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hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

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Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Everything about the P4 at release is hilarious to me. Insanely massive Intel stumble and AMD only manages to shine for a few short years.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






i remember getting a Zalman cooler for my AMD it was v ownage


does anyone remember those turbine coolers with the 2 counter rotating fans inside? those things were hella cool but SCREAMED.

so fukken loud

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.

Kafouille posted:

Man in a way AMD has fallen so far, yet it's still pretty familliar

Back then when AMD had just released the 1Ghz socket A K7 i had to have it, since Gigahertz brah. So i get that thing, and it keeps crashing under load, i load up monitoring software and realize that the loving thing is pushing 70C at idle. Cue reseating the rad, getting a bigger rad, overpriced thermal paste, nothing made much of a difference. I even ended up building a hacked up watercooled thing out of an aquarium pump, a car heater core and a heat exchanger machined out of a solid slug of copper since i had access to a lathe. It worked alright then but was still hot as hell.

Until one day while loving with it again i realise the idiots at AMD had hosed up the protective coating on the die, and it wasn't flat there was a large bump in the middle, so it was actually contacting the heatsink on a quarter of the surface, if that. I ended up sanding it flat with some 1000 grit taped down on a table, and the temps immediately dropped to reasonable levels. Cue me thrasing the watercooling setup cause gently caress that poo poo and actually having a stable PC after 6 months. (Well as stable as a machine under Win 98 could be anyway)

Welp that's my AMD idiot story hope you liked it.

Wait, how do you reseat a radiator?

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.

spankmeister posted:

i remember getting a Zalman cooler for my AMD it was v ownage


does anyone remember those turbine coolers with the 2 counter rotating fans inside? those things were hella cool but SCREAMED.

so fukken loud

These



Were the bomb diggy

The agilent ones were milled out of solid aluminum slugs.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Don Lapre posted:

These



Were the bomb diggy

The agilent ones were milled out of solid aluminum slugs.
yeah but taller and with 2 fans in them

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.

spankmeister posted:

yeah but taller and with 2 fans in them

The PA-RISC one didn't fit a socket a mount

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

no meds = f4

Don Lapre posted:

The PA-RISC one didn't fit a socket a mount



dam.. powerful

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






i had one of these



v much ownage

pram
Jun 10, 2001

spankmeister posted:

i had one of these



v much ownage

had this :c00l:

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN

spankmeister posted:

i had one of these



v much ownage

i actually still had that in an old c2d machine up until about a month ago

my 4770k was running really slowly at load so i eventually checked the temps and it was over 100c (this was with the stock intel cooler). i tried to put the zalman cooler on it but intel changed the size of the socket by a few mm i guess so it didnt fit :(

eventually i just got some gigantic noctua thing and its at like 20c now. im actually amazed that it didnt poo poo itself after running at >100c for like over a month though. lucky i got pissed off enough to investigate why it was slowing down i guess :psypop:

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






ya the thermal throttling is p good

and if im not mistaken you can still get mounting kits for that cooler for modern sockets

triple sulk
Sep 17, 2014



i think my i5 was overheating earlier. maybe i need to get an evo 212. or maybe the psu is bad idk.

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.
Stock intel heatsink is fine unless the thing is clogged to gently caress

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






lil noisy but otherwise it's fine

pram
Jun 10, 2001
yeah i use the stock heatsink in my imac and its silent as heck. no issues

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN

spankmeister posted:

ya the thermal throttling is p good

and if im not mistaken you can still get mounting kits for that cooler for modern sockets

well it was still over 100c so its not perfect lol

anyway i think i looked for a bracket for the zalman but couldn't find one. either way im pretty sure its sitting in my closet since i recycled the rest of the c2d desktop

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN

Don Lapre posted:

Stock intel heatsink is fine unless the thing is clogged to gently caress

mine was fine for like a year until for whatever reason it started loving up. wasnt clogged or anything

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Beeftweeter posted:

mine was fine for like a year until for whatever reason it started loving up. wasnt clogged or anything

the bearings are trash

triple sulk
Sep 17, 2014



yeah it's just a 4590 i5 and an msi gtx 970 4g. i use the machine for vs for work and a couple games. it started a few days ago where the machine would spontaneously hard reset while playing rocket league, which i did a search on and someone seemed to have the same problem, so i assumed it was some bug.

tonight though i was playing a dota match and like 35 minutes in it shuts down instantly, the power led was going on and off, the 970's light was still on, but even if i cut the power and tried to restart it, it didn't do poo poo. i left it alone a few minutes and it started working again, but then opening a game back up crashed it almost instantly.

i had my chassis fan settings on silent mode although I think they're supposed to be pretty good at lower speeds, plus i wasn't having problems before a few days ago. i set the speed in the bios to performance and played dota fine. it wasn't really hot in the house so i have no clue what's going on.

after the fact the i5 was idling around 25-30c, and the 970 around 35-40c.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






could be indicative of bad caps

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Don Lapre posted:

Stock intel heatsink is fine unless the thing is clogged to gently caress

the stupid little clips are obnoxious

Kafouille
Nov 5, 2004

Think Fast !

triple sulk posted:

i left it alone a few minutes and it started working again, but then opening a game back up crashed it almost instantly.

Motherboards usually raise hell on the speaker in case of thermal shutdown, this sounds more like a power supply issue. Plus the CPU would thermal throttle to hell way before then so you really wouldnt be able to play poo poo.

jammyozzy
Dec 7, 2006
<img src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-jammyozzy.gif"><br>Is that a challenge?
Our first "proper" family PC had a 1400 Tbird in it, the thing was basically a space heater that could occasionally do sums. Ran for years though until one day the CPU fan died and I guess the lovely no-name motherboard didn't have any thermal protection at all.

SYSV Fanfic
Sep 9, 2003

by Pragmatica
Yah, blow some canned air through the fins. It only takes a few blows and then you can huff the res.t

triple sulk
Sep 17, 2014



Kafouille posted:

Motherboards usually raise hell on the speaker in case of thermal shutdown, this sounds more like a power supply issue. Plus the CPU would thermal throttle to hell way before then so you really wouldnt be able to play poo poo.

i have one of the corsair 500w ones so i guess i'm doing to have to get something else

Kafouille
Nov 5, 2004

Think Fast !
It's most probably the PSU but it can also be the power regulation on the motherboard or the graphics card, i would take a quick look at the caps for anything bulging or leaking before buying parts.

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.

hobbesmaster posted:

the stupid little clips are obnoxious

If you know how to install an intel heatsink the clips really arn't a problem at all. Most people just dont understand how they work.

Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

All I needed was that fatty blunt...



King of Breakfast

Don Lapre posted:

If you know how to install an intel heatsink the clips really arn't a problem at all. Most people just dont understand how they work.

"Have you tried doing it right?"

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Don Lapre posted:

If you know how to install an intel heatsink the clips really arn't a problem at all. Most people just dont understand how they work.

indeed, I learned how they worked by breaking one

oh no blimp issue
Feb 23, 2011

you just like, push down? how is that hard?

SO DEMANDING
Dec 27, 2003

mounting a heatsink on socket A was the woooorrrssssssst

apply eleventy-billion pounds of force on that lovely clip with a flathead screwdriver, and dontslipdontslipdontslipdontslipdontslipdontslip CRACK oh jesus gently caress did the goddamn motherboard break who the gently caress designed this wait no no it's clipped on now everything's OK

i recall socket 939's mechanism being pretty good

Kafouille
Nov 5, 2004

Think Fast !
Better than the old AMD socket clips where you lived in deadly fear of either spearing the motherboard with the screwdriver if you slipped out of the tiny notch, or cracking the die because the radiator was a tiny bit tilted when you were wrestling with the spring.

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.

hobbesmaster posted:

indeed, I learned how they worked by breaking one

You just line the pegs up with the holes and push down. Most people gently caress it up cause t hey start twisting the tabs all around and poo poo.

There are only 2 positions for the pegs, the default way they come in the box and a 90 degree turn to release them to remove the thing. You should never be turning them more than 90 degrees .

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.

SO DEMANDING posted:

mounting a heatsink on socket A was the woooorrrssssssst

apply eleventy-billion pounds of force on that lovely clip with a flathead screwdriver, and dontslipdontslipdontslipdontslipdontslipdontslip CRACK oh jesus gently caress did the goddamn motherboard break who the gently caress designed this wait no no it's clipped on now everything's OK

i recall socket 939's mechanism being pretty good

The 754 retention is the same as 939/amx and yea it works fine.

Also companies started putting white stickers under the cpu socket to see if you stabbed the board or not

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

SYSV Fanfic posted:

Yah, blow some canned air through the fins. It only takes a few blows and then you can huff the res.t

no you can't, they started adding bitterent to canned air. that poo poo is heinous, it just leaves this nasty taste in your mouth.


i remember when i was in high school we had a LAN party and someone brought a six pack of canned air for the express purpose of shooting the refridgerent at each other


after we depleted a couple cans we started getting headaches and had to open the windows to ventilate the house, lol

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl
now you cna't do that b/c of the bitternt

hwo sare kids supposed to hve udumb fun with eahsd other now???



fuckin g BIG GOV"t man tleling ius what do and not to do THANKS PRESINDTN OBUMMER :bahgawd:

Stymie
Jan 9, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
i remember someone discussing installing a heatsink and if you did it properly you'd hear "positive engagement clicking"

which was a euphemism for "god awful crunching sound that almost always made people think they broke the thing"

oh no blimp issue
Feb 23, 2011

Don Lapre posted:

You just line the pegs up with the holes and push down. Most people gently caress it up cause t hey start twisting the tabs all around and poo poo.

There are only 2 positions for the pegs, the default way they come in the box and a 90 degree turn to release them to remove the thing. You should never be turning them more than 90 degrees .


see, literally just push down

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stinch
Nov 21, 2013

jammyozzy posted:

Our first "proper" family PC had a 1400 Tbird in it, the thing was basically a space heater that could occasionally do sums. Ran for years though until one day the CPU fan died and I guess the lovely no-name motherboard didn't have any thermal protection at all.

did these cpus even have anything internally capable of measuring temperature? i remember having a motherboard that had a thermistor in the middle of the cpu socket. given how hot these things got in such a short space of time i doubt it could react quick enough to save the cpu from cooking.

if you ran one without a heaksink it would actually get hot enough to melt the solder holding the passives on the top of the chip.

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