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Genocide Tendency posted:Again: STOP DEBATING IN DEBATE AND DISCUSSION YOU MORON DO YOU REALLY THINK THIS IS THE PLACE FOR THAT???? lol there is literally nothing wrong with this post other than that it doesn't agree with the d&d narrative (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 22, 2015 23:54
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Cole posted:STOP DEBATING IN DEBATE AND DISCUSSION YOU MORON DO YOU REALLY THINK THIS IS THE PLACE FOR THAT???? It's like a tag-team wrestling match at the Special Olympics.
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Jul 22, 2015 23:55
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Cole posted:STOP DEBATING IN DEBATE AND DISCUSSION YOU MORON DO YOU REALLY THINK THIS IS THE PLACE FOR THAT???? Go back to your thread Cole. Genocidal Tendency posted:Oh. I get it. Expecting people to act civilized is the problem here. Yes. We expect the police to be civilized since they get the guns and the armor and the ability to invade privacy.
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How should citizens be punished for being "uncivilized" ? I'm going to say that it probably isn't by being thrown into jail or arrested, or anything else along those lines. One of the big problems with this situation is that there are a lot of de facto punishments that aren't recognized by the law as such. And when those punishments happen a lot more to poor black people and affect them a lot more because they're poor and unable to access resources. Well… people have pattern recognition.
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DARPA posted:The stop was over. All she had to do was sign and she'd be on her way. But the officer just couldn't let her off that easy. Also just because someone has the legal authority to do something doesn't mean its a good idea.
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Jul 23, 2015 01:05
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Raerlynn posted:Yes. We expect the police to be civilized since they get the guns and the armor and the ability to invade privacy. Terrible argument; in most states, the civilians do as well, and the right to refuse searches without a warrant.
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And now time for your daily dose of rage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqkez5CceTc&feature=youtu.be In February 2015, a New York City police lieutenant grabbed a 6th grade elementary school student of color -- 11 years old -- around the neck and threw her to the pavement on a Bronx street corner, on suspicion -- erroneously -- that she was in possession of someone else's smartphone. Also, here a short video showing some of the edits from the traffic stop. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ38i4Hur_Q Don't worry guys it just a glitch in the matrix.
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Jul 23, 2015 02:19
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:This is the legally correct answer I think, but I'd say asking or demanding it was reasonable, but taking the stop further after the refusal to put out the cigarette is when we crossed into unconstitutional territory. How is it reasonable to demand she put out her cigarette when the stop is over and he can just walk away?
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Jul 23, 2015 02:20
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SpeedGem posted:Also, here a short video showing some of the edits from the traffic stop. All these "edits" appear after the drama is over though, if they were happening during the stop it would be more suspicious but all that's on video at this point is a towtruck driver. Booourns posted:How is it reasonable to demand she put out her cigarette when the stop is over and he can just walk away? Maybe the dude just doesn't like cigarette smoke? Or more likely, her attitude pissed him off and he wants to powertrip a little bit.
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Jul 23, 2015 02:49
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Booourns posted:How is it reasonable to demand she put out her cigarette when the stop is over and he can just walk away? It's an easy request to make, an easy request to deny, and an easy request to walk away from, which is what should have happened. It doesn't infringe on any liberty interests or recognized rights. But I also didn't view it as an order that needed to be complied with (although I admit the manner in which it was delivered makes it seem that way). In a vacuum, it's a perfectly normal request to ask another person with whom you're interacting to do. Obviously this wasn't a vacuum, and there were other motivating factors at play by both the cop and the victim. The whole thing could have deescalated so easily that it just really makes me sad.
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semper wifi posted:All these "edits" appear after the drama is over though, if they were happening during the stop it would be more suspicious but all that's on video at this point is a towtruck driver. Oh cool, you're back too. Last time you said that acting white was pretty good advice - can you explain what it means to "act black" in your opinion?
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captainblastum posted:Oh cool, you're back too. Last time you said that acting white was pretty good advice - can you explain what it means to "act black" in your opinion? It's a point (not mine) made entirely through stereotypes, you're not making any kind of statement here dude. If acting white is being polite and deferential then acting black is being brash and confrontational. If you want to decide that one of those is better than the other that's on you(  racist ), but what I'm saying (or rather agreeing with) is that one of those stereotypes leads to "have a nice day ma'am" and the other leads to you facedown on the side of the road.
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semper wifi posted:It's a point (not mine) made entirely through stereotypes, you're not making any kind of statement here dude. If acting white is being polite and deferential then acting black is being brash and confrontational. If you want to decide that one of those is better than the other that's on you( I can not parse this statement, what are you trying to say?
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semper wifi posted:It's a point (not mine) made entirely through stereotypes, you're not making any kind of statement here dude. If acting white is being polite and deferential then acting black is being brash and confrontational. If you want to decide that one of those is better than the other that's on you(  gently caress. How could I have looked at the world so wrong until now?
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SpeedGem posted:I can not parse this statement, what are you trying to say? If black people want to stop being abused they should just submit to white rule! Obviously!
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semper wifi posted:It's a point (not mine) made entirely through stereotypes, you're not making any kind of statement here dude. If acting white is being polite and deferential then acting black is being brash and confrontational. If you want to decide that one of those is better than the other that's on you( Why is that acting white, though? Isn't acting white carrying around a gun and telling the cop that you have the right to carry it? Or flying the confederate flag? To put it even more clearly, if what you meant was 'act polite and deferential' why didn't you say that?
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Obdicut posted:Why is that acting white, though? Isn't acting white carrying around a gun and telling the cop that you have the right to carry it? Or flying the confederate flag? Are you really asking this question? Everyone knows why those terms are used: because it's an easy way to dismiss claims of racial profiling and racial bias in policing if you convince yourself it's all justified by the way black people inherently act.
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:It's an easy request to make, an easy request to deny, and an easy request to walk away from, which is what should have happened. It doesn't infringe on any liberty interests or recognized rights. But I also didn't view it as an order that needed to be complied with (although I admit the manner in which it was delivered makes it seem that way). He didn't make a friendly request though, he made a demand when there was no reason for him to do so.
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Obdicut posted:Why is that acting white, though? Because that's the stereotypical difference between white people and black people addressing police, something he clearly stated. You know, like Asians being good at math or Mexicans being illegal immigrants. Stereotypes. If you can't understand the concept of stereotypes you have no business debating police reform.
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:It's an easy request to make, an easy request to deny, and an easy request to walk away from, which is what should have happened. It doesn't infringe on any liberty interests or recognized rights. But I also didn't view it as an order that needed to be complied with (although I admit the manner in which it was delivered makes it seem that way). What is even the point of bringing up how nice and friendly it can theoretically be to ask someone to put out a cigarette/make me a sandwich/wash my car/go to dinner with me/give me a blowjob, when you know damned well it's not a friendly request if the consequence for refusing is getting dragged out of your vehicle, cuffed, thrown on the ground, and carted off to a cage?
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Jul 23, 2015 04:11
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Cole posted:Because that's the stereotypical difference between white people and black people addressing police, something he clearly stated. If you stereotype people you are a racist, hope that helps.
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SpeedGem posted:If you stereotype people you are a racist, hope that helps. Be that as it may, asking someone to explain what they mean when they clearly already stated it makes you an idiot.
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Cole posted:Be that as it may, asking someone to explain what they mean when they clearly already stated it makes you an idiot. Maybe he's trying to make a point, telling minorities to "act white" is racist and he wanted the person who used that term to out himself as the racist he is.
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ElCondemn posted:Maybe he's trying to make a point, telling minorities to "act white" is racist and he wanted the person who used that term to out himself as the racist he is. So spin the hamster wheel instead of actually progress the conversation by getting to the point of what he was saying!
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If you stereotype people you are prejudiced, not racist. Racism is prejudice + power.
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The "would you mind putting out your cigarette" request at what should be the end of the traffic stop comes across to me as the equivalent of "if I really wanted to bust your balls I'd tell you to go get your shine box". Designed to get a rise and escalate the situation for no other reason that he didn't like her attitude and wanted to assert his power over the situation.
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Zwabu posted:The "would you mind putting out your cigarette" request at what should be the end of the traffic stop comes across to me as the equivalent of "if I really wanted to bust your balls I'd tell you to go get your shine box". Designed to get a rise and escalate the situation for no other reason that he didn't like her attitude and wanted to assert his power over the situation. Yup. Or as various other people have said, "pick up that can"
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Cole posted:Because that's the stereotypical difference between white people and black people addressing police, something he clearly stated. I don't think there is actually a stereotype of white people being polite and well-mannered when acting with the police, actually. Why do you?
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SpeedGem posted:If you stereotype people you are a racist, hope that helps. I lol'd. Thanks for that. You vote Democrat? Of course you do.  Apparently college police are getting in on the shooting unarmed people thing now: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/prosecutors-rewiewiung-officers-fatal-shooting-unarmed-cincinnati-man-n396116 ""Prosecutors are reviewing the fatal shooting of an unarmed black man by a University of Cincinnati police officer who had pulled the driver over for having a missing front license plate, authorities said Tuesday.""
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Dexo posted:If you stereotype people you are prejudiced, not racist. No it isn't and this is a dumb definition.
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spacetoaster posted:Apparently college police are getting in on the shooting unarmed people thing now: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/prosecutors-rewiewiung-officers-fatal-shooting-unarmed-cincinnati-man-n396116 In Louisiana, all campus cops @ public universities are actually considered state police. Same here?
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bango skank posted:No it isn't and this is a dumb definition. The definition is attempting to point out a real thing from a sociological standpoint (e.g. why "cracker" is never going to have the same power behind it as the n-word does), but it seems completely irrelevant to the first part of Dexo's post so it was pointless to bring it up, yes.
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Obdicut posted:I don't think there is actually a stereotype of white people being polite and well-mannered when acting with the police, actually. Why do you? What is your point in asking this? How does it help the conversation other than running us in stupid circles, effectively getting us nowhere? Honestly, how do you see the next few posts in this exchange going, and how will it add to or help anything? Before you respond to what follows, I would like you to answer those questions first. Black people stereotypically hate police. This is a common stereotype. If you are racist, you probably consider yourself better than a black person just by virtue of being white, right? Do I really need to connect all of these dots for you, or can you stop being willfully obtuse?
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bango skank posted:No it isn't and this is a dumb definition. Stereotyping can be prejudice and it can also be racism, but I agree that the racism = power is a dumb thing that needs to go away because it is basically proven wrong by any definition of the word that will distract from the point attempted to be made with that. Simply saying racism against historically marginalized groups tends to cause far more damage than the reverse would go a long way towards refuting the obvious rebuttals and sidetracks.
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Cole posted:What is your point in asking this? How does it help the conversation other than running us in stupid circles, effectively getting us nowhere? Honestly, how do you see the next few posts in this exchange going, and how will it add to or help anything? Before you respond to what follows, I would like you to answer those questions first. Getting people to essentially admit that they might be racist to some degree is helpful because there is literally no point in having a discussion with people like that in 2015. Additionally, outting people who cannot understand racism on a basic level and use racist language to make their point are also probably not the kind of people you are going to have a very meaningful discussion with. Dancing around pretty straight forward questions is also much more likely to add to stupid circles than answering them in a straight forward way. At least, that is my understanding of the situation.
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ToastyPotato posted:Getting people to essentially admit that they might be racist to some degree is helpful because there is literally no point in having a discussion with people like that in 2015. Additionally, outting people who cannot understand racism on a basic level and use racist language to make their point are also probably not the kind of people you are going to have a very meaningful discussion with. Dancing around pretty straight forward questions is also much more likely to add to stupid circles than answering them in a straight forward way. At least, that is my understanding of the situation. Yeah, swell. But d&d has an unbelievably dumb definition of racism a lot of the times. For example, someone would rather walk down one street than another because of the differing crime levels. If the street with higher crime is mostly black people, whereas the low crime neighborhood is mostly white people, it doesn't matter that the person doesn't want to go down that street because of crime, it is absolutely because it's a black neighborhood. That is the impression d&d gives about the accepted definition racism. Anytime a race other than white is mentioned in a situation where they could possibly look bad, such as the above described situation, it is racism rather than common sense about safety.
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Can we have a rule where when you say "d&d believes in this thing I made up" you have to be able to quote 5 posts made in the last three months that all say the thing you said and none of them were largely disagreed with? I can't be the only one getting tired of hearing it parroted over and over by lunatics like Cole or Swagger.
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