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I can imagine Johan tentatively opening Dom4 for the first time and then breaking down crying, "is this really what my games are like?!"
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I don't like high fantasy or sci-fi games... but if paradox studios made it I'd give it a shot.
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Jul 22, 2015 23:40
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Funky Valentine posted:A Dwarf Fortress wargame. Toady makes a grand strategy game 
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Jul 23, 2015 00:33
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Fintilgin posted:I guess I mean 'Fall of Rome' maybe? There's a big chunk of time between when EU: Rome ended and CKII - Charlie starts.
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Jul 23, 2015 02:27
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Autonomous Monster posted:So I feel like CK's window was pretty fuzzily drawn right from the beginning. Bleed was inevitable.
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Jul 23, 2015 05:58
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Pikestaff posted:Toady makes a grand strategy game To be fair, he's trying to. It's just kind of tertiary to everything else.
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Gamerofthegame posted:To be fair, he's trying to. It's just kind of tertiary to everything else. Toady would absolutely create a grand strategy game then spend 10 years developing how straights effect movement and combat by simulating global fluid dynamics and tides but in the end not actually effect the gameplay in any meaningful way. Then he'd add vampires.
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Jul 23, 2015 06:18
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It's a little bit annoying to discover that the redesigned building system in EU4 is balanced around assuming you have the latest expansion. If not, welp, you are stuck with the levels of development you start with forever.
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Baronjutter posted:Toady would absolutely create a grand strategy game then spend 10 years developing how straights effect movement and combat by simulating global fluid dynamics and tides but in the end not actually effect the gameplay in any meaningful way. Then he'd add vampires. Sorry, you mean it would have no effect on gameplay until someone figured out how to create a giant tidal engine to recreate the biblical flood.
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Jul 23, 2015 13:01
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It takes a really special mind to think the most important things in a cold war game are customizing weapons on ships and straits.
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Jul 23, 2015 13:08
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It's gonna be their take on The Sims, guys, obvs. 
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DrSunshine posted:It's gonna be their take on The Sims, guys, obvs.
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Panzeh posted:It takes a really special mind to think the most important things in a cold war game are customizing weapons on ships and straits. In a war game it'd make sense, but they tried to be a grand strategy game. There was never any real discussion about politics or international diplomacy, which are way, way more important than straits. I kinda like the ship builder but then again I am currently in love with Rule the Waves.
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Alchenar posted:It's a little bit annoying to discover that the redesigned building system in EU4 is balanced around assuming you have the latest expansion. If not, welp, you are stuck with the levels of development you start with forever. So is the AI though I'm pretty sure.
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ArchangeI posted:In a war game it'd make sense, but they tried to be a grand strategy game. There was never any real discussion about politics or international diplomacy, which are way, way more important than straits. Rule the Waves is a nice little game because it's primarily about being a Navy Minister, not trying to be a grand strategy game where you can also precisely choose the turrets on your ships and their layout. I don't really think it, or a detailed take on WW3, in particular, makes sense in a grand strategic game about the Cold War, though obviously the possibility mattered, and putting military forces in Europe was an important consideration for the two superpowers, but WW3 is distinctly not the Cold War.
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Jul 23, 2015 17:11
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Well the arms race between the US and USSR is pretty inseparable from a Cold War game, isn't it? But yes fundamentally all I really want is a game where I play as the US and go around being a dick to banana republics. I think it would be pretty funny if any attempt at WW3 resulted in instant nuclear war that just game over'd you.
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Jul 23, 2015 17:23
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The arms race is important insofar as its effect on spending and policy, not so much on precisely how many missile racks you're going to mount on the Kirov.
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Koramei posted:Well the arms race between the US and USSR is pretty inseparable from a Cold War game, isn't it? But yes fundamentally all I really want is a game where I play as the US and go around being a dick to banana republics. I think it would be pretty funny if any attempt at WW3 resulted in instant nuclear war that just game over'd you. Or closes the game and opens the steam page for Defcon.
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Panzeh posted:Rule the Waves is a nice little game because it's primarily about being a Navy Minister, not trying to be a grand strategy game where you can also precisely choose the turrets on your ships and their layout. I don't really think it, or a detailed take on WW3, in particular, makes sense in a grand strategic game about the Cold War, though obviously the possibility mattered, and putting military forces in Europe was an important consideration for the two superpowers, but WW3 is distinctly not the Cold War. Mind you, it could be an interesting twist to play an engineer at a defense contractor. Will you choose to make the designs that bring your company the most money, the design that gets the brass all hot and bothered, or the design that actually works well in combat at an affordable rate? Decide, but know that the pink slip hangs over your head if you don't please the right people enough! That's about the only way I can think of to turn spergy Cold War weapons system design into a functioning game, anyways.
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I would totally play Pentagon Wars: The Game Also relevant to Rule the Waves
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Tomn posted:Mind you, it could be an interesting twist to play an engineer at a defense contractor. Will you choose to make the designs that bring your company the most money, the design that gets the brass all hot and bothered, or the design that actually works well in combat at an affordable rate? Decide, but know that the pink slip hangs over your head if you don't please the right people enough! Eh, I think an RtW clone would work. Trying to keep the nuclear deterrent strong enough (expensive), developing and building new equipment to keep pace with the other guy (even more expensive) while also trying to run and win the stupid, stupid intervention your government has decided on without weakening the forces opposite the other guy could be fun. Oh and the government has just cut the military budget to fly to the moon.
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Larry Parrish posted:So is the AI though I'm pretty sure. Yeah but that just means that buildings are barely useful for -anyone- considering how few provinces in the game support a fair number of buildings by default.
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Jul 23, 2015 18:49
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I want Toady to work with Steve Walmsley and make Aurora 2. Every spatial body would be modelled with 100% adherence to current scientific understanding, and 95% of the game would be entirely superfluous. Goons love it and acclaim it the greatest work of human art.
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Koramei posted:Well the arms race between the US and USSR is pretty inseparable from a Cold War game, isn't it? But yes fundamentally all I really want is a game where I play as the US and go around being a dick to banana republics. I think it would be pretty funny if any attempt at WW3 resulted in instant nuclear war that just game over'd you. That's what Balance of Power did. You had to push against the opposing superpower to get more prestige and win the game, but if you pushed too hard you'd trigger nuclear war and immediately game over. It occurs to me that there aren't really any games that really do much with political conflicts rooted in ideological differences the way the cold war was. Even Vicky 2 where ideology is a huge part of the game generally only treats it as an internal thing rather than something that you want to spread across the world. Civ V BNW has the Freedom/Order/Autocracy axis but it's very abstracted and tends to end up being incredibly lop-sided towards one of them almost right away (generally whichever one was chosen by either a culture AI or a human player). A hypothetical Victoria 3 extending through the Cold War and building on that aspect would actually be a reasonable direction for the series to go. It's essentially a second colonial era, where instead of literally going around the world and stealing territory from natives, you're going around the world and convincing those natives to embrace socialism or laissez-faire capitalism or communism or fascism or whatever.
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Given that this announcement came within a couple weeks of Wiz stating they thought they had a good fix for the Random New World functionality in EU4, I think its probably going to be a game that relies on that functionality. A fantasy or 4xSpace game seem likely.
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Epinephrine posted:Given that this announcement came within a couple weeks of Wiz stating they thought they had a good fix for the Random New World functionality in EU4, I think its probably going to be a game that relies on that functionality. A fantasy or 4xSpace game seem likely. Since it's a brand new IP I'm interested to see what mechanics they come up with that aren't hidebound to design decisions made over a decade ago.
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Koramei posted:Well the arms race between the US and USSR is pretty inseparable from a Cold War game, isn't it? But yes fundamentally all I really want is a game where I play as the US and go around being a dick to banana republics. I think it would be pretty funny if any attempt at WW3 resulted in instant nuclear war that just game over'd you.  Related to that, did any related devlopment come out of EvW after it was shut out?
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Jul 24, 2015 02:59
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Oh Jeez, I remember that screen fondly.
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Nckdictator posted:
Not from the official team, as far as I know, but there is a fan-made patch of the leaked beta. I haven't looked too deeply into it so I don't know if it's just bug fixing or if it adds features that were supposed to be in the final game.
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So something interesting just happened. I installed Vicky 2 through Steam on my new Windows 8.1 machine and it prompted me to update the .NET framework. Does the launcher target the CLR or something?
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VostokProgram posted:So something interesting just happened. I installed Vicky 2 through Steam on my new Windows 8.1 machine and it prompted me to update the .NET framework. Does the launcher target the CLR or something? The old games launcher was done in C# and was separate from the game, so yeah. Its not until CK2 you get my awesome launcher with integration into the game that can download workshop content for you without you needing to start the game to download the mod, then restart the game to launch with the mod (if you guys remember those pains in CK2 and EU4 when we first added Steam integration)
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Paradox have set up a forum for their new game and are dropping hints every day until some kind of conference starts, https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?forums/project-augustus.900/ Today's hint is quote:Seven and Three are important numbers.
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Jul 24, 2015 11:06
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it's been 7 years since the release of Europa Universalis: Rome (a title with 3 words) 
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Jeoh posted:it's been 7 years since the release of Europa Universalis: Rome (a title with 3 words) Dumping the EU bit of Rome would technically make it a new IP.
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Jul 24, 2015 11:34
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Seven hills of Rome. Rome II confirmed. e: three -> triumvirate?? poo poo I don't know
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Jul 24, 2015 12:02
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7 x 3 = 21 April 21 - Traditional date of Rome's founding!
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Star posted:Paradox have set up a forum for their new game and are dropping hints every day until some kind of conference starts, https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?forums/project-augustus.900/ Gamescon isn't just some conference! Yesterday's hint was: quote:This will be our first new major IP released since the original Crusader Kings over 10 years ago. I honestly have no idea what the 7 and 3 thing means myself 
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Darkrenown posted:I honestly have no idea what the 7 and 3 thing means myself Same here, have been trying to reverse engineer the hint to try and figure out what it actually means
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Groogy posted:Same here, have been trying to reverse engineer the hint to try and figure out what it actually means And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Paradox will finally make a game that deals with the elephant in the room; the inherent celebration of warfare and imperialism which characterizes most of their games. Finally the player will be forced to confront the hypocrisy of the barbarism carried out in the name of civilization.
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