) who will go to a synagogue or Jewish community center, say how good they are on Israel and expect the votes to come rolling in. I assume many Hispanic communities feel the same about immigration...yes it's an important issue, but I think most members of those communities would appreciate more what a politician can do for them, in this country, now. I'm jewish, I've never been to Israel and I have one family member, a 4th cousin, living there whom I've met once in my life. My interests in Israel is only slightly more as a strategic ally in the middle east and not the "holy land we must protect at all costs!"
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greatn posted:True but she already came out for the Iran deal. Did she? At the town hall yesterday she was all 'it looks alright I guess but we gotta wait and see'.
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Vox Nihili posted:The state doesn't have to be majority rural to elect a senator with a disproportionate amount of rural backing/interests/etc. This is especially true where rural communities tend to vote together such that a 60/40 split in the metro regions is easily overcome. Ok, dude, what part aren't you getting about the fact that urban does not mean liberal and suburbs mean it even less? If you just keep believing in the rural boogeyman you'll never understand American politics! Take Texas for example: at least half the suburbs there are blood red, and even significant parts of the abominations they call "cities" are as well. Edit: Michigan has this bad too. Outside Detroit, there's a couple fairly big cities that are hard-R through and through, to say nothing of their suburbs. Mostly in the west of the state. Nintendo Kid fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Jul 17, 2015 |
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Did she? At the town hall yesterday she was all 'it looks alright I guess but we gotta wait and see'. Yeah she released a paper statement fully backing it. Hillary is doing this weird thing where she lays out a bunch of real specific positions in text but doesn't talk about them in her speeches. This seems to be a bad way to get the message out but then again she's probably just targeting democratic primary voters, the only people who'd bother to read her website or statements or whatever. Its like she's insanely paranoid about the media grabbing soundbites out of context and whatnot, so she endorse reversing the citizens united decision or the Iraq negotiations on her official platform but hardly ever takes a side during her speeches. I am really, really interested in what is going to happen to this forum when Bernie drops out, endorses Hillary and gives her any delegates he's managed to pick up, tho.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Did she? At the town hall yesterday she was all 'it looks alright I guess but we gotta wait and see'. Not to mention she harping on about how the Iranians can't be trusted, but hey, if USA can be so cavalier about treaties, how can one expect anything better of Iran. 
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Trump Seizes on Chattanooga Shootingquote:Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump is calling to eliminate gun-free zones on military bases in the United States in the wake of Thursday’s shooting attacks at two military centers in Chattanooga, Tennessee.
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"This wouldn't have happened if those marines had guns." Yessssss.
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Bifner McDoogle posted:Yeah she released a paper statement fully backing it. The moment she lays out any details in a soundbite, she'll have the entire Republican field united and taking shots at her. She's in a tough spot of having positions she'd like to articulate, but being unable to do so while the Republican field is a sideshow of insanity moving ever rightward. That's a charitable read of it anyway. This forum, for the most part, is voting Bernie and preparing for Hilary. Reddit will probably have a meltdown 
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I really like Dom Irrera's approach to guns: not only should everyone own them, it should be required to have them drawn at all times.
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DaveWoo posted:Trump Seizes on Chattanooga Shooting At least he's now trying to go with the approved dog whistle tactic instead of the out and out racism. He hit the big three with Detroit, Chicago and Baltimore and equating them to Islamic terrorism.
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If for some reason military was allowed to carry regularly on base again (other than MPs) we'd probably see a pretty big bump in suicides and then they'd just handwave that. Disillusioned soldiers sitting around with guns is pretty much the worst. My sister and brother are both long time military and they've gone through some pretty heavy depression after coming back from iraq and afganistan.
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Hot take: Trump is the id of the white working class American in the same mold as George Wallace. His "strategy" (does he have a strategy?) for electoral success is to gin up support among white working class voters who are being hurt by neo-liberalism but otherwise are too racist and reactionary to vote Democratic. He has the theatrical stylings of a George Wallace with the savvy to know how to keep in the news. Anti-free trade, nativism, "Bomb everyone" is classic popular demagoguery. Much like George Wallace, if he wants to hang around with this and be serious, I think he can find a steady base and make trouble for Rubio, Walker or Bush. Bernie Sanders seems to have this longer-term vision of winning some of these voters back to the Democrats by focusing on economic issues and wealth inequality, not unlike the presidential candidate to whom he is often compared, George McGovern. 34 years later, you can't win Democratic primaries by turning out Polish works in Milwaukee, but if Sanders isn't interested in winning (and there is no evidence that he thinks he wants to do so) I think it will be an interesting strategy. I'm gonna hang up and listen.
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Democrazy posted:Hot take: Trump is the id of the white working class American in the same mold as George Wallace. His "strategy" (does he have a strategy?) for electoral success is to gin up support among white working class voters who are being hurt by neo-liberalism but otherwise are too racist and reactionary to vote Democratic. He has the theatrical stylings of a George Wallace with the savvy to know how to keep in the news. Anti-free trade, nativism, "Bomb everyone" is classic popular demagoguery. Much like George Wallace, if he wants to hang around with this and be serious, I think he can find a steady base and make trouble for Rubio, Walker or Bush. The thread title is really the perfect summary of Trump. It's kinda amazing that Perry came up with it (who am I kidding, it was probably his staff).
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HappyHippo posted:The thread title is really the perfect summary of Trump. It's kinda amazing that Perry came up with it (who am I kidding, it was probably his staff). Isn't the point that it's also a perfect summary of itself? It is a catch-all politics thread in a comedy forum after all.
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HappyHippo posted:The thread title is really the perfect summary of Trump. It's kinda amazing that Perry came up with it (who am I kidding, it was probably his staff).
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Bryter posted:He originally said "toxic mix of demagoguery, nonsense, and uh..." and his staff reworked it. 
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I feel weird asking this question but has Trump effectively just sucked all the air out of the GOP primary? I mean I follow politics fairly closely and I can't think of anything that the Not Trumps are talking about. I'm sure the right wing media is covering the other stuff but when was the last time you heard anything interesting comping out of Rubio or Jeb! or Paul?
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Three Olives posted:I feel weird asking this question but has Trump effectively just sucked all the air out of the GOP primary? I mean I follow politics fairly closely and I can't think of anything that the Not Trumps are talking about. The only thing Not Trumps are asked about is Donald J Trump.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:
This is dumb. I will be the first one to say that Trump is running a circus sideshow but to pretend that his message isn't resonating well with the Republican base is abandonment of political journalism. I will be the first one to say that Trump is a loving clown but just because any sane rational person would say he has nothing to offer politically but saying he isn't incredibly relevant to Republican politics is just as dumb. I mean it is horrifying to understand that his message of being a poo poo person is doing so well in Republican politics but polls don't lie.
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rear end cobra posted:The only thing Not Trumps are asked about is Donald J Trump. And talking about him is the only way they get in the news.
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