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Oyster
Nov 11, 2005

I GOT FLAT FEET JUST LIKE MY HERO MEGAMAN
Total Clam

Jarogue posted:

Just got Rockman EXE WS in the mail yesterday. It plays like a Mega Man Network Transmission but less text and you just jump from stage to stage with no hub world. Its kind of fun since it plays like the first Mega Mans, jump, shoot, and slide. If anyone is interested there is a translation patch that does excited. Now I just need to get the Mega Man and Bass on the WonderSwan.

No you don't. Seriously.

The only things R&F have going for it are the fact that R and F get different weapons from the bosses, the bosses have cute pictures of them being destroyed when the stage is cleared, and the premise is pretty cool, with R-Shadow's complex of being built and abandoned in the future.

It really isn't worth fighting Air Conditioner Man and Japanese Monk Man. That game is terrible.

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Pureauthor
Jul 8, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT KISSING A GHOST

Petiso posted:

Some cool pics from a fanmade remix album:





These are awesome.

ChaosArgate
Oct 10, 2012

Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

Oyster posted:

No you don't. Seriously.

The only things R&F have going for it are the fact that R and F get different weapons from the bosses, the bosses have cute pictures of them being destroyed when the stage is cleared, and the premise is pretty cool, with R-Shadow's complex of being built and abandoned in the future.

It really isn't worth fighting Air Conditioner Man and Japanese Monk Man. That game is terrible.

I never looked at the R&F WS robot masters until just now. Holy poo poo it's like attack of the killer household appliances and their friends the Japanese Monk and a huge bullet. :laffo:

Here's the robot master list:
Dangan Man (Bullet Man)
Konro Man (Stove Man)
Aircon Man (Air Conditioner Man)
Komuso Man (Japanese Monk Man)
Clock Man
Compass Man

Oyster
Nov 11, 2005

I GOT FLAT FEET JUST LIKE MY HERO MEGAMAN
Total Clam

ChaosArgate posted:

I never looked at the R&F WS robot masters until just now. Holy poo poo it's like attack of the killer household appliances and their friends the Japanese Monk and a huge bullet. :laffo:

Here's the robot master list:
Dangan Man (Bullet Man)
Konro Man (Stove Man)
Aircon Man (Air Conditioner Man)
Komuso Man (Japanese Monk Man)
Clock Man
Compass Man

Japanese Monk Man's weapon for Forte is awesome. Forte splits into 4 and is invincible. All you need to do is run into enemies for the rest of the game. Oh, and he ignores gravity, you can literally make him invincibly fly through every level, as long as you have weapon energy, and then sit inside bosses.

There. Everyone can get away without playing it. Don't torture yourself. When I feel like punishing myself I play X7. Even that is better than R&F WS.

Oyster fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Jul 22, 2015

Kite Pride Worldwide
Apr 20, 2009


Nate RFB posted:

So I never touched any of the Battle Network or Zero games, and have noticed a ton of them are on the Wii U VC shop. Which if any should I give a whirl and why?

Play Battle Network 2 or 3. 1 is too rough to be enjoyable and 4 is just plain bad. 5 and 6 are good, but they're not out yet, and 5 has a weird strategy game gimmick that is love/hate.

Battle Network games are really hard to describe because there's absolutely no other game even remotely like them. They're pretty good though and 3 is my personal favorite.

Kite Pride Worldwide fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Jul 22, 2015

its curtains for Kevin
Nov 14, 2011

Fruit is proof that the gods exist and love us.

Just kidding!

Life is meaningless
3 and 6 are seriously some killer Megaman games

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI

NTT posted:

3 and 6 are seriously some killer Megaman games

Megaman 6 kinda gets unfairly poo poo on a lot, but MM 3 and 6 are easily my favorite classic series games. 3, 6, X1 and X4 are the best MM games period, probably. Mega Man 7, 2, 9, IV and V are also honorable mentions.

its curtains for Kevin
Nov 14, 2011

Fruit is proof that the gods exist and love us.

Just kidding!

Life is meaningless
I was talking about the battle network games, I don't actually like Megaman Classic; having a dash on my L button ruined me for those slower paced games.

its curtains for Kevin fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Jul 22, 2015

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI

NTT posted:

I was talking about the battle network games, I don't actually like Megaman Classic; having a dash on my L button ruined me for those slower paced games.

That's silly talk, Battle Network games aren't real Mega Man games

To be fair, I don't like Battle Network because the ones I played were 1, 4 and Network Transmission, that are from what I hear literally the worst ones

everythingWasBees
Jan 9, 2013




I loved all of them but 5. :shobon:

Simply Simon
Nov 6, 2010

📡scanning🛰️ for good game 🎮design🦔🦔🦔

Gammatron 64 posted:

That's silly talk, Battle Network games aren't real Mega Man games

To be fair, I don't like Battle Network because the ones I played were 1, 4 and Network Transmission, that are from what I hear literally the worst ones
That's like hating the X series because all you played were X6, 7 and Command Mission.

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI

Simply Simon posted:

That's like hating the X series because all you played were X6, 7 and Command Mission.

If all I played were X6, X7 and Command Mission I probably would hate the X series man! So I mean, you can't exactly blame me, can you?

Also it's not that I really hate Battle Network per se, I just think they're super, duper boring.

Simply Simon
Nov 6, 2010

📡scanning🛰️ for good game 🎮design🦔🦔🦔
I'm not blaming you, just stating facts :D. BN4 is miserably bad and BN1 has very, very huge issues due to it being new (like Zero 1, but more) - I recommend you try out a better one for a bit, but if not, it's cool of course.

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry
Sounds like BN2 and maybe Zero 1 or Zero 2 are the way to go. Thanks for the input.

Ekusukariba
Oct 11, 2012
Battle network 3 was the best from what i remember, at least it was in my opinion

pick-e
Aug 10, 2014
Japanese Monk Man is real and not some random assortment of words blurted out during a rant? And there's an EXE Wonderswan game? My MM knowledge has increased! :eng101:

I'd say Zero 1 is very much worth playing just like most first games in MM series. It's not the best, but the sense of progression you get as a player learning many new mechanics and flow of the game is always worth it. The grinding really does suck though. BN1 kind of bucks the trend of being worth playing because a lot of the dungeons and enemies are just a pain in the rear end, and for being a relatively short game it takes its sweet time to really "get going". I gave up on the BN series after hearing how bad 4 was, but 2 & 3 were very fun. Personally though I enjoyed the Star Force series more.

Assuming Capcom bring them all to the VC eventually, which version of BN5 is "best" between Proto/Colonel/DS?

Kite Pride Worldwide
Apr 20, 2009


Ekusukariba posted:

Battle network 3 was the best from what i remember, at least it was in my opinion

Yeah, but 2 is probably an easier start. 3 does have the almighty combo of Style Change and Navicust though. Styles > Souls/Crosses :colbert:

pick-e posted:

Assuming Capcom bring them all to the VC eventually, which version of BN5 is "best" between Proto/Colonel/DS?

DS because it has both games, plus some new stuff. If they only bring the GBA ones, then Colonel is the 'enhanced' version, much like BN3 Blue.

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI

Simply Simon posted:

I'm not blaming you, just stating facts :D. BN4 is miserably bad and BN1 has very, very huge issues due to it being new (like Zero 1, but more) - I recommend you try out a better one for a bit, but if not, it's cool of course.

Maybe at some point, but I just don't have the time to play through a few Pokemon style JRPGs right about now.

Simply Simon
Nov 6, 2010

📡scanning🛰️ for good game 🎮design🦔🦔🦔
That's cool.

It's pretty much unchallenged that BN2, 3 and 6 are all really good and worth playing, it depends on personal preference which one exactly is "the best", and I don't think that can be said objectively. I prefer 2 because you can have two styles at once and the bosses in 3 suck, I would prefer 6 if it had more than no postgame (that was cut from the western release).

I also really, really like BN5 and beat both versions twice over on DS (I had that one first, physically at least), but there are people who really hate it and I guess I can understand why, their reasons just don't work for me.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Yeah, I'd say 2 and 3 are the solid high point of the series.

They're also before the BN4 artstyle redesign which I genuinely hated.

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn
If we're talking ease of play/entry, BN6 blows every other game in the series away by a landslide. Unfortunately it's not out yet, so you're stuck with pretty much the original trilogy as your choices. 1 is awful and 3 has some really silly design choices, so yeah I'd go with 2.

And if you like 2, then head on to 3!

pick-e posted:

Assuming Capcom bring them all to the VC eventually, which version of BN5 is "best" between Proto/Colonel/DS?

DS is the complete version, but it had some... interesting voice acting. Team Colonel is presumably the canonical game (not that that means much), and Team Protoman is by far the easier game.

Jarogue
Nov 3, 2012


Oyster posted:

Japanese Monk Man's weapon for Forte is awesome. Forte splits into 4 and is invincible. All you need to do is run into enemies for the rest of the game.

There. Everyone has played it. Don't torture yourself. When I feel like punishing myself I play X7. Even that is better than R&F WS.

Yo can't stop me, beside it not like there a lot of games to play on WonderSwan that has little to no text or a Anime RPG. Mega Man and Bass WS still seems to play better then some of the game boy games and looks better then the DOS Mega Man and Game Gear Mega Man.

I believe you mean Clock Men, unlike Gemini Man, there are 2 of them.
Also here are the bosses look like in case anyone was wondering.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

... Wow. The Red Ash kickstarter comments are legit depressing. I guess it's an echo chamber bubble thing.

Petiso
Apr 30, 2012



We all pretty much agree BN2, BN3 and BN6 are the good ones. Like Alabaster, I think BN2 is the best starting point since it's more straightforward, BN3 has too many gimmicky bosses for a beginner and in general seems more geared towards people who already know the games, BN6 is perfectly fine to start with but (keeping aside the fact that it still hasn't been released on VC) it has so many conveniences and looks so good that playing it first will make older games look worse than they are when you play them afterwards.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.
How does the virtual console handle the multiple versions for the later BN games? I never enjoyed the ones after 2 as much simply because I had no friends disliked the gated content. I also found the art style and scale change in.. I want to say 5... really off-putting. There already wasn't much room for detail, and then you shrink the characters even more?


I also need to get the WS mega man. It's one of the only classic entries I haven't done a buster only run of.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Discendo Vox posted:

How does the virtual console handle the multiple versions for the later BN games? I never enjoyed the ones after 2 as much simply because I had no friends disliked the gated content. I also found the art style and scale change in.. I want to say 5... really off-putting. There already wasn't much room for detail, and then you shrink the characters even more?


I also need to get the WS mega man. It's one of the only classic entries I haven't done a buster only run of.

I only bought 2 which was prior to that but in 2 they gave you all the unaccessible chips at the start of the game. (Which is kinda broken!)

Oyster
Nov 11, 2005

I GOT FLAT FEET JUST LIKE MY HERO MEGAMAN
Total Clam

Jarogue posted:

Yo can't stop me, beside it not like there a lot of games to play on WonderSwan that has little to no text or a Anime RPG. Mega Man and Bass WS still seems to play better then some of the game boy games and looks better then the DOS Mega Man and Game Gear Mega Man.

I believe you mean Clock Men, unlike Gemini Man, there are 2 of them.
Also here are the bosses look like in case anyone was wondering.



Those pictures do not do the robot masters justice.

Though I did forget another kinda cool point of the game - it's one of three that Wily isn't the final boss, the other two being Super Adventure Rockman and MMV. It also is apparently ignored by other games - Shadow Devil Mk5 would be Mk6 if including the one from this game.

Kite Pride Worldwide
Apr 20, 2009


Discendo Vox posted:

How does the virtual console handle the multiple versions for the later BN games? I never enjoyed the ones after 2 as much simply because I had no friends disliked the gated content. I also found the art style and scale change in.. I want to say 5... really off-putting. There already wasn't much room for detail, and then you shrink the characters even more?


I also need to get the WS mega man. It's one of the only classic entries I haven't done a buster only run of.

Each game works the same as ever, but when you pick the COMM option it gives you all the event/version-exclusive chips so you can still 100%, because you obviously can't trade anymore. You can get stuff like BassGS and Gospel chips at the start of the game :v:

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Alabaster White posted:

Each game works the same as ever, but when you pick the COMM option it gives you all the event/version-exclusive chips so you can still 100%, because you obviously can't trade anymore. You can get stuff like BassGS and Gospel chips at the start of the game :v:

Yeah but could you live with a shame greater than using Gater?

Admiral H. Curtiss
May 11, 2010

I think there are a bunch of people who can create trailing images. I know some who could do this as if they were just going out for a stroll.

Finally, we have a picture of Dr. Beard! (~46:00)

Admiral H. Curtiss fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Jul 22, 2015

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh

ImpAtom posted:

Welp. Red Ash is officially trending towards failure now. They can't succeed without a significant last day rush.
Good.

Screaming Idiot posted:

I didn't like the Battle Network games, but Megaman Zero/ZX/ZXA has some of the fastest-paced gameplay in the franchise and is definitely worth your time and money. Do yourself a favor and try them out, I don't think you'll be disappointed,
As a big MMZ fan, I will be straight here and say that MMZ1 is a pretty drat flawed game with some annoying mechanics(an escort mission, game over-ing meaning you can no longer retry a mission, elves etc.). I think MMZ2 is probably my favorite and I might honestly recommend to start with it.

its curtains for Kevin
Nov 14, 2011

Fruit is proof that the gods exist and love us.

Just kidding!

Life is meaningless
Z3 is probably the cleanest installment just because you can actually build and work towards having elves without losing the ability to 100 point a mission. Some elves like the HP double elf are pretty useless because by the time you take that much damage you're already going to have a bad score, but some of them are quite useless.

Also the rising Fire Slash move is pretty much the coolest goddamn thing

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn
Zero was pretty much a series that got better with every game in my opinion. As much as I love Z2, it still had weapon level grinding and probably the most pointless gimmicks of the entire series.

Ekusukariba
Oct 11, 2012
So in minor Red Ash news, their twitter got hacked apparently


https://twitter.com/RedAshGameEN/status/623933409505738752

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Ekusukariba posted:

So in minor Red Ash news, their twitter got hacked apparently


https://twitter.com/RedAshGameEN/status/623933409505738752

Huh. Sort of weird for it to get hacked and then nothing is posted at all. I wonder if they're using hacked in a more "it's hosed up" sense.

Lurking Haro
Oct 27, 2009

It's more likely a false positive got their account locked.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

I like all the Zero series games, but I will say that probably my biggest problem with them is that the saber shouldn't have had a charge slash. Leveling it should instead have (quickly) given the A/S rank or form related specials in the later games.

The buster is the brute force weapon and the charge shot is its thing. The saber and subweapons are for styling.

chumbler fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Jul 23, 2015

Seiyal
Jul 9, 2015

In my mind I just pretend. My brain is my only true friend.
In other minor news, the new issue for Worlds Unite is out and something caught a bit of attention.



Also, since we're in the final stretch as well, we're back to regular Archie artists so there's an art bump.

Screaming Idiot
Nov 26, 2007

JUST POSTING WHILE JERKIN' MY GHERKIN SITTIN' IN A PERKINS!

BEATS SELLING MERKINS.
HIS NAME IS DUFF MCWHALEN YOU loving CUNTNUGGET

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A good poster
Jan 10, 2010
I think by now the Guns N' Roses people would consider getting litigious about that.

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