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There is obviously some context which makes calling a black person "Darkie McRetard" not racist that you're all deliberately ignoring thanks to the d&d
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Post about Police, Criminal Justice and Baltimore Riots, not other threads on this website please.
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Jul 19, 2015 05:18
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Exclamation Marx posted:Post about Police, Criminal Justice and Baltimore Riots, not other threads on this website please. Let's cut Baltimore Riots from it, they are soooo yesterday. Mods, namechange back to "Let's debate about Police and Criminal Justice"
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Jul 19, 2015 05:26
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Exclamation Marx posted:Post about Police, Criminal Justice and Baltimore Riots, not other threads on this website please. Could you maybe remove the barefaced bigot from the thread / message board to facilitate this?
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Jul 19, 2015 05:45
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Voyager I posted:Could you maybe remove the barefaced bigot from the thread / message board to facilitate this? As long as he's able to conceal his bigotry while in D&D, he can post in D&D. That doesn't mean you need to engage with what he posts though!
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Jul 19, 2015 06:26
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Exclamation Marx posted:As long as he's able to conceal his bigotry while in D&D, he can post in D&D. That doesn't mean you need to engage with what he posts though! Why wouldn't he also need to conceal his bigotry in GiP?
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Jul 19, 2015 10:03
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Exclamation Marx posted:As long as he's able to conceal his bigotry while in D&D, he can post in D&D. That doesn't mean you need to engage with what he posts though! He hasn't and doesn't though. This forum used to have rules, actionable rules, against bad faith posting, trolling and being outright crazy motherfuckers. loving gbs has stricter moderation these days.
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Jul 19, 2015 11:10
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az posted:He hasn't and doesn't though. This forum used to have rules, actionable rules, against bad faith posting, trolling and being outright crazy motherfuckers. loving gbs has stricter moderation these days. I heartily agree. Falling back to screaming racist over and over because you can't argue effectively with a person with an opposing viewpoint effectively is pretty bad.
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Jul 19, 2015 13:31
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Spacman posted:I heartily agree. Falling back to screaming racist over and over because you can't argue effectively with a person with an opposing viewpoint effectively is pretty bad. Where do you see people unable to effectively argue against his viewpoint?
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Jul 19, 2015 13:39
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Voyager I posted:Could you maybe remove the barefaced bigot from the thread / message board to facilitate this? Disagree 100%. The core issue with the majority of the incidents discussed in this thread is racism, having a bright shining beacon of this helps the discussion. Give you a glimpse into the abyss if you will, same as having DR and AR posting, gives you a good look into the problem by letting you understand the mental gymnastics of those who are inside the system. Helps when you're wondering "how the gently caress does this happen", watching the twisted hosed up logic and thinking of people like them helps to understand why. That it's not limited to the system being broken but that the people in that system are massive part of the problem as well.
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Jul 19, 2015 15:05
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Toasticle posted:Disagree 100%. The core issue with the majority of the incidents discussed in this thread is racism, having a bright shining beacon of this helps the discussion. Give you a glimpse into the abyss if you will, same as having DR and AR posting, gives you a good look into the problem by letting you understand the mental gymnastics of those who are inside the system. No it doesn't, because they aren't "discussing" anything. They just put up a wall of dumb racist poo poo that we could find in any number of dumb racist websites. Having that poo poo here is completely stupid and it doesn't aid anything. If anything it bogs down discussion as people can't help but engage them fruitlessly. It's a massive distraction that just potentially tanks threads.
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Jul 19, 2015 17:36
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az posted:He hasn't and doesn't though. This forum used to have rules, actionable rules, against bad faith posting, trolling and being outright crazy motherfuckers. loving gbs has stricter moderation these days. Mods need body cams.
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Jul 19, 2015 20:28
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A black trooper helps a KKK member suffering from a sunstroke:
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Just so y'all know, if anyone calls me "Darkie McRetard", I will choke therm out. Then I'll be arrested and killed by the police because I'm a dangerous negro.
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Jul 19, 2015 21:26
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said officer Wilson after mutilating a prisoner's eye in front of six other guards. Five of who didn't see nothing. The sixth who testified was terminated hours after Wilson's conviction. But hey, a white guy got pulled over for not using his blinker that one time so it's totes not a systemic issue.
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"The officers’ subsequent reaction to Cuneo’s assertion of his rights is nothing short of criminal assault. However, as is the case most of the time, these officers arrested and charged Cuneo with a crime after they assaulted him." Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/disturbing-video-shows-nj-cops-tear-open-teens-face-giving/#DgpaZEeoYFtJ42rH.99 And the beat (down) goes on, yada yada yaa.
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Edit: Wrong thread.DARPA posted:said officer Wilson after mutilating a prisoner's eye in front of six other guards. Five of who didn't see nothing. The sixth who testified was terminated hours after Wilson's conviction. I realize that can happen as a fluke, but to do it to someone intentionally takes some effort. Or not much maybe if the guy is cuffed and shackled and being restrained by 5 other people. 
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In the video, Officer Tyler Walker can be seen picking up 18-year-old Alexis Acker and violently body-slamming her down onto the floor where she hits face first while her hands were behind her in handcuffs. http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/watch-colorado-cop-brutally-slams-woman-to-the-floor-in-hospital-hallway-knocking-out-her-teeth/ According to KKTV, Walker is is the son of the former Deputy Chief of Police, Rod Walker. Bet you he gets a vacation and back pay.
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Jul 19, 2015 21:54
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http://www.msnbc.com/melissa-harris-perry/watch/understanding-the-place-where-sandra-bland-died-487202883535?cid=sm_fb_msnbc According to an MSNBC report, Waller County, the place where Sandra Bland was probably murdered, has a very long and very recent history of racism. The prosecutor threatened to prosecute any students from the historically black college who attempted to vote. The graveyards are segregated.
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Jul 19, 2015 23:37
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Spacman posted:I heartily agree. Falling back to screaming racist over and over because you can't argue effectively with a person with an opposing viewpoint effectively is pretty bad. Do you think that 'just act white' is a valid suggestion, and if so, can you explain what acting black is in your opinion?
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Jul 19, 2015 23:46
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DARPA posted:said officer Wilson after mutilating a prisoner's eye in front of six other guards. Five of who didn't see nothing. The sixth who testified was terminated hours after Wilson's conviction. Jesus Christ. That's vomit-worthy.
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"Acting white" as something that meant being well behaved (a pussy) is something I learned from the black kids I grew up with. It's really weird how alot of this thread is making it seem like its just this one way label, from top to bottum.
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Jul 20, 2015 08:09
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afeelgoodpoop posted:"Acting white" as something that meant being well behaved (a pussy) is something I learned from the black kids I grew up with. It's really weird how alot of this thread is making it seem like its just this one way label, from top to bottum. John Crawford should have acted white. 
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Pohl posted:John Crawford should have acted white. Carrying a gun in a Walmart is the most incredibly white thing he could have done, actually.
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edit:build a poop tunnel. Everyone wins. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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DARPA posted:said officer Wilson after mutilating a prisoner's eye in front of six other guards. Five of who didn't see nothing. The sixth who testified was terminated hours after Wilson's conviction. Seems to me that the problem here is an honest to god psychopath being hired as a prison guard (and the thin blue line stuff), I mean it's a good example of misconduct going completely ignored but not a good example of systemic racism. Mandy Thompson posted:http://www.msnbc.com/melissa-harris-perry/watch/understanding-the-place-where-sandra-bland-died-487202883535?cid=sm_fb_msnbc Is there anything that even kinda-sorta hints at Bland's death being a murder? I don't think an overzealous local prosecutor counts, by the way
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captainblastum posted:Do you think that 'just act white' is a valid suggestion, and if so, can you explain what acting black is in your opinion? Did anyone ever actually suggest "acting white"? I've gone through a few pages here and I can't find it, just a few references. In any case talking to a police officer the same way you talk to your buddies is pretty dumb yeah no matter your race.
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semper wifi posted:Did anyone ever actually suggest "acting white"? I've gone through a few pages here and I can't find it, just a few references. In any case talking to a police officer the same way you talk to your buddies is pretty dumb yeah no matter your race. Yes, here: Dahn posted:Ahhh, most traffic violations are a cops word against yours. "A cop says so", carries a lot of weight in the legal system. Do cops lie, I'm sure they do.
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That's pretty good advice though and would've kept like half of the people featured in the videos posted here out of handcuffs
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Okay, can you describe what it means to act black in your opinion then?
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Acting polite (which is a much less racist phrasing than "acting white") should not be a prerequisite to avoiding police brutality.
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If you look back at most of the videos of white people being arrested or shot you have them doing retarded stupid poo poo or flat out disregarding the safety of officers and others. White people are so ignorant of the fact that they get away with bullshit that they honestly think they are the measurement for good behavior. All you have to do is look at that family that starts a fist fight with a group of officers, Dinkheller or any sporting event to see that they act badly. Minorities have to act better than white people around officers because officers give white people way more leeway than anyone else. More so if the person they pulled over is a leo as well. The fact that someone earnestly thinks that Joey Whitebread gets arrested less than James Wheatbread due to behavior is stupid. Whitebread has been statistically proven to carry illegal contraband 3 times more than anyone else Strait up you don't want people acting like this http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/video-shows-walmart-brawl-christian-family-band-cops-article-1.2181445 Or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6z8q4lOrDU Can you see any case where a person of color is given that much leeway?
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Sean Hannity simply tells police that pull him over he has a gun and then lifts his shirt to show them and they wave him off. Clearly that's "acting white" and wouldn't result in any different outcome for non-white people.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Acting polite should not be a prerequisite to avoiding police brutality. I blame the corporate cowardice of customer service culture for teaching an entire generation of Americans that throwing a tantrum is how to get their way. Radish posted:Sean Hannity simply tells police that pull him over he has a gun and then lifts his shirt to show them and they wave him off. Clearly that's "acting white" and wouldn't result in any different outcome for non-white people.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:It shouldn't, but it's still definitely a good idea. Of course it's a good idea, politeness is pretty much always a good idea. But the problem is the perception of brutality incidents through the lens of politeness. "Well, he was being upp..., uhm, talking back, of course the cops slammed him into the ground/tazed him/roughed him up. Maybe if he just acted white it wouldn't have ended up that way, but what are you going to do?" is an all too common refrain used to excuse violence. Acting polite is not an excuse for brutality, full stop. Someone's rudeness is absolutely irrelevant to discussions on the use of force.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Acting polite (which is a much less racist phrasing than "acting white") should not be a prerequisite to avoiding police brutality. Yeah, I'm going to add on that I would hope the people we trust with firearms and civil immunity would have better self restraint than we demand out of the local bagger at Walmart. But if that were the case I would imagine this discussion would not be taking place so...
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semper wifi posted:Seems to me that the problem here is an honest to god psychopath being hired as a prison guard (and the thin blue line stuff), I mean it's a good example of misconduct going completely ignored but not a good example of systemic racism. The "thin blue line stuff" shouldn't be a cursory topic. It's more serious of an issue than the actions of a single, deranged individual. Other than the officer who testified (and was vilified & nearly ruined because of it), it's much easier to assume that the other officers present, as well as the prison management, all colluded to make sure this incident never saw the light of day. To be sure, it doesn't appear that the officer who committed the crime would've faced any consequences had Pisciotta not testified. That's systemic. Whether it's simply systemic abuse or systemic racism is up to you to parse; but I can't imagine the offending officer's comments post-assault are some type of outlier.
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So what can be done against the thin blue line issue anyway? Is it a question of leadership holding officers to a higher standard? Incentivizing whistleblowing? How the hell do you fix that poo poo? In Germany we have the same problem, though it seems that bad apples have much less leeway and standards of professionalism are higher than in the US...
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snorch posted:So what can be done against the thin blue line issue anyway? Is it a question of leadership holding officers to a higher standard? Incentivizing whistleblowing? How the hell do you fix that poo poo? Whatever the myriad steps involved with reversing its course, it has to be a top-down approach. Threats of recrimination from above for doing the right thing are bullshit.
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semper wifi posted:Seems to me that the problem here is an honest to god psychopath being hired as a prison guard (and the thin blue line stuff), I mean it's a good example of misconduct going completely ignored but not a good example of systemic racism. How is a prison guard gouging out a black man's eye with his bare hands, then calling him a friend of the family, then having the entire prison top to bottom, save for one man who then gets fired, not an example of racism? This is the actual example that you're looking for, where the racist loudly yells "I'm doing this because you're black!" as he commits a crime.
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