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Feinne posted:Managed to record last night, so ideally update should be tomorrow. Here's some trivia, this time just some random questions. In order, we got AT1's HOSHIYOMI (Star Singer, as in Misha's role), AT2's MIO (Waterway, related to Cloche being the Maiden of Aqua), AT3' SAKIYA=RUMEI ("Blooming Night, Lapis Life", with the reading being given only for the sake of keeping a pattern as this subtitle is just a case of transliterating Sakia Lumei's name in a very Lyrical Style of Japanese). But the common thing is that Side Blue is always the Akiko Shikata's Spotlight Disk of the Vocal Soundtracks, as it usually holds all of her songs along with those of one or two singers outside the AkiHaruNori Triumvirate like Yuko Ishibashi (AT1 and AT2), yoko (AT3) and KOKIA (AT3), so of course Ar Nosurge's Iteration is centered around Ion's Songs along with the ones of Kanon as sung by the late ORIGA. It also makes the place Ion was held up into a nice yet obvious callback to AT1.
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Feinne posted:Speaking of Side Blue, whose side actually IS that anyway (as in which of the principle performers is always on Side Blue)? For Side Blue Characters they would be, in release order: Misya, Cloche, Finnel, and Ion. With Side Red Characters being: Aurica, Luca, Saki, and Casty. Actually finished the game last night and went into the EXTRAS at the main menu. Totally glad that they had the Synthesis dances in it and that the model viewer involved the crafting characters dancing as their animation. Was wondering where they were keeping all of the post-synthesis/purification conversations. Edit:Huh, was wrong on Finnel's and Saki's sides. Goes to show how much I care about AT3 InfinityComplex fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Jul 18, 2015 |
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With such a comprehensive answer provided, I feel the need for a BONUS QUESTION: What's odd about Ar Nosurge Side Red?
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Feinne posted:With such a comprehensive answer provided, I feel the need for a BONUS QUESTION: Its subtitle, which refers to Nay instead of Casty, whereas Blue's subtitle refers to Ion.
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Feinne posted:With such a comprehensive answer provided, I feel the need for a BONUS QUESTION: It's related to the fact Casty is the Face of the Album: The Side Red albums tend to be the only place in the Vocal Soundtracks where anything sung by Haruka Shimotsuki or Noriko Mitose is found (The only exception is one Battle Hymmn that has yet to be unlocked in this LP), so they hold a pattern of having for a subtitle something that could be linked to the Character with the Shimotsuki-performed Songs. Ar Nosurge is not an exception with TENTOUKI (Divine Empress), but it makes it feels awkward when the largest bulk of the songs in the disk has "Casty featuring Yoshino Nanjo" filled in their performer field. AstraSage fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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Hmm? What’s with all these hugs? Something your brother said? O-Okay, okay, geez. S-So, story time, then? They managed to catch up to Nelo and Prim at the space buses, I assume Nelo pretended to sprain her ankle and made Prim carry her or something.  Huh? You sure are persistent…What…? How are you still moving? Ixit should have stopped you!  Did you really think you could outwit me when it comes to computers? You should have done your homework. I helped too! What’s with you…? How annoying. Nelo, please, stop trying to destroy this world…Together we can come up with another way to get back home.  I thought about that for thousands of years and couldn’t come up with anything. …Even if you can’t get back, we can make you welcome in this world.I’ll stay here too. It might be hard at first, and you might still want to go back… But I know we can find a way to be happy here. Please! Stay with me! Nelo was well past the point of buying into Ion’s lines. Which, when you get down to it, is why the story didn’t end quite a while ago.  You think I’m just being selfish, right?That I’m willing to destroy this world just to get home. But what you’re trying to make me do isn’t any different. In the end, you’re just trying to force me to accept your ideas about what’s right and wrong. You’re telling me to have hopes and dreams without thinking about what I want. You’re the worst. I… I just don’t want the people of this world to disappear. That includes you! … Uh, yeah…You realize Nelo was forced to come to this world, right? Why should she have to sacrifice, again, for the world that took her? Why can’t she just go home? If Nelo goes home, this world will disappear. Everything, including you, Prim, will just vanish.That includes your mom and dad. They’ll go away too. Huh?That and a terrible choice Nelo made a bit earlier.  What…? Have you already forgotten about Cass and Delta?! Ugh, just shut up already!I don’t know them. Besides, it’s not like it matters. I don’t care about this boring world anyway. I just want to get out of here! Get out…?Prim, you’re… You’re under the influence of Interdimend, aren’t you? You just realized that now? Took you long enough.Sorry, but there’s not much left of the Prim you know. So will you just stop bothering me? If you keep being a pain, I really will destroy this world. Heh… Even with that robot, it’s not like you can stop us, anyway. C’mon Nelo, let’s go. Oh… Sure.When I was hearing this story, we actually had to stop for a while at this point because I wouldn’t stop yelling about how many times they’d just let them walk off.  That’s what happens…? It’s like she’s an entirely different person. Prim’s mind has been entirely overridden by the other being. I doubt she can sense much of anything, now. We need to hurry and tell the others about this. Okay… I’ll come back later, Shirotaka. Okay! Hopefully next time we can relax a little.Like I want to reach through time and space to yell at these guys.  …Huh? Nay isn’t here. Maybe she’s at PLASMA headquarters?They found Nay at the Headquarters, and of course everything was going terribly again.  I wonder what happened… Oh! You’re back?! Y-yeah, we just got back… Nay, you’re at headquarters, but you’re not wearing…uh… That doesn’t matter! Something terrible has happened!The Flask Sea suddenly started rising, and all the humans and Sharl working near it are being consumed. What? That’s bad… Is she planning to consume the entire Soreil? We need to get over there, now! Sorry Ionasal, but we’re going to have to put Ixit on hold for now. This takes priority! Okay! Be careful, everyone!As she’d warned, the Flask Sea had risen greatly.  PLASMA Troop: Ms. Sarly! Good work. What’s happening here?PLASMA Troop: W-Well… The water level of the Sea suddenly started rising… We know about that already. What about the people inside?PLASMA Troop: Because of the rising water, we can’t move between the Placenta and the Flask Sea. There are still some people left behind. The Prime Minister and Ms. Casty… They’re all still inside. Oh no! Is there any way to help them?PLASMA Troop: I don’t think so… The people who went to rescue them still haven’t returned… This is the worst possible scenario. Even Delta and Cass are inside… Wh-What should we do? Let’s look for a terminal. There might be something we can use to change the fluid level. Okay!And the situation for Delta and Cass was quite dire.  Oh no… Is there even a way to talk to Cass and the others? Hmm… Communications might still be up. Is it working? I’ll give it a try...Yes! It worked! Cass! Delta! Can you hear me?!  Is that Sarly? That voice is…! Prime Minister! Are you alright!? Yes, I’m fine. Casty and Delta are safe as well. That’s great! Now we just have to go rescue— …That would be impossible.You must get away from the Flask Sea immediately. Whatever you do, do not touch the water. What…? Why? The Maternal Overseer is absorbing all the life energy around her, in an attempt to consume all of this world’s souls.The Flask fluid conducts soul energy very easily. If you touch the water, your soul will be absorbed instantly. What?! You need to evacuate the rest of the humans and Sharl in Quanturv as soon as possible. But you--!Undou had a plan, it seemed.  What is it? What are the chances of success…? God only knows… But I must try.I must return the Maternal Overseer… Zill, back to nothing! I will save Delta and Casty. I promise. No… This is too reckless! That is not relevant. I must try. If the worst should happen, you must take care of the Divine Empress. Prime Minister! Oh no… Dammit… What are we going to do? If the fluid keeps rising…What can we possibly do?! C-Calm down, there’s got to be something… Ionasal…You’re right. I apologize. Let’s think. There has to be a solution. A way to save them… I’m going to the Turbine Control Room to work on this. Could you look for another solution? Ion and Earthes headed to the water’s edge to think, and came up with an answer.  There must be some way to get into the Placenta… We should jump down from above./Let’s tear down the door. Above…you’re right! Like that time I fell from the Sharl Road.They headed to the Sharl Road, knowing they could get directly to the Placenta that way.  But by the time they arrived… Video- “Delta’s Choice”  Watch Delta! Cass! Ion?! How did you get here? …Did you come down from above?! Yes, but that’s not important. Are you okay? Where’s the Prime Minister?! I’m sorry… The Prime Minister was consumed by the Maternal Overseer! No…no!Feinne’s Notes: The Maternal Overseer speaks in Undou’s voice for this whole scene, if you’re not watching the video. …It was far too late.  Prime Minister!? Are Delta and Casty safe? We’ll come save you right away! No, listen to me. I’m fusing intentionally.I’m attempting to suppress Zill’s thoughts, and persuade her soul. If I can change her mind, I may be able to stop this rampage. Not bad… Are you okay, though?! I’m fine…at least I hope so. Her will is exceptionally strong. She’s stubborn, that’s for sure.I will suppress her, though. I’m the only person who can. If I can keep her at bay, the water level should drop enough for you to open the door. When that happens, you must go! We can’t just leave! What’ll happen to you?! I will restrain the Maternal Overseer for as long as I can. Please, stop! …I’m sorry. I should have been able to stop the Maternal Overseer from being created in the first place. But my love for Zill was too great. Her dedication and determination were…magnificent. It’s hard to tell someone you love they’re doing something wrong. That’s part of why your father’s the best, because he’s never once failed to do just that.  Prime Minister… …Stop screwing around!You can still stop her! Don’t give up! If you really love Zill, then do what has to be done, and shut this thing down! …You are quite correct. IF I truly loved her, I should have stopped her.It was my own weakness that prevented me from doing so… A-Anyway, the Prime Minister’s sacrifice at least was not in vain.  The water’s receding! We can’t just leave the Prime Minister here and take off! That is exactly what you must do. I can’t maintain this level of resistance much longer. Hurry! Delta, please. If we’re consumed too, nobody will be able to save the Prime Minister! But…! Get it together! Right now you’re not in any kind of shape for a fight! … Come on, we need to go… poo poo… poo poo! I’m sorry…Delta was especially stung by his inability to do anything to help his friends.  I’m so sorry… It isn’t your fault, Ion. Don’t worry. …Although I guess I don’t have a reason why not. Nay, please! Let me go save the Prime Minister! You’re being reckless. The water only receded for a little while. The level’s already going back up.Right? Yes. As is the rate at which souls are being absorbed. All you’d do now is get yourself absorbed. We can’t allow any humans or Sharl near there. I…I think we need to abandon all hope of a rescue. Wh-What…? You’re just going to abandon him?! What do YOU think we should do?!Run in there like idiots and get everyone killed? No. I’m not going to allow that. The Prime Minister did what he did to save you! …Then what am I supposed to do? For now, just sit tight. I’ll call you if I need something. … …Delta. Hey…So much so, that he was willing to bring up something rather painful.  Are you insane? There’s no way you can fight something like that alone! Alone, yeah, probably.But if the guy in the other world had been able to get Earthes and Ion there a little sooner, I could have. We could have saved the Prime Minister. There’s no point in thinking about what might have been. Let me set you straight.Hypotheticals are pointless, but…you are right about something, Delta. If you had been connected to Interdimend, Ionasal could have reached you sooner. And you and Cass would have been able to buy enough time for that to happen. What are you talking about? Intervention from the other world was making Delta’s body…different. Almost like antoher person.I understand why you weren’t very happy about that, Cass. But right now, we need that power. Delta… I want you to reconnect with Interdimend. That’s not funny!Though perhaps more painful for Cass than himself.  I don’t care if you think I’m cold. We need Delta’s power. You know it as well as I do. You don’t need Delta’s power, you need the power from the other world! Yeah, I do! And the only person who can access that power is Delta! How do you sleep at night? You talk like you’re just asking him to buy groceries!If you want that power so badly, then use Interdimend yourself! If I could, I would… Then figure out how you can! Both of you, shut up! Delta…? Just…quiet down for a second… Hey… Delta! …Ion, I’m sorry, but could you go after him? Oh, sure… I’m going too! Cass, are you— I’m. Going. Too. …Ugh. Fine, do whatever you want.Certainly she was acting like she was the one who was going to have to suffer from the choice.  …I’m going to use Interdimend again. …What? I’ve been thinking about it, and… Well, this is really the only choice. What are you talking about? IF you do this, you’re going to start drifting away again.You’re only just now starting to remember the past… Do you really want to forget all that again? Stop looking at it so negatively. You don’t even know if you CAN disconnect it a second time. You got a point. How can you be so optimistic? I’m not really being optimistic.It’s just that…right now, I’m pretty useless. There’s so much I care about, and I want to keep it safe, but I can’t DO anything. If we don’t do something, Nay, the city…even Prim… They’ll all disappear, and I’ll be helpless. I know, but you can’t save everyone by yourself.You’re a normal person, you aren’t some kind of hero. Yeah.But right now, I can’t even protect the one person who’s most important to me. Who…?Though I suppose at some level she was, since she was the one who would have to watch him slowly slip away again. Especially after he said things like this.  What? Can you at least let me become a hero for you, Cass? If that’s what you want, you should do it yourself, not borrow power from another world. That’s not cool. Yeah, I know.But… I don’t really care if it’s cool or not, as long as you’re safe. It won’t matter how cool I look if I don’t have you around. …You really are an idiot.You don’t even know if you can stop the Maternal Overseer WITH Interdimend, right? I thought about that, and I think there’s a way to win. …How? Prim was trying to disconnect me and Earthes from Interdimend.Why would she want to do something like that if the Maternal Overseer is almost complete? No idea… Probably because it’s too much of a threat to her.So much of a threat that even Prim, who’s using Interdimend too, is afraid of it. I think you’re right. Ion.Even though it wasn’t her choice to make, he still wanted her to be a part of it.  You’re right that it was interfering with Prim’s plans.She said herself that it was frustrating how we were always one step ahead… Please, Cass. Let me do this. For you. Why are you asking me? Because I don’t want to do anything you don’t agree with. …That’s not fair.Fine, okay. Do it. Really? I’m not saying we need Interdimend.Just…it would be bad if you…couldn’t protect me. …So I’ll approve it. This time. Cass… But before you do, can I ask you for something? …What is it?And so she had a bit of a request.  That should do it.Alright Cass, the song download is complete. …Thanks.Do you think I could borrow that? What? The Avatar Core. Why do you want it? Does it really matter? … I guess not. Just be careful. Should I power it up? Yes, please.System Message: It is now possible to switch channels to the [Delta & Cass Side]. Here you go, all set. Thanks.Well, several really.  So don’t bother us! I know, I know. You sure are persistent. Only because I know I can’t trust you. What’s that supposed to mean?! Cass…are you sure this is okay?It might be better if I sing the song to connect Interdimend to Delta… No, I’ll sing it. I…I don’t want anybody else doing it. Take care of her, Delta. Yeah, I know. Don’t worry, we’ll have Interdimend reconnected when we get back.…Just like you wanted. … …Let’s go. Alright then. See you later. Be careful. Will do.After they left, it was time to start on what they’d actually returned to Felion for.  …Right. Okay, Ionasal, come with me. We’re going to the Turbine Room. What? Why? …Didn’t we come back here to fix Ixit’s memories? Oh…right. Did you actually forget? S-Sorry, with Delta and Cass and everything there’s just been a lot to think about… …Well, I guess this is YOU we’re talking about.Especially important, since suddenly they needed a new Prime Minister.  I guess sometimes things just work out in strange ways.Coincidences might seem scary sometimes, but sometimes they work out pretty well. Yeah…Um, thank you, Sarly. What are you thanking me for? For fixing my memories, I guess. Ah. Well, that was a long time ago, so your gratitude doesn’t really matter now.And besides, I only helped set that up. The person who woke you up was from another world. Knowing someone you don’t even know saw your memories doesn’t make you uneasy? Maybe a little… But I wasn’t scared… The person on the other side was very kind. Hm. Sounds like we got lucky, then. You, me, and this entire world.Anyway, it’s done. I’ve modified the World Pack for Ixit. Really?! What are you going to call it? Um…I didn’t really think about that. What about World Pack ver. 2? Uh, why not give it a cooler name? Since we’re going to all this trouble. Cooler…?Not so important was the name.  What does that mean? I made it up, it doesn’t really mean anything.I guess if you really want a meaning, you could say it’s made to take the first step towards survival… Although that might be a little dramatic for a program that’s just meant to fix Ixit’s memories. That’s not true. I think it’s a great name. Well, we probably won’t have much of a chance to use the name anyway. What? Why? Because…Quell->EX[lic]->{hymi ah⇔iyon raul}; …That’s all you need to do to install it into Earthes. Now all you two need to do is Chain with Ixit to start the program. I’m sure it’ll help with repairing her memories. …Sarly, you really are amazing. You made this in such a short time. I already had the original program, so it was pretty simple.The truly amazing one was Dr. Clackett, original inventor of the Surge Concerto Terminal. I might be chasing his shadow for my entire life. I’m thankful for that, but it’s also frustrating. I see… Oh, sorry for talking so much about myself.Anyway, you should try Diving into Ixit’s memories from a Bios Shop. I’m sure it’ll go great. Okay, understood. Thanks, Sarly.Hmm, but that’s a tale for another time. And not next time either, because Delta and Cass had, well, something to do. Next Time, Ar Nosurge: Interlude: Collapse
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Man, that scene between Delta and Cass on the Interdimend thing is actually sad. They went through so much to get it off Delta, and now they're forced to take it back. It was pretty predictable, but it still works pretty well. That Cass is not being terribly tsundere helps a lot, too. And Prim being under Interdimend answers so much. Like why she suddenly grew a brain.
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This game would be improved immensely if Caim was the person controlling Delta and stabbed the gently caress out of Prim, Zill, and Nelo as soon as possible
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"Oh my gosh, we need to collect my seven friends so we can complete the heptaforce of compasson and convince nero that-" "Nope, no need. I just murdered the stupid bitch behind it all, and stabbed some sense into Nelo, and Kanon. We're good." "Oh... uhh, ok?" "Yay, friendship!" 
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Honestly Ion would be kind of upset Kanon got stabbed if she died from it because she needs her for things (from how she described it it's kind of unpleasant to be here thanks to her connection to her 'real' world) and she appreciates the fact that for the most part Kanon will just go along with whatever she says without questioning it but she wouldn't really be that broken up about Nelo and Prim getting all dead. Oh she'd ACT really upset but she's such a bullshitter. Also honestly Prim wasn't wrong that it would be really bad if they got captured again, because Nay might have already done something really extroverted to them if she'd been there when we captured them the first time. She was willing to commit genocide, I suspect she'd have strongly advocated coming up with a more permanent solution to Prim and Nelo. Feinne fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Jul 20, 2015 |
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You mean really good if they got captured again. Because honestly, I cannot feel too sad about whatever happens to them.
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Elric posted:You mean really good if they got captured again. Because honestly, I cannot feel too sad about whatever happens to them. Prim is currently under mind control, so killing her deliberately feels a tad on the horribly evil side. I really can't muster much sympathy for Nelo, though.
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So Prim is using Interdimend too... but who's on the other side?
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Tarezax posted:So Prim is using Interdimend too... but who's on the other side? If I had to guess, I'd say Zill.
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Someone playing a JRPG where you save an Earth girl from the evil aliens who kidnapped her. 
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If they hadn't gone through the whole forcing you to be a dick to Delta at the end of the last phase. Then this whole situation could have been resolved much more reasonably. Plus Earthess could just have interjected with a "trust me" or something and it would not have felt too dumb. Here there was a whole massive thing about reconnecting Delta to Earthes' controller. And everyone just pretends that Earthess has nothing to do with it, while the giant robot is just standing there.
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Tzarnal posted:If they hadn't gone through the whole forcing you to be a dick to Delta at the end of the last phase. Then this whole situation could have been resolved much more reasonably. Plus Earthess could just have interjected with a "trust me" or something and it would not have felt too dumb. Here there was a whole massive thing about reconnecting Delta to Earthes' controller. And everyone just pretends that Earthess has nothing to do with it, while the giant robot is just standing there. Eh, there was nothing you were going to say to change the outcome of that, Delta was pretty upset at the time. And someone there actually does know what's up, they just want a more private conversation with the person from another world. Perhaps they asked for what is otherwise a large and tacky doorstop to do just that. The game will actually imply some things about the person controlling Prim that will make their actions make a lot more sense. EDIT: There might be an update tomorrow, but my recent illness seems to have taken a turn from 'annoying and I can't do the actual paying work I'm trying to get done' to 'potentially actually serious lung problem' and I may or may not be able to. I'll keep you informed and come up with something to occupy if I have to delay. Feinne fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Jul 20, 2015 |
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This is really a strange situation for me because this is one of the few stories where I kinda want the protagonist to lose. There is just such a disconnect with actually caring about what happens to these characters, usually I'm on the protagonist side, or I at least enjoy them as characters, but here there is just none of that and I end up wanting the protagonist to lose.
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Jul 20, 2015 15:24
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Alard posted:If I had to guess, I'd say Zill. This seems unlikely.
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For a seven-dimensional game, a lot of these characters sure lack any dimension above the second.
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Feinne posted:Eh, there was nothing you were going to say to change the outcome of that, Delta was pretty upset at the time. I think it's more about not wanting to be a dick to Delta, then actually changing any outcomes.
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Alard posted:I think it's more about not wanting to be a dick to Delta, then actually changing any outcomes. Oh for sure. It'd be nice if there was a non-dick option that didn't require a Ciel Nosurge save. I will say one bad thing about the LP of this vs actually playing it is that while I'll agree it's got a kind of whatever plot in a lot of places it's also second only to AT2 as far as being fun to actually play in the series and just in general makes a lot of good choices with respect to the gameplay. The next couple of updates do have some really neat scenes but this game does sort of take the whole power of friendship stuff that suffuses the series and maybe goes overboard at times. As you may have potentially gathered I'm a baby soft squishy sentimental motherfucker so I like it but it's not for everyone. Oh, we've also got some fuckin' strange Dives coming up in the short term, including finishing Sarly's story from the first one, an even ruder move than the giant DP cost at the end of Luca's, and how Ion ruined Nay's life. Feinne fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Jul 20, 2015 |
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It's kind of funny how these games emphasize the power of friendship because off-screen the only reason they couldn't weaponize the power of friendship and conquer the world is because the bad guys can't understand it.
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Argas posted:It's kind of funny how these games emphasize the power of friendship because off-screen the only reason they couldn't weaponize the power of friendship and conquer the world is because the bad guys can't understand it. A game where the villains weaponize the power of friendship and love would be amazing.
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Elric posted:A game where the villains weaponize the power of friendship and love would be amazing. Wasn't that the plot of one of the Dives? The Marriage and Friendship Organization is tired of your emotionless poo poo!
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RelentlessImp posted:Wasn't that the plot of one of the Dives? The Marriage and Friendship Organization is tired of your emotionless poo poo! We also in AT2 were in fact using the antagonist's old superlaser powered by friendship in several ways.
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Feinne posted:We also in AT2 were in fact using the antagonist's old superlaser powered by friendship in several ways. Infel is life. Infel is love. REPLEKIA is Infel.
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Infel and Nenesha pretty much used the Power of Love and Friendship to attack our heroes in the final fight.
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Yes, I’m really here. A certain someone suggested I was maybe working a bit too hard, so I decided to take some time off. Speaking of working too hard, before snack time let’s have a bit more story. It looks like last time you got up to the contest items?  Yes, it delivers mail to people far away... I'm thinking we can call it the Flappy Chunpost.Sharl A: It's so cute how the wings flap. Sharl C: I want one of these, too...! Hehe, I'm glad you like it. Looks like it's really popular, Kanon.Sharl A: Hey, it's Ion! Welcome, Ionasal. As you can see, it's quite a hit.Looks like it wasn't a mistake making Chunpi merchandise. ...Seems so.Sharl B: Well, you helped make it, too, right? Ion? I really like this. It's so cute! Yes, I like Chunpi, too. I think it's really cute.I'm so glad you all like it. Do Sharl even write letters?/The flight range is too short, though.Sharl A: Hmm... I don't think I've ever written one before. Sharl C: But, the Flappy Chunpost is so cute, I might start writing letters every day. Haha, it would be great if you enjoyed writing letters to each other.Anyway the Sharl seemed to like them, and since Ion hadn’t voiced her concerns Kanon was feeling quite confident.  Yes, I have.I thought it would be reckless to only submit the Flappy Chunpost. Yes, well, I suppose you have a point. It's cute, but it's very practical, too. And if they like it this much already, I think we have an honest shot.Ahh, I can't wait to hear the results! ...I don't know if I've seen you this excited before, Kanon.Postman: You've got mail. Looks like it's from the Best Shop Contest organizers. Ah, thank you very much. A letter from the organizers... I wonder what it is?Sharl A: It's probably the results of the prelims... Huh? Contest results are sent by mail?Sharl B: The prelims are. ...And the shops that survive this round get to go to the real competition. I didn't know that... Let's find out how well we did... This is so exciting!Sharl A: Kanon, hurry up and read it. Oh, don't rush me, I'm reading it right now....!? Hm?Giving her such confidence was not the kindest thing Ion could have done.  Sharl B: Kanon, you don't look too good. Are you alright? Sharl A: Kanon, tell us what it says... Now, now, I'll read it for her...Umm, after careful consideration and evaluation of your product, we regret to inform you that... ... Sharl A: D-Does that mean you didn't make it? Y-Yeah... It's unfortunate, but it seems like we didn't make it through the prelims.Sharl A: Oh no... But the Flappy Chunpost was so cute. Sharl B: Does this mean it won't be in your store anymore? Don't worry, we didn't just make it for the contest.Besides, she would never remove an item everyone likes so much. Sharl C: Thank goodness... ... U-Umm, I'm sorry everyone, but I need to talk to Kanon. May we have some privacy?Sharl A: Okay. We'll come back later! Sharl C: Kanon, see you next time! She… didn’t take failure well.  ...Didn't make the prelims... Yes? I can't believe we couldn't even make it into the contest itself... Dropped in the prelims? There's no need to be so upset. Your shop is still brand new, after all.You shouldn't feel so upset, it's just a contest, after all... I'm not upset! !!? I just...... It's nothing. I'm sorry for shouting. Aww, there's no need for that. What's the matter? It's nothing, really. Can we not talk about it, please?It's all over now. There's nothing left to discuss. ...When Ion returned, she’d taken a bit of a turn for the worse.  You've made a new one? Wonderful. I've made quite a few, actually, which is why it took me so long. A few!? Yes... I thought, instead of slowly adding new things, we could introduce a lot. This isn’t like you, Kanon/Wouldn’t it be hard to search through… I agree, but that's totally different from what you've been doing so far...What made you decide to do this so suddenly? Can you think of a better way?If we lost in the prelims, maybe what we're making isn't that high in demand... That's why we need more items to choose from, so we can make something that's actually in demand. B-But... There's no point in arguing. Please, take a look at the recipe. ...I understand.After what had happened with the contest submission, Ion decided to be honest about these.  Thank you, Ionasal. What did you think of them? I'm going to be honest... I don't think you should make any of these recipes. Wha-!? Are you trying to tell me none of them have any potential? Well, there were a few things that caught my attention, but... You don't have to sugarcoat anything for me. Very well...There were items that were way over the top, or underdeveloped. Some even looked hard to use. The one thing I felt you needed to dial back was the Chunpi merchandise. B-But... the next generation of Chunpi products I was going to make is cuter than the last one... Your concept for Chunpi merch was something that's cute and useful, right?But, all I see are a bunch of useful items with Chunpi slapped on the side. ... True, there were some genuinely useful items, but you should've put those items onto a single recipe.I wouldn't advocate this style of making recipes. Unfortunately, she did not understand the reason her friend was behaving so strangely.  I know you feel bad about not making the prelims, but throwing ideas at the wall won't make anything good.If you actually make these items, even the Sharl would be disappointed. ...You might have a point.Now that I think about it, most of the recipes I made this time were very specific. Unlike the ones I've made before which appealed to a wider range of people. Thank you so much, Ionasal... I think you've helped clear my mind. I think it's best if you take a break from writing new recipes. Yes... I'll consider that... ...Things were worse next time she returned.  Ah, Ionasal... Welcome. Wh-What's the matter? You look rather pale... You don't have to worry, I just haven't been sleeping very well lately. Haven't been sleeping...? How much did you sleep last night? ... Don't tell me... You didn't sleep at all!? It's not rare for me to pull an all-nighter for work. I'm sure you've done it, too. Right? Ionasal? It looks like more than "an" all-nighter to me. How many days have you been doing this? I usually get a little power nap in at night, so you don't have to worry. P-Power nap...? That's unacceptable! You'll break down if you keep this up... I don't have time to argue about it. There's work to be done... You're talking about making more recipes, right? Yep, I'm going to make more and more recipes. Items that will satisfy everyone's needs! You don't have to beat yourself up about it... Of course I do... I have to...Hmm? Yes, Kanon knew what she was doing wasn’t healthy.  ...Kanon, I apologize. I may have gone too far. I can see you're working extremely hard... But I can't help but feel you're overdoing it. You can't possibly make a good recipe in your condition. ... I'm not apologizing! I didn't do anything wrong...! There is no need for you to apologize.You didn't say anything wrong. You told me last time, too, but... I think I'm going a little crazy... ...Are you sure you understand?You told me you would calm down last time, but we're back where we started. I'm not sure if I can trust what you're telling me. ...I do understand. I need to calm down immediately. At least the logic is sound...But I just can't stop. I feel like I need to make more and more items to make people happy. Please don't tell me this is all because of that contest...It's just a contest, after all... I think you're worrying about it too much. ...Ionasal, how did you feel?When you entered the contest, I mean. How did...?But, well, sometimes you get to a point where even if you know you shouldn’t do something, you can’t help yourself.  But it's still a contest... I can't just let this go!To me, the contest was... No, the reason I have this shop is to make contributions to the Sharl. It's all I can do. Make useful, everyday things... It's the only way to repent. Repent...? It's how I must atone for my sins... It was my fault that Ra Ciela ended up the way it did. H-How can that possibly be your fault!? I agreed to the plan, which makes me equally guilty. S-Still, the Sharl don't hate us...So why would you need to repent...? Can you really say that you have absolutely no regrets about what happened to Ra Ciela?Just because the victims and those affected forgive you... Does it mean everything is okay? Of course I have my regrets...No matter the reason, we've destroyed a planet... ...Then, you should understand how I feel.That’s how life can be when you’ve made tough choices, ones you can’t take back.  But, thanks to Delta, you didn't...! Right. Here I am... Still alive.I'm beginning to embrace guilt and live with it... ... If I'm not allowed to die, then I must always feel the guilt with this life that I live.But that's also why I continue to make recipes... To help the Sharl in any way I can. This contest taught me something, though... That it was all just to satisfy myself. That... That's not true!I didn't know you opened your shop to atone for your mistakes... But I do know that you've worked hard for the sake of the Sharl. That's why this can't just be for self-satisfaction. And some of that responsibility for the contest was mine as well. I checked your recipes. So please. Don't blame yourself! ...I understand.But, this is something I have to do. I even feel that's why I'm still alive sometimes. That's not true! That's not why you're here...I’ve, well, I’ve told you some of what I know of that, and I’ll tell you more when you’re older. Just… I can understand trying to find some way to make up for your mistakes.  ...Okay.One of your good attributes is that you don't cave that easily. But, it can also get in the way. Alright... I'll stop trying to convince you. But please, please promise me you won't overexert yourself. It's hard for me to see you like this. Pushing yourself so hard... I'll try to get better about it... Okay, for my next recipe... ...The scales might be different, but that’s not really what matters.  ... ...? Kanon? Huh? O-Oh, I'm sorry!I guess I just spaced out for a bit there... That's embarrassing. ...Um, you look very worn out.There's not much energy in your voice, and you don't look too good... Every working adult has days like this.But forget about that, Ionasal... I want to show you something. System Message: Obtained the recipe for [For a Higher Quality of Life]! ...Did you make this without sleeping again!? I didn't want to lose my concentration... I'm sure you can appreciate that, at least.Take a look... ...Okay. Give me a minute.Hmm... ...Wh-What do you think? I actually think it looks pretty good. Judging from just the recipe.I think it will turn into something fitting of the name you gave it. Anyway, Kanon had another recipe. This time, she’d actually thought it through. Unfortunately, she’d also put a bit too much into it.  I was quite worried... That you might think it was unsatisfactory.Whew... I don't know if it's relief, but I feel a sudden fatigue coming over me. I'll look after the store today, so you go ahead and get some rest in the back, okay?You haven't been sleeping at all because of these recipes, right? Well, here's your chance. No, I can't allow it.You're busy too, Ionasal. How can I ask you to watch the store? Kanon? I-I feel a bit dizzy... Kanon!?Get a hold of yourself! Kanon! ... I'm going to take her to the back, so you close the doors! Sharl: Hey, it's Earthes! Hello... Where's Kanon...? Hm? Not here? Hey, where did Kanon go? She collapsed, and for a while everything was darkness.  Ugh...ah... Are you awake? That voice is... Ionasal?Kanon awoke to the sight of her friend next to her.  Your room. You don't remember anything? I don't, but judging by the circumstances, I think I can piece it together....I collapsed, didn't I? Yes. In the middle of a conversation, too. It was quite sudden... What about the store? We closed the doors. I couldn't think of running the store when you've just collapsed. ...It seems I've hit rock bottom. Not only have I failed to create new items for the store, but now I have to close it... Um, you collapsed, you know? You can't just brush it off. And in the afternoon... There are children who come to play here...! D-Don't! You can't get up yet. Ah...How could I... What? N-No, I mean, they were in the same bed and all, yes.  *Sniff* Kanon... I've never felt so hopeless... ...Kanon, you have an unprecedented sense of responsibility. Of course, that's not necessarily a bad thing, but I think in this case it's gone too far. Besides, I'm equally responsible for Ra Ciela, so I should atone for my sins as well... Please stop that, Ionasal!Please... Don't say any more. Right now, that's all I have... It's the only way I know how to repent. So please, don't take away my only reason for living. ...I'm sorry. Why are you sorry? Because. All this time, I never really understood how you felt.It felt awful when you started developing recipes on your own, and I couldn't give you my feedback... Even what we submitted to the contest. I didn't thoroughly evaluate it... Just said that I liked it. ...I see.I suppose I haven't been taking your feedback seriously the past couple times... I apologize, I was so fixated on my own goals that I didn't take in your opinion. ...Um, no, I don’t think they were like your aunts or anything. Not that there’d be anything wrong if they were.  It can't be easy, running a store full of a sense of guilt and atonement. I don't run this store just for fun.But that doesn't mean I don't agree with what you're saying... I think it's wonderful that you feel that way. To run a store... For fun. If I could... I want to start carrying more cute, fun items, too. Like the ones you described. Then why don't we start over? Try again?We can discuss our strategy, and come up with cute and interesting merchandise for the store. ...I think that's a wonderful idea. Well then... But, I can't do that just yet.Unless I feel I'm helping the Sharl in some way... I don't think I could forgive myself. ...Of course. I had a feeling you would say that. I don't know, but, it feels like I'm always rejecting your suggestions. I'm truly, truly sorry... No, it's alright. I understand your reasons...Oh, that's right! I made something for you. For...me?But they definitely did care about each other.  A charm...? Y-You mean this stuffed animal? Yes, it's my little stuffed bear charm. I made one for Sarly, too.It's been a while since I've made one, though. So I'm not sure if it's that good... You made this... For me? Why? When I heard your story last time, I was worried you'd try something crazy...And I also realized it was impossible to stop you... But just because I can't do anything about it doesn't mean I wanted to sit on the sidelines. I mean, you went through the trouble of making a recipe just for me. You mean so much to me, Kanon... That's why I would love to be with you, in a time like this, at least. But, I umm... I understand. You have your own things to deal with, too. Yes, which is why I wanted to give this to you, instead.I want you to promise me, you'll never work yourself until you collapse again, even for good intentions. If you can do that for me, I won't keep telling you to stop pushing yourself. But, if you feel dizzy like you did today, please, look at this charm and remember me. And when you’ve got someone to care about, that’s all you really need in life.  Ionasal... Besides, you're doing this out of the same sense of guilt, right? For destroying that planet...It would be meaningless if I didn't do my best alongside you. We'll keep making useful items for the Sharl. Together. ...Hehe, with that encouragement and this charm, I'll have no problem showing up for work tomorrow. ...But, I think I've already spoken too much today. Do you mind if I sleep until morning? Of course not... Good night, Kanon. ...Ionasal. Yes? Thank you... Good night.Ion stayed with Kanon through the night.  Huh!? G-Good morning!? ...You stayed here all night? Yes, well, I was worried about you, you know... How are you feeling? That might've been the best sleep I've had in a long time. I feel so rested. That's a relief... What's going on in there? I hear noise. Huh!? But it's not time to open yet...And were awakened by some unexpected visitors.  Sharl B:] Kanon, you fainted, right...? Are you okay now? Huh!? How did you know that-!?Sharl A: We heard from the robot person yesterday... The store's closed because Kanon needed some rest... Sharl C: That's why we came to visit! I-I see...Sharl B: Kanon, are you better now? Nothing's wrong? Yes, I got a good night's sleep, so I'm much better now.Sharl B: I see. That's great to hear! You need to get a lot of rest at night, you know. ...Yes. And I don't want to cause trouble for you, either.Sharl B: Trouble? Yes, I felt bad closing the store on you yester-Sharl A: Kanon! We brought something for you. Hopefully it'll make you feel better! Huh?Sharl A: We drew a picture of you! Sharl B: And we brought some flowers, too. They smell really, really nice. Sharl C: Yeah. But we don't know what it's called, so... We wanted your help. W-What in the world is this...?Sharl C: Umm... What's it called again? When humans get sick and they do stuff for each other? Those presents...! Uhh, are you talking about "visiting"?Sharl C: Yes, we're visiting you, and these are the presents! Kanon had been so busy with her guilt to see how much she was cared for.  F-For me...?Sharl A: Yeah! Kanon, you always make so many interesting things for us! Sharl C: You've been really cool since the contest. Working so hard... Th-That's not true. I was just... On a rampage.As proof, I've only completed one recipe since the contest... Sharl B: Huh!? You completed a recipe!? Oh, that's right... We just finished it yesterday, so you probably hadn't heard.It's a recipe for improving quality of life. Sharl C: A better...? Huh? I don't think I understand... Sharl B: Maybe it means you need to enjoy life more! Or something like that... Sharl A: I can't wait to see what kind of items it will make. ...Do you truly believe that? You're excited to see MY recipes? The same recipes that couldn't even make it past prelims...? Sharl B: Yeah! We're really excited. Every day! Sharl C: The items you make are really interesting... So we love them. ...To see that she’d already achieved what she desired.  Sharl A: Contri... What's that? Um, Kanon wants to know if you think what she does helps you guys.Sharl B: Yeah, of course! Sharl C: Kanon works the hardest out of anyone. Sharl A: That's why we love this store, and you, too, Kanon. ...Do you really mean it?That's how you all really feel about me...? Sharl A: Sharls don't lie! ...... Sharl B: K-Kanon, what's the matter!? Are you feeling sick again? Sharl C: Kanon... Don't cry... N-No, it's nothing.It's just... What you said... Makes me so happy... Sharl A: Are you sure you're okay? You're not trying to hide anything, are you? Yes, I'm just fine.I think I can actually have more fun at the shop now, thanks to you guys. Sharl A: Really? Yes... I'm going to make even more fun items for you.Sharl C: Yay, I can hardly wait! Now, you children have to come to my store every day, okay?Sharl B: Of course we will! Tomorrow, and the day after that... And after that! Sharl A: Kanon's feeling better now, and there'll be a lot of fun items! Hehehe. Maybe we should all stop and look at what we have every so often. Okay, snack time! Next Time, Ar Nosurge: Delta and Cass
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Super Jay Mann posted:Infel and Nenesha pretty much used the Power of Love and Friendship to attack our heroes in the final fight. They rode into battle on top of a wedding ring. You really can't top that.  (image shmelessly stolen from the lp archive) The first two Ar Tonelico games really managed to sell their antagonists as fundamentally good people that made bad choices under duress (and then sunk cost fallacy set in). Speaking of idiots that made bad choices, Kanon badly needs a stickrectomy (surgical removal of the stick up her rear end). The Chimon and Cosal did a number on the poor girl.
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Omobono posted:The first two Ar Tonelico games really managed to sell their antagonists as fundamentally good people that made bad choices under duress (and then sunk cost fallacy set in). It's much the same for the final boss in Qoga, too, although it's hard to say exactly who is the main antagonist in that game. Ciela acted similarly out of rage and desperation and had to be snapped out of it by a band of do-gooders. She even speaks about being sad about her choices in her Hymmnos (but realizing she has to do what she did anyway). It's just a little less obvious because Ciela is a much higher life form than a human.
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It's an old lesson to learn, but it's always a painful one: when you're living for someone else's happiness, make sure to actually reach out to that someone else and not the impossible version of them that lives in your head.
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Glazius posted:It's an old lesson to learn, but it's always a painful one: when you're living for someone else's happiness, make sure to actually reach out to that someone else and not the impossible version of them that lives in your head. The worst part is that the impossible version of the people she wanted to make thing up to actually DID used to live in her head and he's still being kind of a prick to her.
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Create the most out-of-context caption for this image
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DOOP posted:Create the most out-of-context caption for this image ...worth the $250.
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I could think of a couple, but that was a really adorable scene. Maybe I'm just a sucker for good friendship stories, but I liked that.
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DOOP posted:Create the most out-of-context caption for this image ...strange, because if I hadn't had that horse I wouldn't have spent that year in college. Anyway, that's how we got engaged and how I wound up pregnant.
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DOOP posted:Create the most out-of-context caption for this image "..one of those creepy fan-fics I've heard about, isn't it?" "..ro..hyp..nol..?" mastersord fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Jul 23, 2015 |
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"... just like one of my Japanese Animes!"
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DOOP posted:Create the most out-of-context caption for this image "Oh my, passed out already? But we're just getting started..." e: obviously, did not factor in the dialogue box. Tarezax fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Jul 23, 2015 |
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