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Dr Pepper posted:How do tank classes work in PvP anyway. You're big & beefy, do decent damage, and are pretty great at pushing people off nodes. Only one of these things is true if you're a paladin, though, and it's not one of the useful ones.
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You're mostly a DPS class with some extra utility. PvP actions let you peel for healers and allow you to sit on top of a casting class easier, usually have some sort of AoE damage reduction/debuff for your team too.
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Jul 22, 2015 09:14
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nuru posted:
My problem is that there was about a week period for me between hitting 60 and getting properly geared where I basically couldn't get on at all for personal reasons, and by the time I was able to run Bismark everyone had moved on and only the suckers were left.
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Jul 22, 2015 09:15
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nuru posted:Static only managed to get Faust to 10%. We then noticed that two of our DPS didn't have Ravana weapons and decided to farm that instead. I didn't imagine I'd actually have the fact I left the country for a week and a half and thus missed every turbonerd farming Bismark and Ravana EX would actually be held against me, but here we are.
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Jul 22, 2015 09:22
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Chucat posted:I didn't imagine I'd actually have the fact I left the country for a week and a half and thus missed every turbonerd farming Bismark and Ravana EX would actually be held against me, but here we are. You went outside, you're not committed enough for our raid static.
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Jul 22, 2015 09:29
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Fancy Corndog posted:this game really doesn't punish you for anything. the only thing i can think of is retainer class selection This is from a while ago, but I just started the game recently and am trying to catch up with the thread. Which retainer classes are worth going with? I'm assuming it should be one (or two) of the gathering classes?
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Jul 22, 2015 09:50
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ihatepants posted:This is from a while ago, but I just started the game recently and am trying to catch up with the thread. Which retainer classes are worth going with? I'm assuming it should be one (or two) of the gathering classes? Under the assumption you don't plan to pay extra for more retainers, the best pair is either double combat or combat/fisher. Reason being that both give you control over things that are pretty rng, versus the other 2 gatherers where it's pretty easy to get out there and gather your own stuff.
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Jul 22, 2015 09:59
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mr. stefan posted:My problem is that there was about a week period for me between hitting 60 and getting properly geared where I basically couldn't get on at all for personal reasons, and by the time I was able to run Bismark everyone had moved on and only the suckers were left. For pugs, I understand the trouble. But if you're in a group of some kind, wouldn't they just drag you through Bismarck when you got back? Chucat posted:I didn't imagine I'd actually have the fact I left the country for a week and a half and thus missed every turbonerd farming Bismark and Ravana EX would actually be held against me, but here we are. My static only raids 4 hours a week and managed to get the weapons for the folks who were around, but with an expansion release you're always going to have personal matters, limited spare time, scheduling conflicts, etc compounding the normal issues. It'll go away after this week I'm sure (and in our case, everyone has most if not all 180 and some alex gear, so that's great), but having a thing like Faust right there out of the gate really brings it to your attention. In a week or two of additional Alexander gear / esoterics / ravana everyone will forget Faust is a dps check anyway. nuru fucked around with this message at 10:53 on Jul 22, 2015 |
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Jul 22, 2015 10:46
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Minrad posted:the new crafting system is genius because by the time crafters can make raid relevant gear, raiders will mostly have better. This isn't new to this system, though. It's always been like this. Even if the new system wasn't completely brutal the crafted gear would still become obsolete pretty quick. Crafting has always been a bizarre pyramid scheme.
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Jul 22, 2015 12:14
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My static had a lot of trouble getting past Faust last night. I'm our Scholar and since everyone else's DPS is rock solid, it falls on me to figure out how to up my damage and keep tanks alive. What I'm wondering is since a full dot stack (Bio, Bio 2, Miasma, Aero) ticks for only 135, is it even worth it to use dots considering how many GCDs it takes for the dot stack to even catch up to Broil? I'm no good with running numbers on this kind of thing, but has anyone else seen or heard anything? Basically what I wanna know is: should I stop using dots altogether for single enemies?
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Jul 22, 2015 12:17
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Our setup on Faust was WAR MT, DRK OT, DRG, SMN, BLM, BRD, SCH, WHM. We had the MT pull Faust to the bottom right corner. The OT stood within cure III range of the MT which was also close enough that the OT could contribute DPS while the scholar would DPS until around 30% life before switch to full time healing. Just make sure people have food and pots and are ready to burst their asses off for 2 and a half minutes strait. We had our WHM stand right behind where the OT was stacking the adds so they'd run right to him. This cleared with no kiting or LB.
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Jul 22, 2015 12:37
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Holidae posted:My static had a lot of trouble getting past Faust last night. I'm our Scholar and since everyone else's DPS is rock solid,
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Jul 22, 2015 12:40
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Always use dots if the mob will live for the most of their duration. You should be thinking in terms of potency per GCD, and each individual dot is better than Broil in that regard. Also Bio II/Bio are 100% accurate while Broil will be missing a fair amount.
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Jul 22, 2015 12:43
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Also the WHM opened with their aeros before healing. We 1% wiped on a run where aero III missed and cleared the next run. Everyone has Ravens weapons and has ilevel in the mid 180s. After we got the oppressor to about 40% once or twice. Nothing there seems too terribly punishing but the mechanics can definitely screw you up if you're not executing them. All four DPS now have laser responsibility and resin bomb can straight up ruin your day.
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Jul 22, 2015 12:43
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Are you guys using poison pots/strength pots or just food?
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Jul 22, 2015 12:46
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You want to think about it in terms of total potency per GCD. Look at one of your dots' description, check for an initial hit potency, then check how much potency each dot tick should hit for. Dots tick every 3 seconds, so look at the duration of the dot in seconds, divide it by 3, then multiply that by the dot potency. Add that number to the initial hit potency and you now have the total potency of the ability. If that number exceeds the potency of a broil, it's worth using a GCD to cast that ability instead of using a GCD to cast broil (assuming the enemy is going to be alive for the full duration of the dot.) Leave the healing to the white mage and selene. You can help out with healing later in the encounter if your cohealer starts to struggle. That's Faust.
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Jul 22, 2015 12:47
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ilifinicus posted:Define rock solid our lowest dps was ~1030, warrior main tanking in Deliverance the entire time, OT was within melee range of Faust to hit him. The only person that apparenlty parsed low was me at something like 350. I'm told that needs to be somewhere in the 450-500 range. quote:You want to think about it in terms of total potency per GCD. Look at one of your dots' description, check for an initial hit potency, then check how much potency each dot tick should hit for. Dots tick every 3 seconds, so look at the duration of the dot in seconds, divide it by 3, then multiply that by the dot potency. Add that number to the initial hit potency and you now have the total potency of the ability. I didn't actually start healing until 5 adds. Before then it was all dots and Broil, with the occasional bit of spot healing with lustrates when tanks started to dip too much.
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Jul 22, 2015 12:47
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Failboattootoot posted:Under the assumption you don't plan to pay extra for more retainers, the best pair is either double combat or combat/fisher. Reason being that both give you control over things that are pretty rng, versus the other 2 gatherers where it's pretty easy to get out there and gather your own stuff. Thanks! How would it change if I were eventually going to pay for the additional retainers?
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Jul 22, 2015 12:53
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Rei_ posted:Are you guys using poison pots/strength pots or just food? No poison pots but most people were using one str/int/dex pot.
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Jul 22, 2015 12:55
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I'm so happy crafting is extra bullshit now so I can just wait for catchup mechanics and quests and only do those so I can repair my own equipment. The kindest thing Yoshi-P will ever do for me is cure me of the compulsion to level everything to cap. Combat classes are still go, though. How did the FATE change affect the grind mob? Is N Than still packed or have folks moved on to the new zones? It's time to pick a 50, unequip my job crystal, cross Flash, and put in that sweet mindless minimal effort.
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Jul 22, 2015 12:57
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Mr. Nice! posted:No poison pots but most people were using one str/int/dex pot. Yea, for mine as well we were all using Draconian Pots of [Stat]. Dunno if they had poison pots or not, I didnt.
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Jul 22, 2015 12:59
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Holidae posted:our lowest dps was ~1030, warrior main tanking in Deliverance the entire time, OT was within melee range of Faust to hit him. The only person that apparenlty parsed low was me at something like 350. I'm told that needs to be somewhere in the 450-500 range. What percentage where you getting to?
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Holidae posted:Yea, for mine as well we were all using Draconian Pots of [Stat]. Dunno if they had poison pots or not, I didnt. We just used plain old xpots.
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Jul 22, 2015 13:00
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Mr. Nice! posted:What percentage where you getting to? We did beat him eventually, but usually it would start to fall apart around 20%. Sometimes it was a random crit from Faust killing our warrior at half health. Anytime we hit the enrage he was at around 5%.
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Jul 22, 2015 13:02
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Poisoning potions don't work past 50. There is no Heavensward equivalent. Even if there was the expected damage from them at this point makes it very doubtful they're worth it.
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Jul 22, 2015 13:03
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ihatepants posted:Thanks! How would it change if I were eventually going to pay for the additional retainers? If you paid for 2 extra retainers beyond the initial 2 you may as well get the miner and botanist. They can save you some time by fetching up nonsense you can't be bothered to that you end up using a lot like flax, mithril or silver. They also get unique stuff they bring back in exploration like pets. You are on your own if you go with 8 retainers.
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Jul 22, 2015 13:20
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The thing I was looking forward to most was my retainers hitting 60 and then I could get rid of all my <60 gear. Now you're telling me I can have more retainers? The cycle begins anew.
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Jul 22, 2015 13:34
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3 members of our static weren't there last night so we had to pug a healer and dps and get one of our backup dps. We were hitting about 20% before the paladin died. So once we have our full team together, and we sort of get the rhythm of the fight down for the healers... If we throw pots in and swap the WAR/PLD for MT/OT... We might be able to pull it off? idk
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Jul 22, 2015 14:06
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Just abandon an A2 where we had a str tank that couldn't hold aggro.
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Jul 22, 2015 14:27
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Fister Roboto posted:The tankbuster in A1S does about 25,000 damage without cooldowns. I'll let you draw your own conclusion. Is that a magic tank buster? Tenzarin posted:So tanks in str jewelry still king? For Faust yes.
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Jul 22, 2015 14:30
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Holyshoot posted:Is that a magic tank buster? Yes it's magic damage and hits a 186 DRG for about 30k.
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Jul 22, 2015 14:32
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Rei_ posted:Are you guys using poison pots/strength pots or just food? My team used drac / xpots. We were going to use some ghetto poisons after a 0.5% heartbreaker but didn't realize until we went back in that the old 2.0 potent poison pots will not work on Faust v  vWe cut it about as close as is actually possible, but then we haven't gotten alex normal gear for the week and that'd provide 2-3 upgrade pieces for each of us. That should hopefully make Faust's DPS check less hairy.
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Jul 22, 2015 14:33
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I had a dream last night about STR vs VIT accessories, I'm in too deep
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Jul 22, 2015 14:40
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Mr. Nice! posted:Yes it's magic damage and hits a 186 DRG for about 30k. Drk supremacy. 
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Jul 22, 2015 14:41
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I have been on more than one occasion tempted to get a fourth retainer and make them a miner, just because it is so drat nice to have everything else covered already. Even if you don't need any botany / mining products at the moment they can just go gather crystals for you.
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Jul 22, 2015 14:42
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Holidae posted:our lowest dps was ~1030, warrior main tanking in Deliverance the entire time, OT was within melee range of Faust to hit him. The only person that apparenlty parsed low was me at something like 350. I'm told that needs to be somewhere in the 450-500 range. That's probably a consequence of misses. I think the base chance to miss for a healer is about 5-6% from my (admittedly limited) runs at Faust, which really cuts into your DPS.
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Jul 22, 2015 14:54
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Dr Pepper posted:How do tank classes work in PvP anyway. I like slapping someone with Full Swing then double-Cleaving them with Berserk up. Tends to tear apart people at full HP. I haven't tried fitting Storm's Eye in there, but I'm sure it'd make things even goofier. Siege is really fun, guys.
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Jul 22, 2015 14:58
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Pews posted:The thing I was looking forward to most was my retainers hitting 60 and then I could get rid of all my <60 gear. Now you're telling me I can have more retainers? You have to pay a monthly fee for them!
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Jul 22, 2015 14:58
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Is there a "best" set of gear for Spiritbonding in HW for the purposes of making gil? Should I just grab the i115 set and fully bond that?
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Vermain posted:Is there a "best" set of gear for Spiritbonding in HW for the purposes of making gil? Should I just grab the i115 set and fully bond that? Unless it's crafting gear/materia I don't think you'll be getting much gil out of it, right at the moment.
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