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Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

JT Jag posted:

Say "hashtag black lives matter" aloud.

black lives matter, white lives...matter. all lives...matter :smug:

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site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
Vox's interview with the guy who started #BernieSoBlack sounds eerily like arguments I've heard before...

site fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Jul 20, 2015

Vienna Circlejerk
Jan 28, 2003

The great science sausage party!
When I'm President, this country will have the best black lives in the world. We will have the highest quality black lives, and not just a bunch of politicians who only talk about black lives. Let's make America great again!

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

Vienna Circlejerk posted:

When I'm President, this country will have the best black lives in the world. We will have the highest quality black lives, and not just a bunch of politicians who only talk about black lives. Let's make America great again!

Will they be the yoogest, most luxurious black lives, though? This is crucial.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Joementum posted:

Hillary's statement on #Bernghazi.



"And I will fight this structural racism by pretending my previous campaign never questioned the legitimacy of the first black President!"

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

Raskolnikov38 posted:

"And I will fight this structural racism by pretending my previous campaign never questioned the legitimacy of the first black President!"
I wouldn't be surprised if the DNC has instructed all the candidates to shut the gently caress up about this.

ATribeCalledKvetch
Nov 5, 2010

I do hate myself, but it has nothing to do with being Jewish.

Lastgirl posted:

black lives matter, white lives...matter. all lives...matter :smug:

-O'Malley at Netroots.

Brannock
Feb 9, 2006

by exmarx
Fallen Rib

MrWillsauce posted:

Everything she said are things Bernie passionately supports. Now watch everyone rally behind Hillary because she's the only one who cares about black people. She said the catchphrase after all.

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
In other primary news: JEB wants to dock congressmen's pay for missing votes and increase the cooling off period between being a congressman and becoming a lobbyist.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
Hillary still hasn't answered BuzzFeed Andy's question as to whether she'll commit to bringing a cat back to the White House in her Facebook Q&A!

:catstare:

big business man
Sep 30, 2012


According to that Vox article though, now that the Sanders campaign has tweeted #BlackLivesMatter, progress is being made

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver
That second one isn't the worst idea in the world.

MrWillsauce
Mar 19, 2015

If only that cooling off period was forever.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Lastgirl posted:

Man that was so calculated. :golfclap:

Instead of stumbling around on stage where people will just heckle, get angrier and then storm out....she can review and rewrite her draft on facebook.

Unlikely she actually wrote the message. Probably approved it, though.

That's the advantage of social media: perfectly curated brands.

Cygna
Mar 6, 2009

The ghost of a god is no man.
The cutoff for determining which candidates make the cut for the first debate is August 4th, right? That's pretty tight. Trump had better not flame out before then--two days is not enough time to reschedule my Trump Extravaganza viewing party. (I know the kiddie table debate exists, but it's just not the same...)

Paper With Lines
Aug 21, 2013

The snozzberries taste like snozzberries!

The first thing reminds me of when Members of Congress vote against pay increases -- a politically shallow move that they think The Common Man likes.

Vienna Circlejerk
Jan 28, 2003

The great science sausage party!

this_is_hard posted:

According to that Vox article though, now that the Sanders campaign has tweeted #BlackLivesMatter, progress is being made

Thank god for that. What are some more things we should be tweeting?

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

Paper With Lines posted:

The first thing reminds me of when Members of Congress vote against pay increases -- a politically shallow move that they think The Common Man likes.
Besides, it's probably unconstitutional.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Guess which of these three campaigns pay the women among the top 25 payees less than the men in that same group? (72% of what the men on that campaign make):

A. HILLARY FOR AMERICA (C00575795)

B. BERNIE 2016 (C00577130)

C. JEB 2016, INC. (C00579458)*


(*Excluding payments made to JEB himself)




B


Breakdown of the top 25 paid individuals for each 3 campaigns (last filing period):


Clinton
Count M 11
Count F 14
Avg M $27,232.50
Avg F $31,659.33

Sanders
Count M 15
Count F 9
Avg M $5,487.76
Avg F $4,290.70

Jeb
Count M 25 14
Count F 25 11
Avg M $7,817.69
Avg F $8,325.81


Edit: hosed up my count for Clinton.

Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Jul 20, 2015

richardfun
Aug 10, 2008

Twenty years? It's no wonder I'm so hungry. Do you have anything to eat?

Alter Ego posted:

Will they be the yoogest, most luxurious black lives, though? This is crucial.

Nope, still not getting old

Third World Reagan
May 19, 2008

Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.
I like bernie but I don't think he can capture enough pokemon fast enough to challenge the gym leaders

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

Third World Reggin posted:

I like bernie but I don't think he can capture enough pokemon fast enough to challenge the gym leaders
Isn't socialism basically a political Master Ball though

Paper With Lines
Aug 21, 2013

The snozzberries taste like snozzberries!

Trabisnikof posted:

Guess which of these three campaigns pay the women among the top 25 payees less than the men in that same group? (72% of what the men on that campaign make):

A. HILLARY FOR AMERICA (C00575795)

B. BERNIE 2016 (C00577130)

C. JEB 2016, INC. (C00579458)*


(*Excluding payments made to JEB himself)




B


Breakdown of the top 25 paid individuals for each 3 campaigns (last filing period):


Clinton
Count M 15
Count F 9
Avg M $27,232.50
Avg F $31,659.33

Sanders
Count M 15
Count F 9
Avg M $5,487.76
Avg F $4,290.70

Jeb
Count M 25 14
Count F 25 11
Avg M $7,817.69
Avg F $8,325.81


At this stage paid staffers are probably people who have worked for the person for a long time and the candidate is pulling them from their office or whatever. So it isn't a manner of hiring a generic woman or a generic man and paying them equal salaries. It is a matter of the candidate has a certain gender ratio for their long term inner circle and those are the people who are drawing salaries right now.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Paper With Lines posted:

At this stage paid staffers are probably people who have worked for the person for a long time and the candidate is pulling them from their office or whatever. So it isn't a manner of hiring a generic woman or a generic man and paying them equal salaries. It is a matter of the candidate has a certain gender ratio for their long term inner circle and those are the people who are drawing salaries right now.

But a Republican candidate was able to have more men than women among the top 25 paid employees and still didn't end up paying them less on average.

Now of course, if you're assuming that all your leadership roles will be men because your social network is filled with them, then yeah you end up with a bunch of higher paying men that skew the numbers.

big business man
Sep 30, 2012

Vienna Circlejerk posted:

Thank god for that. What are some more things we should be tweeting?

Well, he tweeted #SayHerName...but mentioned two men, as well. One step forward, two steps back :doh:

pugnax
Oct 10, 2012

Specialization is for insects.
I love that the delta between the Clinton staffers is almost equal to the Bernie staffers. You can't include Jeb! in something like this though, because all of his campaign is being run via the SupaPak.

OAquinas
Jan 27, 2008

Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.

Paper With Lines posted:

At this stage paid staffers are probably people who have worked for the person for a long time and the candidate is pulling them from their office or whatever. So it isn't a manner of hiring a generic woman or a generic man and paying them equal salaries. It is a matter of the candidate has a certain gender ratio for their long term inner circle and those are the people who are drawing salaries right now.

Doesn't matter, still looks bad. You have to avoid that sort of thing if you go into an election running on economic parity, against someone who could very well be the first woman president. Otherwise you just look like a massive hypocrite (regardless of your other policy positions).

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

site posted:

Vox's interview with the guy who started #BernieSoBlack sounds eerily like arguments I've heard before...

The twittersphere is all atweet with fresh controversy! Will Chafee be next to copy and paste the key words into an empty 140 character message, or will he fall short?

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

pugnax posted:

I love that the delta between the Clinton staffers is almost equal to the Bernie staffers. You can't include Jeb! in something like this though, because all of his campaign is being run via the SupaPak.

Oh poo poo I copied the same numbers twice it should be:

Clinton:
Count M 11
Count F 14

Sanders:
Count M 15
Count F 9


OAquinas posted:

Doesn't matter, still looks bad. You have to avoid that sort of thing if you go into an election running on economic parity, against someone who could very well be the first woman president. Otherwise you just look like a massive hypocrite (regardless of your other policy positions).

Also, while I was far far far far far too lazy to do the same breakdown by race/ethnicity, my guess is it would be about the same. Simply because Clinton employees a number of minorities in leadership positions (e.g. Brynne Craig) that are higher paying while Sanders has brought a lot of his Vermont gang on board.

Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Jul 20, 2015

Sir Kodiak
May 14, 2007


OAquinas posted:

Doesn't matter, still looks bad.

I don't think pointing out that any flaws in Bernie's hiring likely reflect long-term inequality in his inner circle was supposed to be a defense. At least I hope not.

serbp
Nov 30, 2013
Hey I haven't posted in here before but I'd like to share that when Lincoln Chafee was mayor of Warwick RI in the 1990's his wife almost hit me with her car


thanks 4 listening

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

Vox Nihili posted:

The twittersphere is all atweet with fresh controversy! Will Chafee be next to copy and paste the key words into an empty 140 character message, or will he fall short?

He won't fall short. Lincoln Chafee always goes the extra 1.60934 kilometers.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Joementum posted:

He won't fall short. Lincoln Chafee always goes the extra 1.60934 kilometers.


serbp posted:

Hey I haven't posted in here before but I'd like to share that when Lincoln Chafee was mayor of Warwick RI in the 1990's his wife almost hit me with her car


thanks 4 listening

Is that with or without dragging a goon under the car joe?

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
#AllFoosballTeamsMatter

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Trabisnikof posted:

Guess which of these three campaigns pay the women among the top 25 payees less than the men in that same group? (72% of what the men on that campaign make):

A. HILLARY FOR AMERICA (C00575795)

B. BERNIE 2016 (C00577130)

C. JEB 2016, INC. (C00579458)*


(*Excluding payments made to JEB himself)




B


Breakdown of the top 25 paid individuals for each 3 campaigns (last filing period):


Clinton
Count M 11
Count F 14
Avg M $27,232.50
Avg F $31,659.33

Sanders
Count M 15
Count F 9
Avg M $5,487.76
Avg F $4,290.70

Jeb
Count M 25 14
Count F 25 11
Avg M $7,817.69
Avg F $8,325.81


Edit: hosed up my count for Clinton.

Bernie's top 25 people probably include a wide range of positions, while Hillary's are probably all managerial. That especially follows since her average is incredibly high.

serbp
Nov 30, 2013

Raskolnikov38 posted:

Is that with or without dragging a goon under the car joe?

i have no clue what you mean but no, i guess

edit: holy poo poo i'm an idiot ignore this post

serbp fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Jul 20, 2015

Sir Kodiak
May 14, 2007


Vox Nihili posted:

Bernie's top 25 people probably include a wide range of positions, while Hillary's are probably all managerial. That especially follows since her average is incredibly high.

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

Paper With Lines
Aug 21, 2013

The snozzberries taste like snozzberries!

Sir Kodiak posted:

I don't think pointing out that any flaws in Bernie's hiring likely reflect long-term inequality in his inner circle was supposed to be a defense. At least I hope not.

It wasn't a defense on my part, but I do think it's a little too simplistic to look at these numbers and conclude long term discrimination or an old boys club or something. People stay with their candidate or don't stay with them for idiosyncratic reasons. I knew a staffer who was a scheduler for a relatively high ranking Democratic Member of Congress and she quit and took a non Hill job because it turns out the member was a dick. On the other side, the Revolving Door makes people with minimal experience some dollars so someone might leave for that too. I know those examples are anecdotal though.

That rambling response aside, no, it doesn't look good.

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool
a sample size of 25 isnt really indicative but also thats pretty weaponizing information so its interesting to note. what may also be likely is highly qualified women with campaign exp want to work for hillary more, or were taken first, or people who have worked for sanders for ages are men. or whoever is in charge of the campaign just gets paid so much more and for hillary its a woman, and for bernie its a man. looking at the percentage spread of who works or what campaign.

whats the median income? i think that would be more telling, wouldn't it?

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Sir Kodiak
May 14, 2007


Paper With Lines posted:

It wasn't a defense on my part, but I do think it's a little too simplistic to look at these numbers and conclude long term discrimination or an old boys club or something.

Agreed on the latter, and glad to hear it on the former :)

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