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Ignoring how racist it is, telling people to 'act white' is also ableist. What is a mentally handicapped person supposed to do if a cop decides to 'act cop' at them? I suffer from debilitating anxieties, and while I'm lucky to be white so it never happened as of yet, if I was approached by a cop who seemed suspicious of me it's entirely possible I'd freeze and be unable to comply to orders/answer questions.
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Just be Ward Cleaver you idiot, how hard is that?
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Jul 17, 2015 19:19
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Radbot posted:Please, keep comparing conspiracy theories with police abuse, it paints you in exactly the light you should be shown in. You're the one who called me unquestioning because I opposed assuming something happened in the absence of evidence. I feel like an Art Bell joke isn't too far afield here.
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Jul 17, 2015 19:20
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I'm seriously confused how a woman in jail supposedly had a plastic bag strong enough to hang herself using.
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Jul 17, 2015 19:21
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I think this thread would be a lot less hostile if people stopped stating things as fact when they aren't. Toasticle posted:I've seen attempts to debunk it because Thanks for this. I thought it had been more obviously debunked, like they'd called the police in the 2nd video and alleged he was waving the gun around etc.
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Jul 17, 2015 19:22
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Dead Reckoning posted:You're the one who called me unquestioning because I opposed assuming something happened in the absence of evidence. I feel like an Art Bell joke isn't too far afield here. Perhaps you've heard of the saying "absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence"?
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Jul 17, 2015 19:24
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Dead Reckoning posted:I think the real question is, was HAARP broadcasting during her incarceration? Could this have been a government EMF attack? If someone dies in any jail it should prompt calls for an investigation into what happened. Also, this may seem conspiracy minded, but medical examiners are not always the best. They also take into account what the police tell them, and when presented with contrary evidence as to the circumstances surrounding the death. I've seem it happen myself. This doesn't mean there has to be a grand conspiracy, just incomptence. It could well be a suicide, and if it is, how someone was allowed to commit suicide in the jail should be investigated and any failures should be fixed.
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Jul 17, 2015 19:26
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Radbot posted:Perhaps you've heard of the saying "absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence"? I don't think you want to be opening this door.
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Jul 17, 2015 19:27
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nm posted:If someone dies in any jail it should prompt calls for an investigation into what happened. Radbot posted:Perhaps you've heard of the saying "absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence"?
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Jul 17, 2015 19:35
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Look at this bitch kicking a cop and getting what she deserves! http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/Newly-Surfaced-Surve-315600841.html
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Jul 17, 2015 19:35
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ElCondemn posted:Look at this bitch kicking a cop and getting what she deserves! But think of the poor officer!!!! He was mad! quote:According to the police report Walker said her boot hit him above the groin area, "I felt immediate pain and became greatly aggravated due to Ms. Acker's continual kicking despite all my failed attempts to get her to calm down."
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Jul 17, 2015 19:39
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Trabisnikof posted:But think of the poor officer!!!! He was mad! She must not have been acting white enough, the cop was confused and thought she was a minority. edit: Is it at all possible that minorities are just tired of being oppressed and that's why they "act black"? Like, maybe the problem isn't that they're acting black, but that people are treatin them black? nah... they're just bad actors...
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Jul 17, 2015 19:43
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She was sitting in a chair with her hands cuffed. Obviously she had the advantage there.
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Jul 17, 2015 19:44
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How was the officer supposed to know she didn't have a switchblade built into her shoe? He was clearly reasonably afraid for his life.Genocide Tendency posted:If she acted reasonable, got hauled out of her car through the window and thrown to the ground, then this is a problem with brutality. Instead, she kicked a cop and got hosed up for it. Which is exactly what should happen. Don't kick cops. I for one agree with this guy's sentiments. I'm glad the cop smashed her face in. Thank god for our hero cops.
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Jul 17, 2015 19:49
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ElCondemn posted:Look at this bitch kicking a cop and getting what she deserves! I have a feeling that picture is going to get passed around by cops a lot as a way of congratulating themselves.
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Jul 17, 2015 19:54
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Police officer admits on the record that he was emotionally influenced, then needlessly causes permanent injury to someone in his care? Nah, no charges here folks.
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Jul 17, 2015 19:56
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Trabisnikof posted:Police officer admits on the record that he was emotionally influenced, then needlessly causes permanent injury to someone in his care? He's so human! I think I figured it out, minorities should just become cops. That way when they make human mistakes or lash out and assault people they'll be excused as just being humans who deserve compassion!
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Jul 17, 2015 19:59
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On the subject of Sandra Bland being injured by officers, the video of her arrest shows officers on top of her while she's on the ground and she says on video that she can't hear because they slammed her head into the ground. This is pretty common after a hard head impact.
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Jul 17, 2015 20:00
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chitoryu12 posted:On the subject of Sandra Bland being injured by officers, the video of her arrest shows officers on top of her while she's on the ground and she says on video that she can't hear because they slammed her head into the ground. This is pretty common after a hard head impact. It's no problem, the cop says "Yes you can" right afterwards.
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Jul 17, 2015 20:02
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quote:I felt immediate pain and became greatly aggravated due to Ms. Acker's continual kicking despite all my failed attempts to get her to calm down. This is a great example of why you're supposed to keep incident reporting to just the facts. In my job writing something like this would get you nailed to the wall. Good thing cops don't have anywhere near the same level of accountability!
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Jul 17, 2015 20:03
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Also, I don't find it unusual or unimportant that the sheriff of the county where she was arrested (who made the first public comments on Bland's death) was suspended and fired as a police chief for repeated documented cases of racism and abuse, including mandated anger management classes. And now he's the sheriff of the officers responsible for her arrest and death in a cell.
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Jul 17, 2015 20:14
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The cops obviously killed Bland you morons.
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Jul 17, 2015 20:30
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Has something juicy just come out in the press?
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Jul 17, 2015 20:45
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chitoryu12 posted:Also, I don't find it unusual or unimportant that the sheriff of the county where she was arrested (who made the first public comments on Bland's death) was suspended and fired as a police chief for repeated documented cases of racism and abuse, including mandated anger management classes. And now he's the sheriff of the officers responsible for her arrest and death in a cell. Well that doesn't look good.
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Jul 17, 2015 20:46
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Obdicut posted:Well that doesn't look good. Well supposedly surveillance video shows no one entering or leaving her cell. Scant details on that, and could be doctored, yada, yada. I suppose though if the FBI is in on it we'd likely find out if that was the case. Though a notably outspoken black woman held (I'm guessing alone?) in a cell for three days in a jail under the supervision of a Sheriff with the distinction of being fired for racism.. it'd certainly be interesting to find out how she came into possession of a plastic bag capable of hanging herself with and just all the circumstances of that detention. If she did indeed commit suicide, such factors as a possible concussion, being held in isolation, and whatever other abuse a highly likely racist jail can heap upon a person without even having to touch them need to be taken into account. I could easily see her being refused medical attention if she had a concussion (especially given she allegedly assaulted a fellow police officer - though I suspect we'll never see photographic evidence of the assault as if it did happen it likely left nothing visible). Who knows what else. Maybe with some luck some flunky there who doesn't really agree with what happens, but goes along with it, cracks under the growing pressure and fesses up to anything that might've occurred.
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Jul 17, 2015 22:03
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The Mattybee posted:I didn't "piece-pick" your words. You said that if she had "acted reasonable", it wouldn't have been okay, but since she 'kicked' the cop (and kick has a pretty wide variety of levels of force), it was perfectly acceptable and a Good Thing to you that she would get "hosed up". That's literally what you said. Those are the words that you typed. I like how you keep saying I am a coward who doesn't want to admit I think bad people should get the poo poo beat out of them. Because I have said they should. Several times. What part of "kick a cop, get your head slammed into the ground, cuffed, and sent down to the cop shop" is trying to not admit that I think "kick a cop, get your head slammed into the ground, cuffed, and sent down to the cop shop"? Don't pick fights with cops. Don't be a gigantic rear end in a top hat. Don't start a physical confrontation. If you do then you are going to get your face smashed into the dirt. You are going to get tased. And you should. If you have an issue with being pulled over, act reasonable, and deal with the problem through the many channels that are out there. If there are issues with those channels then that needs to be addressed in a constructive manner. But arguing or kicking a cop makes you wrong. It authorizes a cop to beat the poo poo out of you. And should. Stop and think. This thread is bitching and crying about an excessive and inappropriate response by police. Ignoring, hand waving or outright justifying the excessive and inappropriate response by suspects/offenders. I linked that story in GiP because I try to stay out of D&D but occasionally I mix my meds wrong and in a delusional moment think I can voice something in D&D with people who understand reality. Think carefully about this. If you are pulled over, you follow the instructions from the officer, you take the ticket and if you believe that it was wrong, you address it in traffic court or through the many channels out there. Believe it or not, you can report an officer for unfair treatment. Through their agency, state agencies, and national agencies. There are also channels through the NAACP, ACLU.. You don't stand there and loving argue with the cop, then kick them. If you bypass all the reasonable options and go straight for the argue and kick, then you absolutely deserve to get slammed to the ground and hauled in for assault on a law enforcement officer. Just as that kid in the video feed deserved to be shot twice by a cop who was bouncing across the hood of the car the kid was using to run him over. By the way, that kid's parents are complaining about the use of excessive force because that officer shot their son. That kid should be dead. Not sitting in a jail cell. Both parties. The officer AND THE CITIZEN are responsible for acting appropriately. Don't loving fight and argue with a cop. If you are reasonable, follow their instructions and still get beat down, then there is an issue. A big issue. And that officer deserves to be punished. If you argue, defy their instructions, act like an rear end in a top hat, and attack them, then you are the problem. I'm going to say probably the most controversial and racist thing you have ever heard. Maybe, just maybe, officers aren't automatically wrong.
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I'm sorry, at what point do I trust the opinion of someone who refers to a criminal suspect as "Darkie"? Like I think that might actually be the most racist thing you said, because you're actually racist.
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Jul 17, 2015 22:53
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"that kid should be dead" -a sane adult arguing in D&D
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Genocide Tendency posted:I like how you keep saying I am a coward who doesn't want to admit I think bad people should get the poo poo beat out of them. Hey, again, why do you think this? If a cop can respond in a way that doesn't involve smashing the person's face into the ground, why isn't that better?
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Obdicut posted:Hey, again, why do you think this? If a cop can respond in a way that doesn't involve smashing the person's face into the ground, why isn't that better? Did you forget that it is the police you mete out punishments under our constitution?
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Jul 17, 2015 23:00
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GreyPowerVan posted:"that kid should be dead" Correct. Because of the part right before I said that. You know. Where the kid was running over the cop with a car. Obdicut posted:Hey, again, why do you think this? If a cop can respond in a way that doesn't involve smashing the person's face into the ground, why isn't that better? Explain to me what makes you think responding in a non-physical way to someone kicking you is going to be effective? I can't believe its this loving hard to explain to you.
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Jul 17, 2015 23:24
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Genocide Tendency posted:
You are to use the amount of force needed to stop the battery. Restraints, for example. Similarly, when the danger ends the force should end. It appears he achieved compliance before slamming her to the ground.
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Jul 17, 2015 23:32
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nm posted:Elected DAs are awesome quote:At a meeting to review the GBI’s use of force investigation policies, Tommy Tindale, Glynn’s head of internal affairs, told GBI agents that “the only reason we call you in is for public perception,” Tindale went on to say that the department had an obligation to protect its officers.  quote:Johnson undertook a highly unusual set of maneuvers. She cut a deal with the two officers, asking them to waive their right to a 15-day advance notice of any indictment. In return, she agreed not to offer an indictment for grand jurors to consider — unless they asked for one.
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Genocide Tendency posted:I like how you keep saying I am a coward who doesn't want to admit I think bad people should get the poo poo beat out of them. Luckily for you, there's an easy way for you to tell the bad people from the good people. You can tell who the bad people are with just a glance!
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chitoryu12 posted:I'm sorry, at what point do I trust the opinion of someone who refers to a criminal suspect as "Darkie"? Also someone who says "Act white or get hosed up!" as if it is advice and not a threat.
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Dahn posted:Ahhh, most traffic violations are a cops word against yours. "A cop says so", carries a lot of weight in the legal system. Do cops lie, I'm sure they do. Seriously, what do you mean by "act white"?
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Jul 17, 2015 23:44
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Stop being uppity.
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Jul 17, 2015 23:48
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Zanzibar Ham posted:Ignoring how racist it is, telling people to 'act white' is also ableist. What is a mentally handicapped person supposed to do if a cop decides to 'act cop' at them? I suffer from debilitating anxieties, and while I'm lucky to be white so it never happened as of yet, if I was approached by a cop who seemed suspicious of me it's entirely possible I'd freeze and be unable to comply to orders/answer questions. This is absolutely true and needs to be sung from the mountain tops. "Act cop" indeed. Turns out beating people up till their dizzy makes it hard for them to comply with orders. We need to expect cops to "act human" and recognize other people as humans. I suspect the profession is a big draw to people with authoritarian personalities, power trippers, and bullies.
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Dahn posted:Ahhh, most traffic violations are a cops word against yours. "A cop says so", carries a lot of weight in the legal system. Do cops lie, I'm sure they do. but isn't that the problem, why should whiteness be the only behavior that doesn't get you killed. I don't like being a cop hater. I want to be able to call the police in an emergency, I want first responders who I can depend on, who I can call when a loved on is having a psychoic break who aren't going to shoot her because "we don't have time for this", who will be held accountable when they in a fit of authoritarian bullying take someone's life maliciously, who will promptly respond to an emergency rather than chasing people down over municipal fines, who will, per their training only use their sidearm as a last resort, who will be paragons of excellence in the community, and who will be PART of the community rather than an occupying army.
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