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Annoying Reveler
Jul 16, 2002
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/07...m_medium=IGN%20(front%20page)&utm_content=11&utm_campaign=Blogroll

Kojima and Del Toro are still planning on making a game together. Hopefully, it'll still be *not* Silent Hills.

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The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe

Szmitten posted:

Nah. The adventure game exploration sections are atmospheric and you wouldn't explore as much if you were in actual danger the whole time. By isolating the risk into the nightmare sections make them more tense and the ice more forboding.

I think the issue is that the nightmare sections are too action-y, rather than the exploration sections being too safe. It's too much of a contrast. Every SH game (hell most games, period) has areas that are fairly obvious "safe" spots. In the earlier games though, even the dangerous areas were slower paced - you could still explore and examine stuff, but you had to be on your guard in case your radio started blaring. Plus they're less sectioned off - exploring inside the school in SH1 for example you're basically constantly moving between the hallways with monsters in them and the relatively safe classrooms, rather than having one long section of safety, followed by a mid-length action sequence, then another long safe bit, etc.

Yodzilla
Apr 29, 2005

Now who looks even dumber?

Beef Witch
The adventure game parts of Shattered Memories were cool as gently caress. The action game running maze sections were frustrating and dumb as hell. I'd still highly recommend it though, it's one of the few games to make really good use of the Wiimote.

unpacked robinhood
Feb 18, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Annoying Reveler posted:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/07...mpaign=Blogroll

Kojima and Del Toro are still planning on making a game together. Hopefully, it'll still be *not* Silent Hills.

Please let it be not bullshit. I finally played PT last weekend on a big screen with a 5.1 and enjoyed it very much.

JordanKai
Aug 19, 2011

Get high and think of me.


I think that slowly realizing exactly when you are and aren't in danger in Shattered Memories plays into the overarching theme of coming to terms pretty well.

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Buglord

Neo Rasa posted:

Shattered Memories is incredible, I was shocked at the middling to negative reception it received from some folks when it first came out. I really appreciated how it goes its own way with the ice motif and the slowly changing looks of one enemy type instead of going for cheap shocks like Homecoming did.
I said it before but SM did the new style of adventure games a few years before Telltale did. I loved SM.

Szmitten
Apr 26, 2008

Accordion Man posted:

I said it before but SM did the new style of adventure games a few years before Telltale did. I loved SM.

There was a very small window 2009-2010 where I experienced Tales of Monkey Island, Phoenix Wright, and Shattered Memories all one after the other and have influenced me hugely. (Subsequently expanded in 2012-2013 by The Walking Dead, Wolf Among Us, visual novels and walking simulators. None of this is horror I'm sorry Horror Thread)

Father Wendigo
Sep 28, 2005
This is, sadly, more important to me than bettering myself.

I knew the Freddie's fans were typically at least a little on the touched side, but drat. They are throwing-folding-chairs angry about all their 'theorycrafting' bullshit being wrong. I was not expecting that many people posting multi-page dissertations free of grammar, syntax, and punctuation about why Scott's wrong because they're right.

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

This is what happens when you mix a very minimalist (some might say sparse) setting with the internet, people fill in the blanks and get attached to what they fill in as it becomes the talking point of the work for them. Like what is there to talk about in FNAF apart from weird theories based upon each game's small hints and clues?

frank.club
Jan 15, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
What's a good horror game on ps4 that's not Isolation or Outlast? I've played both of those already.

Speedball
Apr 15, 2008

frank.club posted:

What's a good horror game on ps4 that's not Isolation or Outlast? I've played both of those already.

Daylight is... decent?

Dying Light is pretty spooky when you play it during the nighttime segments, as the zombies go from cannon fodder to horrible creatures that can hunt and destroy you. It may not be all that horriffic overall but I thought it was a good game.

The Evil Within is out on PS4 and it gets a bit action-y as you go but that doesn't mean it doesn't have lots of disturbing imagery. The downloadable content missions even totally strip you of weapons and become eerie stealth sections.

Ineffiable
Feb 16, 2008

Some say that his politics are terrifying, and that he once punched a horse to the ground...


Slender the arrival is on PSN. It's not that long.

Then evil within dlc is... Decent? Play it on hard so you become very afraid of dying.

Ofaloaf
Feb 15, 2013

Father Wendigo posted:

I knew the Freddie's fans were typically at least a little on the touched side, but drat. They are throwing-folding-chairs angry about all their 'theorycrafting' bullshit being wrong. I was not expecting that many people posting multi-page dissertations free of grammar, syntax, and punctuation about why Scott's wrong because they're right.
I don't even know what fanon is being nullified. Is it the nature of the Bite of '87?. I'm still not sure what actually is happening in that game, much less whatever headcanon's being destroyed.

Speedball
Apr 15, 2008

Oh, YEAH! Forgot: Resident Evil HD is also now on PS4, and it's actually really moody and good. You barely have enough bullets to kill every enemy, and zombies will revive into even-more-powerful Crimson Heads if you kill them and don't burn their bodies or get a lucky head explosion, so you are never totally safe.

frank.club
Jan 15, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Speedball posted:

Daylight is... decent?

Dying Light is pretty spooky when you play it during the nighttime segments, as the zombies go from cannon fodder to horrible creatures that can hunt and destroy you. It may not be all that horriffic overall but I thought it was a good game.

The Evil Within is out on PS4 and it gets a bit action-y as you go but that doesn't mean it doesn't have lots of disturbing imagery. The downloadable content missions even totally strip you of weapons and become eerie stealth sections.

I should've mentioned I played and really enjoyed Dying Light. Think I can get Evil Within for cheap now?

E: oh poo poo is that revelations 2 on ps4 I heard it is really good

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


Ofaloaf posted:

I don't even know what fanon is being nullified. Is it the nature of the Bite of '87?. I'm still not sure what actually is happening in that game, much less whatever headcanon's being destroyed.

Looks like they're arguing about whether that's the bite of 87 or not.

frank.club
Jan 15, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I also saw Siren:Blood Curse is on psnow

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Buglord
I would say PT but, ha ha ha.

gently caress Konami.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum

Ofaloaf posted:

I don't even know what fanon is being nullified. Is it the nature of the Bite of '87?. I'm still not sure what actually is happening in that game, much less whatever headcanon's being destroyed.

They're throwing poo poo fits over how this takes place during 1983 instead of 1987 because the coding on the teaser sight changed to 83 from 87. No really, that's their stupid argument.

Father Wendigo
Sep 28, 2005
This is, sadly, more important to me than bettering myself.

Crabtree posted:

They're throwing poo poo fits over how this takes place during 1983 instead of 1987 because the coding on the teaser sight changed to 83 from 87. No really, that's their stupid argument.
That, how it was Gold Fred and not Foxy, where the game/dreams take place at, when it takes place - There's at least half a doze things I've seen pages worth of words spilled over. I guess they're pretty desperate to pick a fight right now.

As for the 83/87 thing, I'm guessing the kid was born in 83, and the bite is his fourth birthday party.

SirDrone
Jul 23, 2013

I am so sick of these star wars
It wouldn't surprise me if the Dev created more plotholes then Akira Toriyama and just forgot half the poo poo he wrote.

Relin
Oct 6, 2002

You have been a most worthy adversary, but in every game, there are winners and there are losers. And as you know, in this game, losers get robotizicized!
Just played about 45 minutes of Penumbra Necrologue, a mod for Amnesia that somehow got singleplayer mod the year on moddb. Found a cassette but no player, a rope with a hook, and no exit to the area I was in with no telling where or what I was supposed to do next. Recreates the final area of Penumbra 2 (I think) pretty faithfully so I give it 2/10.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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The tone of these FNAF games sure has changed over time. The original was done with its tongue firmly in its cheek and had tons of black humor in it (lol this ridiculously dangerous job earns you a grand total of $120 and the phone guy seems more annoyed than frightened when he finally meets his end.) The latest one has a child's head being bitten off onscreen after he's fed to an animatronic by a bunch of bullies.

Classic Comrade
Dec 24, 2012

(hair tousled from head shaking during speeches)

poptart_fairy posted:

He turns into an insufferable prick when anyone criticizes him though, which puts me off. Markiplier, etc, have an annoying gimmick but they're pretty relaxed and open with what they do. HC feels a bit too try hard and arrogant for my tastes.

From that and from comments he's made during his videos, he seems to take criticism really personally and I know from experience that that can be a social anxiety thing so... I've given him the benefit of the doubt because of that. Plus, as others have said, youtube comments can be pretty ridiculous. :v:

Sad Mammal
Feb 5, 2008

You see me laughin

poptart_fairy posted:

He turns into an insufferable prick when anyone criticizes him though, which puts me off. Markiplier, etc, have an annoying gimmick but they're pretty relaxed and open with what they do. HC feels a bit too try hard and arrogant for my tastes.

I've never seen Markiplier directly respond to anything's a fan said outside of mentioning "I read in the comments...". What response(s) in particular make you think John's a prick? Are these actual criticisms, or at these the typical YouTube comments which aren't so much "critique" as "douchily nitpicking bullshit that doesn't matter in the least"?

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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If you respond to youtube comments you've already lost.

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

SirDrone posted:

It wouldn't surprise me if the Dev created more plotholes then Akira Toriyama and just forgot half the poo poo he wrote.

He's done the games over the course of a year, so that seems a bit unlikely.

Really they're pissed that the dude from the second game wasn't the Bite of 87 victim.

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


ayn rand hand job posted:

He's done the games over the course of a year, so that seems a bit unlikely.

Really they're pissed that the dude from the second game wasn't the Bite of 87 victim.

And that it wasn't Foxy that did the bite.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!

Fojar38 posted:

The tone of these FNAF games sure has changed over time. The original was done with its tongue firmly in its cheek and had tons of black humor in it (lol this ridiculously dangerous job earns you a grand total of $120 and the phone guy seems more annoyed than frightened when he finally meets his end.) The latest one has a child's head being bitten off onscreen after he's fed to an animatronic by a bunch of bullies.

I think he kept making them progressively darker and "scarier" because of the public's response to the games. The first one was kind of silly and sarcastic, and the jump scares seemed to be put in because what else are you gonna do with giant killer robots? Then YouTube happened and people were getting all involved in the backstory or whatever, and saying that the game was Super Spoopy and overreacting and it blew up into almost Slenderman levels of obsession. So the creator responded in kind by making the robots a little too deadly looking in the sequel, adding rows of extra-sharp metal teeth and inventing Mangle who was just ridiculous. The humor was still there, but most people overlooked it and thought it was a super serious horror game still.

Then we get a straight-up slasher movie in the third game, followed by an Among the Sleep knock-off for the fourth. I think the guy's just running out of ideas and doesn't know where to go, but wants to keep printing money or making God happy by answering his true calling or whatever.

demota
Aug 12, 2003

I could read between the lines. They wanted to see the alien.
I think in spite of the criticism of being a sequel factory, I respect Scott Cawthon for changing up the mechanics in every single game. They're four very different games instead of a set of games that just refines the mechanics in the previous installment.

I'm hoping that he tries a different kind of game though. The guy clearly loves his work, and being trapped in a single genre feels like it would be artist hell.

al-azad
May 28, 2009



demota posted:

I think in spite of the criticism of being a sequel factory, I respect Scott Cawthon for changing up the mechanics in every single game. They're four very different games instead of a set of games that just refines the mechanics in the previous installment.

I'm hoping that he tries a different kind of game though. The guy clearly loves his work, and being trapped in a single genre feels like it would be artist hell.

I say it literally every new Freddy game, this guy needs to make a game in the style of 90s FMV adventures. First person, lo-fi graphics, 100% creepy no matter how you spin it.

Fojar38 posted:

The tone of these FNAF games sure has changed over time. The original was done with its tongue firmly in its cheek and had tons of black humor in it (lol this ridiculously dangerous job earns you a grand total of $120 and the phone guy seems more annoyed than frightened when he finally meets his end.) The latest one has a child's head being bitten off onscreen after he's fed to an animatronic by a bunch of bullies.

It's the direct opposite of horror franchises which start off dark then get more slapstick because gently caress it, you already know what to expect from this numbered sequel so suck it down.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!

demota posted:

I think in spite of the criticism of being a sequel factory, I respect Scott Cawthon for changing up the mechanics in every single game. They're four very different games instead of a set of games that just refines the mechanics in the previous installment.

The mechanics are pretty sound too, and the animations are well-done. The guy has a talent for character and world design, I just don't personally have any interest in the FNaF series beyond the first one.

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

King Vidiot posted:

The mechanics are pretty sound too, and the animations are well-done. The guy has a talent for character and world design, I just don't personally have any interest in the FNaF series beyond the first one.

It is amazing how one of the top horror designers recently has been making games with basically post it notes and flashing lights.

Same with a lot of those RPGmaker horror games, they're really good. Hell, look at "Lisa", depending on your interpretation of horror.

Versus Evil Within which was pffffffff


Also, unrelated, I recommend Among The Sleep for next time the steam sale comes around. It's very short but surprisingly good

FirstAidKite
Nov 8, 2009
Ib was a really good rpgmaker horror game

Probably the best. Or "best"

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

FirstAidKite posted:

Ib was a really good rpgmaker horror game

Probably the best. Or "best"

Yeah Ib's worth playing.

Sad Mammal
Feb 5, 2008

You see me laughin
Depending on how you define "horror", I'd say Yume Nikki is the best, but Ib's pretty great too.

Bulkiest Toaster
Jan 22, 2013

by R. Guyovich

frank.club posted:

What's a good horror game on ps4 that's not Isolation or Outlast? I've played both of those already.

You've got just a bit of time to wait but SOMA is going to be out Sept. 22nd from the people who did Amnesia.

Chev
Jul 19, 2010
Switchblade Switcharoo

DreamShipWrecked posted:

I am sure TV tropes is going to explode again but the ending was pretty explicit in its resolution of one of the few remaining questions of the series: you are the victim of the bite of 87, which happened not because of malicious robots but because your shithead brother shoved you in Freddie's mouth

They and reddit are probably all over it already but that can't be: in the restaurant scenes you see someone wearing a bear suit, and the biter is not Freddie but Fredbear (ie golden Freddie). Fredbear and the spring suits were already decommissioned in 87, so that's actually a previous incident. That doesn't really mesh with how the hidden text on the teaser pics was hinting at 1987 though.

frank.club
Jan 15, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Bulkiest Toaster posted:

You've got just a bit of time to wait but SOMA is going to be out Sept. 22nd from the people who did Amnesia.

I didn't know it was coming out so soon, nice.

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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

I wish people wouldn't get *quite* so upset over their theories and just enjoy the drat game. Maybe that's why so many kids (literally kids, like 5-12) love FNaF because it hits that line of spooky and silly when you don't get caught up in all the theorycrafting.

I wonder if in 10-20 years FNaF and Slenderman will be as cultish and/or nostalgic as early 80s horror film franchises are for some adults now. Any remotely iconic monsters seem to come from games these days. The last film-related one I can think of is Ghostface; you do have some iconic zombies from The Walking Dead but they don't carry the same weight to me.

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