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Pierzak posted:-too much poo poo in the first group, it'd be starved with 10 orders and you have 8. -I figure first group is the points maker, as 2 are infiltrating and one imp, saves alot of orders getting to the objectives, hopefully cap 2-3 turn 1. I generally use the fiday as a sniper hunter. -don't really need 3 hackers, but I wanted the 2 infiltrating ones, Barid got added as I had the points to spend, might as well grab a dual specialist to help out on secret objectives (and can spot for missiles) he is up for swap though if needed, I just happen to have one assembled already. - only 2 real LT possible models (though Kaysum COULD be one as well) I was a little worried about this, but our community is very new, only 1 real experienced player so I don't expect too much LT hunting. Could pull in a hafza spitfire for the Barid to put a 3rd possible Lt. maybe? - lot of ODD so far in the meta, figured guided missiles might be better than HMG shots, also a bit cheaper on points. - Bike plan is IMP order the basic one first, hopefully smoke a lane, rest run up that same lane (keeping them together basically so they go after the same closest enemy)and smoke further ahead if needed. then Coord order the group deep into opponent zone before using their irregular orders to position or get into combat with something squishy. So possible changes: drop Barid for Hafza Spit (maybe make him LT as well) drop GML for HMG drone, find points to make up the difference (shouldn't be too hard, can drop Nev to a regular KUM and drop a Mutt?) move a regular order to group 1, hopefully with imp,1 irreg each and 2 reg if needed the KUM can do some disruption
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Mr.Booger posted:So, headed to my first ITS tournament. Missions are Annihilation, Supremacy, and Antenna Field. My impression is (I think) similar to Pierzak's and I agree with his points. I like the 2nd CG as a disposable template pool, I think that kind of thing works really well for some armies. Think of it less as for offensive maneuvers and more as an element that pins your opponent in place - while he's busy clearing them out and staying away from tight spaces for fear of templates, your 1st group is going for objectives. So I agree about the remote and too many hackers. I think a hafza (for disguises) or a ghulam lt would be better, I don't see this list needing any additional smoke! Muyibs, being dogged and loaded with weapons, are really attacking pieces, bit of a waste as a lt. Try and reorganise the group with the fiday (blitz your opponent's most dangerous piece), 2 infiltrating specialists, and then the rest being models that can defend solidly or take out enemy threats (djanbazan hmg is a clutch choice for this). Try and get 10 regular orders, it is better to have the full stack in your 1st, objective-winning CG, and light on the cheap aggressive group, than to try and balance them. Try and get some more range in that list as currently I only see 1 smart missile (as mentioned a bit tricky) and 1 very good hmg carrier. You want a bit more at 300 to cover the advance of your chain rifle carriers and stop the enemy pinning you down with suppressive fire or snipers.
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MUYIB Lieutenant Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher (Normal and Smoke Ammo.) / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 22)
HAWWA' Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
BARID Hacker (Hacking Device) (Forward Observer) Rifle + Marker / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 23)
SHAYTANIYAH REMOTE Smart Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 18)
KASYM BEG Chain Rifle, Panzerfaust, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW. (16)
ZULEYKA 2 Light Flamethrowers, Smoke Grenades / 2 Breaker Pistols, DA CCW. (14)
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"Oh, man! I'll just sneak down the stairs and burst this guy out" 1, 3, 1 "I got a 6".gently caress.
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Thanks for all the replies and seeing another Vanilla Haqq list with a similar plan is great. I switched from CA to Haqq as our local had no Haqq players and 2-3 prospective CA, so I don't have anyone to talk shop with yet.
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Jul 18, 2015 21:54
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Deviant posted:"Oh, man! I'll just sneak down the stairs and burst this guy out"
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Flipswitch posted:My favourites are the rolls like 1, 2 and 20. opponent meanwhile just rolls an 8 or a 9 and blams my dude. I scooped my poo poo right there, it was that game-wrecking.
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Jul 18, 2015 22:17
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My favorite was the dude who told me at the start of the battle that Fidays are useless and there's no need to worry about them. Opens door to objective room, throws smoke in, locates the right civilian, rolls 18 , civilian hits back. Fiday had to tank 2 ARM rolls before he managed to kill the guy (scenario objective so no way around it). "Told you Fidays are useless"Same mission, I pass almost every single medevac/cubevac, of course the dude being healed by the WIP15 Spec Ops doctor goes straight to "do not pass go, do not pick your cube" dead.
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Jul 18, 2015 22:26
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The first time I learned what a Fiday did was the first time I ever saw one. I was not prepared.
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Jul 18, 2015 22:37
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I want to play Hassassins so loving bad
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Can someone explain why people were disappointed that the new Janissary box features a ML instead of a HRL? As far as I can tell they seem to have their pluses and minuses, with maybe the B and range bands being slightly more attractive on the HRL, but the ML having an AP mode?
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Jul 19, 2015 08:19
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B2 (into B3 for a link team) is a far more reliable offensive weapon than B1 (into B2 for a link team). There's really no other reason for me. The ML is a very good ARO threat, but I was hoping for an offensive terminal template weapon.
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Also, the new ML looks much more like athe Sekban's HRL than the new Ghulam ML.
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Jul 19, 2015 11:02
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Selling my Haqqislam army and battlebag with N3 book if anyone is interested. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3731929
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White1ce posted:Selling my Haqqislam army and battlebag with N3 book if anyone is interested. Can't see the paint jobs to know what I would be getting.
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Jul 19, 2015 19:23
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Is there any rule against a model having more than one G:Servant remote? Fluff wise what exactly are the O-12? They're analogous to the modern U.N. but from what I see they are not composed of members of the sphere powers. They have their own system under control, and seem relatively weak but even PanO listens when they say "cool the gently caress down, everybody" and they are even in control of watching over ALEPH's actions. I suppose they'll be flushed out more if they do become a playable faction.
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Jul 19, 2015 23:59
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Can have multi gsync but only one active at a time. With each order can set which one is active. No aros off inactive g:sync.
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So, I'm toying with the idea of getting into Acontecimento. Mostly to play with medium infantry link teams, a little bit to field Dragoes some day. This is a list I've come up with so far:  Shock Army of Acontecimento────────────────────────────────────────────────── Group 1 10 0 0 LT. STEPHEN RAO Combi Rifle / Assault Pistol, Knife. (23) BAGH-MARI HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 26) BAGH-MARI Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (24) BAGH-MARI Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (24) BAGH-MARI Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (24) SINGH Combi Rifle / Assault Pistol, CCW. (36) AKAL COMMANDO Spitfire / Pistol, E/M CCW. (1.5 | 28) REGULAR Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10) REGULAR Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (12) BULLETEER Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)Group 2 3 0 0 REGULAR Hacker (Hacking Device, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 19) SIERRA DRONBOT HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25) PEACEMAKER Heavy Shotgun + AUXBOT_1 / Electric Pulse. (23)  AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (4)6 SWC | 299 Points Open with Army 5 Has anyone tried running Bagh-Mari or Akali link teams? Any obvious weaknesses with this list other than a lack of paramedics? I think I should put more paramedics in. E: Akalis can't link, d'oh Aix Athanatos fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Jul 20, 2015 |
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I used to have some Acontecimento (in 2nd edition) and loved playing the Bagh Mari link, although they are more a defensive choice you have AD troops and REMs to go into the enemy's DZ. I think it's a pretty good list, but I would drop Singh (I've heard he's not that great and you already have an Akali spitfire to fill that role) for another model, maybe a Naga? I mean he brings CoC but that's only useful on an AD3 troop if your lt gets killed in your own turn, and that doesn't seem likely given your lt choice. If your lt gets killed during your reactive turn, Singh can't cancel LoL by coming onto the board. Nagas are clutch infiltrators, which I think are always a good thing to have. Naga is 27 pts, drop a paramedic upgrade as well and put another regular into the second combat group to feed that remote. EDIT: as a matter of fact make the naga into a hacker and downgrade the regular hacker. It's a better choice and you'll free up .5 SWC to make a regular into a sensor/minelayer which is a great little model. I am loving this Infinity Ops app on my iphone by the way. No more typing notes in the note app like some kind of caveman!
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Aix Athanatos posted:So, I'm toying with the idea of getting into Acontecimento. Mostly to play with medium infantry link teams, a little bit to field Dragoes some day. This is a list I've come up with so far: I'd also make the Bagh-Mari HMG the Lt, it's exclusive to ASA and for good reason. 
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I wonder if Nova ESR would make a good Marut, repainted and with two extra arms added, I guess (or just with swords) 
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Played a great game of Armory at 300 points against Yu Jing, and a 150 points armory game against ALEPH with a vanilla Adriana list. Won the first, lost the latter. Was a great time. But the other guys I'm playing with are complaining about my bringing lots of models to our introductory games. I think their point is sound, in that multiple models are hard to deal with without experience in Infinity, but drat. The first guy plays a heavy-infantry JSA and the other plays Steel Phalanx. Bring some more drat models if you don't want to be outnumbered!  Just preordered the Americans, so I'm pumped for that release. Do we even have a hint at when it'll be shipping? Probably September or November?
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Deviant posted:I wonder if Nova ESR would make a good Marut, repainted and with two extra arms added, I guess (or just with swords) Paint job, and replace one gun-hand with a hand+sword should make that a decent replacement, to me at least.
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Verr posted:But the other guys I'm playing with are complaining about my bringing lots of models to our introductory games. I think their point is sound, in that multiple models are hard to deal with without experience in Infinity, but drat. The first guy plays a heavy-infantry JSA and the other plays Steel Phalanx. Bring some more drat models if you don't want to be outnumbered! Tell the  guy to deploy a Husong and a suppression fire mode Ruishi, they chew through Ariadna hordes really fast. The other dude can go suck a Steel Phallus, he's not entitled to complaints 
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I have been, and he has. But we're all sub ~10 games, so there's a lot to be said for just getting into the flow. My bud always takes a Husong, but he's constantly placing it in the wrong spot. He'll try to block my Paracommandoes with the drone when he should be focusing on the midgame, forget to watch his flanks and get S.A.S'd, etc. For real tho, gently caress the Greeks. Light Missile Launcher in a link is roadblock for pretty much anything but an HMG/LFT/Chain Rifle. tokenbrownguy fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Jul 22, 2015 |
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I'd never really looked at the Rui Shi and Lu Duan too closely before. MSV2 Spitfire that can get shock ammo and ignores cover hit penalty? Seems good. (edit: although you've got to take a vanilla hacking device in JSA for the marksmanship boost, and the vanilla hacker option is really bad). Also, with holo projector L2s, am I right in reading it to work like this: Lu Duan and its 2x holo images come around a corner on their first short skill and generate an ARO. The AROing model declares BS attack and has to declare which weapon and which holo image they are shooting at. The Lu Duan then can declare a BS attack as their second short skill and if the AROing model picked a holo image it is too bad so sad as they lose their ARO as the holo images are removed due to the Lu Duan declaring a skill that drops the holo images. If that is correct, then does that screw over template weapons like a missile launcher since the target selected doesn't exist? Cyclomatic fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Jul 22, 2015 |
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Cyclomatic posted:I'd never really looked at the Rui Shi and Lu Duan too closely before. Yes, yes and yes. Lu Duan is a toolbox. Holoechos also work on mines and koalas. And the vanilla hacker is not that bad,-1 WIP is not crippling (otherwise Haqq is zomg OP).
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Verr posted:Played a great game of Armory at 300 points against Yu Jing, and a 150 points armory game against ALEPH with a vanilla Adriana list. Won the first, lost the latter. Was a great time. You are Ariadna, part of your gimmick is you have cheap troops. Aleph is always going to be outnumbered because their models are awesome with several crazy abilities. If you want to change your list (Im a bit new so I could be wrong) pad out your list with some Vetern Kazaks and Caldeonian Mormadors? At 300 points though you will still have 2 combat groups. What was their problem with being outnumbered? Is it just learning the game and etc? If thats it Id suggest emulating operation Icestorm as that is fairly low model count. There is also a 2 player campaign mode that starts off at 75 points. https://docs.google.com/document/d/19nNdepYY8_MVYZtFWErffwTSQlERY8KrYcLE2jvWNpk/edit
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Pierzak posted:Yes, yes and yes. Lu Duan is a toolbox. Holoechos also work on mines and koalas. It isn't that bad, but jsa has real bad repeater coverage, and it isn't a ninja or bike that can hit objectives well. So the context around it is bad imo. It isn't in the JSA playbook if you will.
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Cyclomatic posted:It isn't that bad, but jsa has real bad repeater coverage, and it isn't a ninja or bike that can hit objectives well. So the context around it is bad imo. It isn't in the JSA playbook if you will. So what prevents you from taking a ninja or biker as well? Do you want nothing buy them in your list? Repeater coverage is irrelevant, I found it useful mostly for applying supportware to remotes. And if someone else wants to use it, that's what you have the HFT for. Both Yaoxie are awesome in JSA as the only MSV options. And when you're getting a heavy flamer, high-damage weapon and holos on a fast platform (that you can deploy disguised as an Aragoto LT in case you go second) for a whole ~22 points is nuts. Get a better playbook is what I mean  ed: unless you meant that the Kei hacker is bad. I like to take him from time to time for hunter-drone options, but he's absolutely invaluable in HI lists to give Fairy Dust to all the tinmen. If you don't care about HI then yeah, just take a mobile asshacker and call it a day. Pierzak fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Jul 22, 2015 |
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Exmond posted:There is also a 2 player campaign mode that starts off at 75 points. This looks amazing! I'll pitch it to my Yu Jing bud next time we play. I think their problem is that both JSA and SP have a shaper learning curve than my go-to Adriana strat: "Park HMG in camo, Paradrop HMG into backline, Park HMG in link, advance with Chain Rifles/LFT to secure objectives."
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Yeah, my feeling is that if you don't outnumber Phalanx with Ariadna then you're in for a real bad day. It can feel frustrating for the "elite" side to pour orders into fighting only for the other side to still have more orders, but it's a fundamental difference in strengths. The elite army wants to play a particular game, and is very strong at it. The opposition would be quite foolish to try to play the same game.
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Pierzak posted:So what prevents you from taking a ninja or biker as well? Do you want nothing buy them in your list? Was saying that the drones look good on paper at their list price. Supportware on the drones isn't as obviously good because the kei hacker is lukewarm itself and even more tepid with the repeater coverage in JSA. Basically seems like stopping at 22 points instead of our ng on more points for supportware seems more in line with the JSA playbook. Martial arts on most of the HI cuts down on your hackable attack surface a lot.
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So, as I cannot yet decide on a second list for my ITS tournament. I have delved into humorous lists to pull out if I am in the mood. Public List is just one entry: Saladin Haqqislam────────────────────────────────────────────────── Group 1 10 0 0 SALADIN Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CCW. (36) HAFZA (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (17) HAFZA Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 22) HASSASSIN HUSAM YASBIR (Infiltration, Holoprojector L2) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW, Knife. (34) TUAREG Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 35) TUAREG Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (33) FIDAY Boarding Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (29) AL-DJABEL Rifle + Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW, Knife. (35) RAGIK Spitfire / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 32) RAGIK Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (25)3 SWC | 298 Points Open with Army 5 Army starts on the table with 4 Saladins and 2 IMP-2 markers, 6 orders 2 TO hidden deployment and 2 AD guys brings it up to 10 order pool actually can play the game, has 4 specialists, three of them Infiltrating. based off models I own (would need to buy 4 saladins however) Mr.Booger fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Jul 22, 2015 |
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I have always had a lot of success with both Yaoxie variants, but more success with the Spitfire. For sweeping Mines, Holoechoes are valuable, but I would rather have a Shaolin impetuously/irregularly jump on one than waste precious orders. I have never had a game was Yu Jing where I've felt justified in losing the vanilla toys for Sectorial. Celestial Guard, Kunag Shi, Zuyong HMG, Sun Tze, Shaolin and Tiger Soldiers are all brilliant units.
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WAR FOOT posted:Celestial Guard, Kunag Shi, Zuyong HMG, Sun Tze, Shaolin and Tiger Soldiers are all brilliant units. I see a conspicuous lack of Gaylangs in that list
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As much as I like Spirit Dogs, each time I've run one I've always felt I would have rather had a Daofei or a Tacbow Ninja in the same posiiton.
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There's your problem, you're not supposed to run one. And Daofei are much more expensive. What's so good about Bowninjas though, I never found a niche for them*? *At least in ITS, but we have one of the most vicious ITS metas, so I'd need a really good reason.
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Aren't tacbows sort of a one-trick pony? Pretty much only good for killing cheerleaders?
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