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Verr posted:Aren't tacbows sort of a one-trick pony? Pretty much only good for killing cheerleaders? Anti-materiel, so good for consoles/crates.
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Flipswitch posted:Holy poo poo Army5 is a buggy wreck. It isn't showing my total points costs and sometimes attributes are coming out as words, not numbers. It's a bit surreal. Chrome does that "for" me if autotranslate is on.
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Verr posted:Aren't tacbows sort of a one-trick pony? Pretty much only good for killing cheerleaders? The tac bow is a bit rubbish, but that Ninja beats most in Cc and is cheap enough and hard enough to hit that they can usually get into Combat with something worth a lot more for your opponent.
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Well my since the release of AoS, my small Warham group have basically shelved our 8th ed stuff and been looking around for something else to play. After looking at the Infinity website and models a bit on Sat, we all now either have models in hand or on order  The scale is so refreshing, actually 28mm! No Skulls! We'll be playing our first games this Friday, badly and so very wrongly, and I'm pumped! Are there any other New Zealaind Infinity Goons in this thread? Where do you get your models from?
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My brother plays in Auckland, and I've played a bit there as well. Had a decently healthy scene going on, but no real local hobby store that had a good stock. Best bet is probably the Australian online stores.
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dmnz posted:No Skulls! Truly, a tragedy.
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DJ Dizzy posted:Truly, a tragedy. I am so over skulls at this point that I wish that I myself didn't have one.
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Flipswitch posted:Holy poo poo Army5 is a buggy wreck. It isn't showing my total points costs and sometimes attributes are coming out as words, not numbers. It's a bit surreal. How new are the players? Do they know that characters exist :P?
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Just wanted to throw up to any Infinity players who also play videogames - XCom Enemy Unknown/Enemy Within is basically infinity the video game, and it kicks rear end. Play it now.
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I've fired the Tacbow all of three times in about 20 games. The Ninja itself is a fire-and-forget missile that can almost always trade up for a better piece - If it hits close combat, which it is incredibly easy to do, it will usually butcher whatever it touches. It also does not suffer from cheap, impetuous discover/intuitive problems like the Guilang. At the last Tournament I went to, that gorgeous 26pt model secured over 350pts of kills in 4 300pt games. For posteriety, here are my last three tournament lists. I've yet to drop a game, and in all bar one, the Ninja has been an absolute star. The only reason they weren't a star in that one game was because everything else killed too hard.  Yu Jing────────────────────────────────────────────────── Group 1 8 1 1 CELESTIAL GUARD Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21) TOKUSETSU EISEI Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (14) YURIKO ODA Combi Rifle + E/Mitter, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, CCW. (23) DOMARU Chain Rifle, E/M Grenades / Pistol, E/M CCW. (25) ZÚYǑNG Lieutenant (AutomediKit) HMG / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (1 | 39) NINJA Tactical Bow / Pistol, DA CCW, Knife. (26) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (5) HÙSÒNG Yaókòng HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25) RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21)3.5 SWC | 199 Points Yu Jing────────────────────────────────────────────────── Group 1 9 0 4 CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13) YURIKO ODA Combi Rifle, Panzerfaust, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, CCW. (24) HARAMAKI Blitzen, Combi Rifle / Pistol, DA CCW. (30) ZÚYǑNG Lieutenant (AutomediKit) HMG / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (1 | 39) NINJA Tactical Bow / Pistol, DA CCW, Knife. (26) RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)Group 2 4 2 2 HÙSÒNG Yaókòng HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25) KARAKURI Heavy Shotgun, Chain Rifle, D.E.P. / Pistol, Knife. (35) ARAGOTO Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 26) GUĬ FĒNG Combi Rifle, MULTI Sniper / Pistol, Knife. (13 / 16XP) MOV:4-4 CC:14 BS:12 PH:10 WIP:14 ARM:1 BTS:6 W:1 Hacking Device, CH: Mimetism BOUNTY HUNTER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (14) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (5)4.5 SWC | 300 Points Yu Jing────────────────────────────────────────────────── Group 1 9 1 1 CELESTIAL GUARD Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21) TOKUSETSU EISEI Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (14) YURIKO ODA Combi Rifle + E/Mitter, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, CCW. (23) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (5) RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21) SHINOBU Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Monofilament CCW. (0.5 | 47) ZÚYǑNG (AutomediKit) HMG / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (2 | 39) SUN TZE Lieutenant (Advanced Command) Boarding Shotgun, 2 Nanopulsers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (60) KARAKURI Heavy Shotgun, Chain Rifle, D.E.P. / Pistol, Knife. (35) HÙSÒNG Yaókòng HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)Group 2 7 0 4 ARAGOTO Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 30) NINJA Tactical Bow / Pistol, DA CCW, Knife. (26) DOMARU Chain Rifle, E/M Grenades / Pistol, E/M CCW. (25) CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)6 SWC | 399 Points Clawtopsy fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Jul 23, 2015 |
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Exmond posted:How new are the players? Do they know that characters exist :P? me and a buddy had a 200pt scrap between his Morats and my PanO and Joan just walked through his army basically with Croc Men dropping fools who got on the sides.
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Exmond posted:How new are the players? Do they know that characters exist :P? TBH one of the things I really like about Infinity is that characters are usually only a slight edge over the troop they're based on. So Joan is one of the more extreme characters going, with inspiring leadership and NWI as a HI, but even so there are more expensive HI out there.And things like her, saladin and sun tzu, while all good, aren't necessarily better than just spending the points on more models. I just think it hits the right balance between your own un-named models being centre stage, which encourages people to use their imaginations, and some cool special characters who add colour.
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Characters can be traps. Especially ALEPH characters. The points you pay usually don't equal the gain. Atalanta, Diomedes, Teucer, Pentheselia and Patroclus are good examples there. The points you pay do not equate to just taking more generics (Or not taking them at all, in the case of Penny). I think it would be easier to count the named characters that are a worthwhile investment, as opposed to the ones that aren't.
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Joan, Achilles, Ajax and Pheonix immediately come to mind as good characters. I think the CA Morat chap isn't too bad either but I have limited play experience vs him. It's a bit skewy as ALEPH has the monopoly on the characters as well as having almost all of the good ones. E: I also really rate Ko Dali and Uxia, I see the latter quite a bit but very rarely the former. I need to travel around the UK like I used to. Flipswitch fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Jul 24, 2015 |
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Characters are weird. I find in my first starting games that we weren't ready for them (We went from operation icestorm to 200 pts). Achilles wrecked my face and I didn't know how to handle that character. For early starter games I'd shy away from gotcha moments with characters, but it sounds like you guys are way past early starter games.
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Exmond posted:Characters are weird. I find in my first starting games that we weren't ready for them (We went from operation icestorm to 200 pts). Achilles wrecked my face and I didn't know how to handle that character. For our newer players I tend to rock up with any list with some stuff that's probably a bit too good but use it as a way to sort of slow-grow coach and teach through playing rather than it being a straight up game so it works out.
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So, when I use a MULTI rifle in burst mode, it says AP/SHOCK for the ammo type. Is it both? Or do I have to choose one?
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Flipswitch posted:Joan, Achilles, Ajax and Pheonix immediately come to mind as good characters. I think the CA Morat chap isn't too bad either but I have limited play experience vs him. It's a bit skewy as ALEPH has the monopoly on the characters as well as having almost all of the good ones. Kornak is awesome because Morats do not give a single gently caress about LoL, he can be a cheap but still strong filler in expensive link teams and Kornak+1 Suryat + Raktorak link has been confirmed as legal  Ko Dali is the go-to AD shitwrecker. Loss of Dogged kinda hurts, but 2 asspistols with MSV2 is nasty stuff.
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Yeah the AD Asspistols are one of the reasons I really rate her, that weapon is nuts and I still remember the first time I realized Konstantinos had one.
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Anyone know of a good and fast website that delivers to Northern Europe? My local distributor has nothing I want, and ordering from CB directly takes an age to get here.
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Fanzay posted:Anyone know of a good and fast website that delivers to Northern Europe? My local distributor has nothing I want, and ordering from CB directly takes an age to get here. It's a plug because it's my FLGS but they are great.
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Flipswitch posted:https://www.firestormgames.co.uk. Awesome, I'll give them a shot. VVVVVV I don't know, their website is a loving mess, and I can't tell what I'm buying because they don't tell you which pack of Muyibs or whatever you are buying when they are using the same image and text for two different items. Condoleezza Nice! fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Jul 25, 2015 |
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I like elementgames, they ship very quickly
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WAR FOOT posted:Characters can be traps. Especially ALEPH characters. The points you pay usually don't equal the gain. Atalanta, Diomedes, Teucer, Pentheselia and Patroclus are good examples there. The points you pay do not equate to just taking more generics (Or not taking them at all, in the case of Penny). I think it would be easier to count the named characters that are a worthwhile investment, as opposed to the ones that aren't. As people noted there are some positive outliers as well - Ko Dali is famously good, I see Kornak used a lot. I would add Joan, William Wallace, Sun Tzu to that list. I fully admit to not being completely familiar with every sectorial but you have to admit Steel Phalanx pretty commonly includes Achilles and/or Phoenix. All the characters you mention do bring some little thing to the table right? Spotbots and super-mobile EXP CCWs etc. I play Corregidor and we get Senor Massacre (prob not as good as 3 jaguars, but has zero-v smoke and anti-TAG capability), Valerya Gromoz (cheaper marker and WIP14 hacker), Carlota Kowalsky (boost to some stats and an adhl over the standard tomcat engineer) and McMurrough (an awesome death machine who brings a unique capability). I also own Sforza who kicks rear end too. So while I admit there is some variation between the characters who add a unique skill and those that are overpriced due to skill bloat, I stand by my comment that they add a certain something without being necessary. EDIT: I use Dark Sphere, but I couldn't say what their shipping outside the UK is like.
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No love for Keisotsu Yuriko Oda? When I'm running JSA-sectorial, she's my pointwoman of the Keisotsu Link-team. +2BS, Engineer, Minelayer & Panzerfaust are all useful additions for the link/army and she's only 10 points more than a Regular Engineer.
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Genghis Cohen posted:As people noted there are some positive outliers as well - Ko Dali is famously good, I see Kornak used a lot. I would add Joan, William Wallace, Sun Tzu to that list. I fully admit to not being completely familiar with every sectorial but you have to admit Steel Phalanx pretty commonly includes Achilles and/or Phoenix. All the characters you mention do bring some little thing to the table right? Spotbots and super-mobile EXP CCWs etc. I think Thrasymedes, Alke, and Machaon show up more than Achilles. Alke because she's a fairly simple no nonsense Spitfire Thorakitai with slightly buffed stats, Thras because he's a pretty good and cheap way to make a Thorakitai link, and Machaon because he's a very good specialist who can fight his way to an objective as well. Achilles is still hugely good but he is expensive-even if his expense is because his abilities all synergize very well. High stats means he generally wins face to face rolls, ODD stacks things in his favor more, good ARM, BTS, and 3 Wounds let him survive the occasional failures and crits someone will have, his speed lets him take advantage of his high CC, and his high CC not only gives him an antimateriel option, it also keeps him from being vulnerable to the weaknesses TAGs and other expensive gunfighters have-being tied up in close combat, because he can win those CC fights pretty well. -even his Frenzy is actually arguably a blessing in disguise, as if he Frenzies that means he's successfully engaged the enemy and they haven't managed to kill him in their reactive turn, which means he's getting a free order to gently caress people up with. The bad characters tend to be the ones with skills that don't synergize with their role. Atalanta and her BS17 in the active turn, when you're probably using her as a reactive roadblock, Teucer and how he pays for decent close combat skill and NWI, Patroclus and his giant mess of wargear...
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adhuin posted:No love for Keisotsu Yuriko Oda? When I'm running JSA-sectorial, she's my pointwoman of the Keisotsu Link-team. (She is good I agree, but she isn't one that leaps to mind when I think of the top characters in Infinity.)
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Yeah Bipandra should be disqualified from being a character because she is aggressively poor. Konstantinos took all the good rules and she was left with the crap ones, like that film Twins.
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If I wanted to play CA without shasvastii or morats, am I hamstringing myself too badly? I really like all the new EI stuff, and charontids/etc are dope as gently caress. I want to collect a small and elite force of hardass gribbly aliens who poo poo hot lead for brunch
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Margot and Duroc are absolutely bonkers. Smoke plus chain rifles destroy link teams, and Margot picks off all the template threats before they even get a chance to react!
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PaintVagrant posted:If I wanted to play CA without shasvastii or morats, am I hamstringing myself too badly? I really like all the new EI stuff, and charontids/etc are dope as gently caress. Now that Unidron Batroids exist and give you (relatively) cheap infantry to fill out your orders list, I'd say "not really" because that was the original problem-you'd need to use unarmed utility REMs to fill out your orders because EI stuff is really expensive.
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PaintVagrant posted:If I wanted to play CA without shasvastii or morats, am I hamstringing myself too badly? I really like all the new EI stuff, and charontids/etc are dope as gently caress. All the new EI stuff is pretty dope, and running just EI aspects + Umbra + unidrons + Sygmaa + Dr. Worm MD PhD + REMs is pretty doable. I generally advise people against limiting themselves to a subset of a vanilla faction that doesn't yet have a sectorial (I have a friend who only has Russian Ariadna and it drives me goddamn nuts), but in the particular case of Combined, there's honestly a lot of very similar, overlapping units that do similar tasks in different ways. The things I think you really miss out on by ignoring morats/shasvastii are the Malignos infiltrating TO specialists, Daturazi for easy smoke cover and cheap ninjas to run at your opponent and distract them, and weirder options like Aswangs and Rodoks. If you're willing to put up with that, go for it, since I suspect things will just get more awesome as more books are released.
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The Fractaa also seem pretty nice on the EI side, because they're 2 W airborne deployment troops-makes it possible for them to eat an ARO on their drop and still retain combat effectiveness. That's pretty uncommon (I think only Tohaa and ALEPH have AD troops who can eat a wound and still function, and ALEPH gets that via a single character) and seems like it lets you do some really aggressive poo poo with them.
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I'm working on a Hassassin Bahram list, and I need help. Here's what I'm working from:  Hassassin Bahram────────────────────────────────────────────────── Group 1 10 0 0 MUYIB Lieutenant Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher (Normal and Smoke Ammo.) / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 22) MUYIB Rifle + Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 24) MUYIB (Minelayer) Rifle + Light Shotgun, D.E.P. Viral Mines / Pistol, Knife. (24) MUYIB (Minelayer) Rifle + Light Shotgun, D.E.P. E/Mauler / Pistol, Knife. (23) LASIQ Viral Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (26) LASIQ Viral Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (26) RAGIK Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (0.5 | 32) RAGIK Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (26) FIDAY Boarding Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (29) FARZAN (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Contender / Pistol, Knife. (31)Group 2 2 0 0 GHULAM HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 20) GHULAM Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (12)3.5 SWC | 295 Points Open with Army 5 Any suggestions on what to cut/change to make it a) viable and b) functional for ITS? Never really played Hassassin Bahram at 300 points, or 300 points ITS games, for that matter. Note: The Farzan and Fiday stay. This is non-negotiable. E: I love Muyibs Condoleezza Nice! fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Jul 25, 2015 |
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40k migrant checking in, narrowed my choice down a bit to PanOceania, Yujing, Combined or Tohaa.
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