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I forgot that the plot advances w.r.t. black mage army or whatever this quickly. How are those Vivi clones being suspended from the railing? Hooks?
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On the subject of Vivi's physical attacks, I do find a particular use for them early on, when a certain character's ability set makes it more practical to weaken (and not kill) certain monsters. The specifics will obviously come up later, but Vivi's physical attacks do low but not insignificant damage, making him perfect for the job of Pokemon'ing that poo poo.
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Jul 23, 2015 03:55
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Man, poor Vivi. All he wanted to do was check out a play. 
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Petiso posted:As long as the church keeps itself in the background or only acts as a gameplay mechanic (like in Dragon Quest) everything's fine. The moment the church asks you to fulfill a plot-related mission? Oh boy. Don't you beat up the pope in Dragon Quest 8?
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Rarity posted:Man, poor Vivi. Vivi's story is basically a mix of 'man, poor kid' and 'this kid is growing really impressive'.
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Jul 23, 2015 07:37
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Vivi fulfills the required Bildungsroman for FFIX.
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Jul 23, 2015 07:46
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I can't imagine what it must be like having an existential crisis with a monkey man next to you screaming about mist or whatever. And this update reminded me of why I didn't like Steiner. He's a pompous rear end in a top hat. The question "Who decides right and wrong? You?" is something he failed to answer and will continue to not answer for a while.
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SonicRulez posted:I can't imagine what it must be like having an existential crisis with a monkey man next to you screaming about mist or whatever. And this update reminded me of why I didn't like Steiner. He's a pompous rear end in a top hat. The question "Who decides right and wrong? You?" is something he failed to answer and will continue to not answer for a while.
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Jul 23, 2015 08:27
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Mega64 posted:
I didn't realize Morrid was the best NPC. 
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Jul 23, 2015 08:48
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Tell me when the cargo ship will arrive, or else the Alexandrian royal family will appropriate this property!
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Zeikier posted:I didn't realize Morrid was the best NPC. He just does not give a gently caress about the man head to toe in armour threatening to take his house away.
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Jul 23, 2015 09:59
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Zidane is probably getting protective of Vivi because the kid's only eight and eight-year-olds shouldn't get kidnapped. ...or doubt their nature as a conscious independent being. They really sold how corrupt this place was.
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SonicRulez posted:I can't imagine what it must be like having an existential crisis with a monkey man next to you screaming about mist or whatever. A grown man would probably turn evil and become the final boss.
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Jul 23, 2015 12:09
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FF9 is a return to the more cartoony and upbeat style of Final Fantasy, you know, with such things as existential crises in the first act. But seriously, that more serious kind of stuff has been around since at least FF4, and it's usually done pretty well.
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Come to think of it, FFIX is the only FF game I've put more than a few hours into. I started six, but lost my save file, which was... disheartening. The remake of 3 on the DS had my attention for a while, but it was a bit too dry for my taste. Nine was the perfect amount of hand-hold-y for my adolescent ADD brain.
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Jul 23, 2015 15:20
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GilliamYaeger posted:Don't you beat up the pope in Dragon Quest 8? No, not really. The pope is actually a kind old man who get's betrayed and usurped by his underling. You fight the Usurper, who admittedly calls himself the pope at this point (but he's really still Captain Douchebag). I think it's important to differentiate the two.
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One of your party members in DQ8 is even a member of the church, though admittedly a flimsy excuse for one. But still, the church itself in DQ8 is fine. Even the guy you do fight is partially influenced by the game's villain, he wouldn't have done anything so extreme on his own. (Though he's a jerk.)
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zfleeman posted:Come to think of it, FFIX is the only FF game I've put more than a few hours into. I started six, but lost my save file, which was... disheartening. The remake of 3 on the DS had my attention for a while, but it was a bit too dry for my taste. Nine was the perfect amount of hand-hold-y for my adolescent ADD brain. I'd a similar experience. I've randomly played several FF games after I played and finished FFIX, but I didn't finish any other title. FFVI I played once up to the last dungeon before running out of steam and I got about halfway through FFXII and FFVIII. Every other title got some hours to test the waters, then I gave up on them, too. With the exception of FFXIV, I didn't even try the ones after XII, they just aren't my taste. Now if they'd made a single player game in the style of FFXIV, I'd probably tried it, but so Final Fantasy for me is basically a series consisting of one game called Final Fantasy IX and that's it.
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Glazius posted:Zidane is probably getting protective of Vivi because the kid's only eight and eight-year-olds shouldn't get kidnapped. ...or doubt their nature as a conscious independent being. That, and a little bit of trying to impress Garnet with his heroism.
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Endorph posted:that's called a character arc One I didn't find to be very good was the point, but of course we can't get into that for a few months or however long this ride may take. mkwong98 posted:A grown man would probably turn evil and become the final boss. The screams of a monkey man can definitely turn a man evil, that's what happened to Broly.
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Libluini posted:I'd a similar experience. I've randomly played several FF games after I played and finished FFIX, but I didn't finish any other title. FFVI I played once up to the last dungeon before running out of steam and I got about halfway through FFXII and FFVIII. Every other title got some hours to test the waters, then I gave up on them, too. With the exception of FFXIV, I didn't even try the ones after XII, they just aren't my taste. hmmmm.... Played the original as a kid, only beat it once as a kid. Have since beaten it a few more times as an adult. Played 2 & 3 on emulators - didn't beat either of them (though I almost beat the 3rd one on the DS) Have played and beaten all versions of 4 multiple times, but I won't touch the sequel with a 10-foot pole. Beaten 5 once Beaten 6 more times than I can count, and will occasionally go back to it. Beaten 7 once, started playing it again and realized the story was retarded. Beaten 8 once, and gave the CD to my worst enemy. Beaten 9 multiple times, another one I occasionally go back to, and the only one I still own from the PS generation. Beaten 10 once - wish I hadn't. Skipped 11 - MMO doesn't qualify in my opinion. Beaten 12 twice - lost steam during the third run. Haven't played any past that. So that would mean that Final Fantasy (for me) is a series consisting of 4,6, and 9 with 1 and 12 coming in as an honorable mention. mauman fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Jul 23, 2015 |
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4, 5, 6, and 9 are the only Final Fantasies I've beaten. Out of all of them, 9 is the only one I've only beaten once. Yet, I love it as much as the rest. It's just really hard to play PS games with the way I live.
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Mega64 posted:gently caress THAT poo poo LET'S FOLLOW STEINER SOME MORE Zeikier posted:I didn't realize Morrid was the best NPC.
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mauman posted:So that would mean that Final Fantasy (for me) is a series consisting of 4,6, and 9 with 1 and 12 coming in as an honorable mention. Something I'm starting to take away from this and the 7 thread: A lot of Final Fantasy "fans" seem to be really fans of just a couple of them, the series as a whole is something only about 50-55% of the fans have played and enjoyed most of. I'm seeing more evidence for this theory as time goes on.
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SorataYuy posted:Something I'm starting to take away from this and the 7 thread: Well, Final Fantasy games are reinventing themselves every time, so chance is every main game will hit another cluster of people, so to speak.
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SorataYuy posted:Something I'm starting to take away from this and the 7 thread: You mean you think that people have different preferences? That's a pretty bold theory there.
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DemonTrigger posted:FF9 is a return to the more cartoony and upbeat style of Final Fantasy, you know, with such things as existential crises in the first act. The entire plot of FF III was caused by an ancient, omnipotent wizard giving his three disciples the following gifts:
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Fister Roboto posted:You mean you think that people have different preferences? That's a pretty bold theory there. If by "preferences" you mean "finding some of the oddest reasons to be big whiny babbies", then yes. SorataYuy fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Jul 23, 2015 |
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Libluini posted:Well, Final Fantasy games are reinventing themselves every time, so chance is every main game will hit another cluster of people, so to speak. This pretty much. SorataYuy posted:If by "preferences" you mean "finding some of the oddest reasons to be big whiny babbies", then yes. Don't see any whining here. Just people having opinions. Having opinions != Whining. Just saying. Now if you're talking about the ff7 thread, I wouldn't know anything about that thread. mauman fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Jul 24, 2015 |
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mauman posted:
I just mean the Final Fantasy fandom in general has turned out, at least in my experience, to be one of the biggest group of overgrown, selective-memoried, apparently-drug-addled whiny babbies that are never loving happy with anything done with this series, that I have ever had the misfortune to run across. Here, it has been a little different for the most part - I've actually enjoyed the discussions most of the time, it's been interesting. Enjoying the heck out of the thread, too, especially since I've been unable to get my system running or emulator configured properly (I miss being able to play my PSX games. :'( )
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SorataYuy posted:Something I'm starting to take away from this and the 7 thread: I think you are vastly overestimating the number of people that have played the whole series, if that's what you meant. I'm guessing the percentage of FF fans who have played all 12 non-MMO mainline installments is probably like 3%.
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Schwartzcough posted:I think you are vastly overestimating the number of people that have played the whole series, if that's what you meant. I'm guessing the percentage of FF fans who have played all 12 non-MMO mainline installments is probably like 3%. That's probably a bit low. I'm guessing plenty of fans have at least played all 12 non-MMOs. Now, actually beating all of them? 3% is probably accurate there. I myself have yet to finish 3 or 12. They be my not-so-private shames.
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SorataYuy posted:I just mean the Final Fantasy fandom in general has turned out, at least in my experience, to be one of the biggest group of overgrown, selective-memoried, apparently-drug-addled whiny babbies that are never loving happy with anything done with this series, that I have ever had the misfortune to run across. Here, it has been a little different for the most part - I've actually enjoyed the discussions most of the time, it's been interesting. Enjoying the heck out of the thread, too, especially since I've been unable to get my system running or emulator configured properly (I miss being able to play my PSX games. :'( ) I see. Since you quoted me I thought maybe you were referring to me, which had me slightly confused. Never mind then.
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It's me, I've played all of them. Ask me which one is best. I'm sure the discussion that ensues will be stimulating. Edit: It is, of course, Final Fantasy XIII that finally perfected the formula after the gross missteps of FF XII. Wicked Them Beats fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Jul 24, 2015 |
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Litany Unheard posted:It's me, I've played all of them. I actually thought FFXIII was alright. Not GREAT, mind you, but it had some neat ideas, even if they were bogged down by a few really bad calls. Game Over if the party leader dies? That is NEVER a good idea! Especially if the other two can revive the leader!
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mauman posted:I see. Since you quoted me I thought maybe you were referring to me, which had me slightly confused. Ah yeah, sorry about that, I didn't mean to be unclear there. No, you're just fine, I was just meaning in general, FF fans have sometimes made me hide my interest in the series, because otherwise I get to "hear all about the (self-insert) story [they] wrote about Kain's sister in 4, that changed the way the story went and everyone loved her and she made Kain stop being crazy and brainwashed much earlier in the story". *eye-twitch*
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SorataYuy posted:Ah yeah, sorry about that, I didn't mean to be unclear there. No, you're just fine, I was just meaning in general, FF fans have sometimes made me hide my interest in the series, because otherwise I get to "hear all about the (self-insert) story [they] wrote about Kain's sister in 4, that changed the way the story went and everyone loved her and she made Kain stop being crazy and brainwashed much earlier in the story". *eye-twitch* To be fair, this isn't exactly unique to FF. This is like 98% of all fanfiction. There's a reason I never read the stuff. It's not even good for a cheap laugh like most badly-written stories are.
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How are people judging Final Fantasy fans? I've played every game in the main series except 11 at least once, beaten quite a few, but I still consider myself a fan. I dunno it feels like saying someone is only a "fan" of Batman if they haven't read every single comic including Detective Comics, And Robin, and all the other Bat titles. That's absurd. If you have played any Final Fantasy and enjoyed it, you are a fan.W.T. Fits posted:The entire plot of FF III was caused by an ancient, omnipotent wizard giving his three disciples the following gifts: I may not like FFIII, but that part of it is golden. Talk about sympathizing with a villain. How could you not get pissed off in that situation? Clearly you were the least favorite and you got completely hosed. That sort of "In the same situation, I might've made the same choice" is actually SUPER relevant to this game and I love it. SorataYuy posted:I just mean the Final Fantasy fandom in general has turned out, at least in my experience, to be one of the biggest group of overgrown, selective-memoried, apparently-drug-addled whiny babbies that are never loving happy with anything done with this series, that I have ever had the misfortune to run across. Here, it has been a little different for the most part - I've actually enjoyed the discussions most of the time, it's been interesting. Enjoying the heck out of the thread, too, especially since I've been unable to get my system running or emulator configured properly (I miss being able to play my PSX games. :'( ) If you wanted to, you could describe just about every fan base this way. Your contributions to this page have been amazing.
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Bufuman posted:To be fair, this isn't exactly unique to FF. This is like 98% of all fanfiction. There's a reason I never read the stuff. It's not even good for a cheap laugh like most badly-written stories are. She made it worse - she was part of my social circle in college, and somehow assumed I A) Always wanted to hear about her characters, and B) that she had any real skill at telling stories about her role-playing characters that in any way at all made them interesting to hear. Especially with how often they were pretty blatant rip-offs of whatever JRPG she happened to have been into that month. One can only really take so many "thrilling" tales of the latest BadAzz thing done by a player who only seems to know how to Roll-play before one starts to make bad mental associations. To this day I run screaming from the room when people try to discuss Outlaw Star with me (the group ruined that one for me by feeling the need to verbally act out something not too dissimilar from that which you'd get in a F.A.T.A.L. game.) 
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