Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:Int will probably end up being the dump stat for everyone but maybe energy weapons focused characters since there's no low-Int dialogue. It's got all the crafting and weapon mod perks, though.
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The perks have different ranks you can invest in, making a total of 240 or something.
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SunAndSpring posted:It's got all the crafting and weapon mod perks, though. True. It might end up being Endurance instead.
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Jul 25, 2015 21:18
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Choosing special is the most stressful part of any video game.
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Jul 25, 2015 21:20
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I'll be very upset if I can't immediately dome my wife and child after finding them in a tearful cutscene in the Enclave Institute base or whatever.
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Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:True. It might end up being Endurance instead. Probably. All of it seems to be really passive stuff that increases your armor or rad resistance, which really doesn't matter when you can just equip heavy armor or a rad suit.
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Fooz posted:Choosing special is the most stressful part of any video game. 10 to luck and 1 to intelligence and distribute the rest whatever way you see fit.
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Jul 25, 2015 21:34
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Luck might not be a dump stat anymore
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Bholder posted:Luck might not be a dump stat anymore It never was 
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Jul 25, 2015 21:42
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10 Luck in New Vegas means piles of money and constant headshotting of fools with Paciencia.
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Dunno if it was posted before but gameinformer wrote a lot about what they showed in QuakeConTodd Howard posted:If we're going to do the dog, we're going to do this right
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Funky Valentine posted:10 Luck in New Vegas means piles of money and constant headshotting of fools with Paciencia. 10 luck and energy weapons was loving broken. If you combine it with Finesse and boons hat, everything will melt.
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frajaq posted:Dunno if it was posted before but gameinformer wrote a lot about what they showed in QuakeCon They could just... not do the dog, for once?
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2house2fly posted:They could just... not do the dog, for once? Dog racist
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2house2fly posted:They could just... not do the dog, for once? what is wrong with you???
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2house2fly posted:They could just... not do the dog, for once? Romancing companions is in the game and there's nothing you can do to stop it.
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I'm really hoping they do a reverse Amulet of Mara thing with the wedding ring. As long as you have it on, you're "spoken for" and romance is disabled, but the second you take it off everyone starts trying to bone you. If you don't want to spend the whole game getting hit on by bisexual cardboard you can just never take it off. Although it might be funny if they had one homewrecker/Don Juan type who only hits on you if you have the ring on and loses interest if you take it off or tell them you're widowed.
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Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:In the real world nuclear missiles make the blast zone and surrounding area unlivable for about two weeks, depending on weather conditions. Well you say "in the real world" but is there anything to suggest that areas outside of blast zones in the Fallout series aren't just populated with regular people who've grown up in a completely lawless and destabilized world? I guess it's possible that everybody crowded into vaults regardless of the actual danger, then spread out into the world once it was "all clear". But tribals survived as we see in Honest Hearts, and they were just hiding out in caves (which might have not even been necessary).
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Strudel Man posted:Skyrim didn't have romances. Those marriages were clearly for tax purposes. "Excuse me, hi. My name is the Dragonborn. Want to marry me?" "I guess so."
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King Vidiot posted:Well you say "in the real world" but is there anything to suggest that areas outside of blast zones in the Fallout series aren't just populated with regular people who've grown up in a completely lawless and destabilized world? I guess it's possible that everybody crowded into vaults regardless of the actual danger, then spread out into the world once it was "all clear". But tribals survived as we see in Honest Hearts, and they were just hiding out in caves (which might have not even been necessary). Zion National Park is about as far away from a populated area as you can get though (except Vegas but they already explained that most of those were shot down). Even if all the bombs were Tsar Bombas it makes sense that they wouldn't feel the effects.
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Duckbag posted:I'm really hoping they do a reverse Amulet of Mara thing with the wedding ring. As long as you have it on, you're "spoken for" and romance is disabled, but the second you take it off everyone starts trying to bone you. If you don't want to spend the whole game getting hit on by bisexual cardboard you can just never take it off. You accidentally take your ring off with the smartglass app, dogmeat immediately starts humping your leg.
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Totally called it. The perks are going to be bad, there is no way they will let low level characters have access to anything as cool as the high level perks from New Vegas, it would unbalance the game.
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This new system sounds cool in theory , let's hope Bethesda can make it hold up
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So this new system is just going to make me want to cheat a perfect 10 SPECIAL just so I can get the perks I want.
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will this finally be the fallout game where SPECIAL matters? lol, SPECIAL will never matter
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Crabtree posted:So this new system is just going to make me want to cheat a perfect 10 SPECIAL just so I can get the perks I want. do it, it's your game 
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Rutibex posted:Totally called it. The perks are going to be bad, there is no way they will let low level characters have access to anything as cool as the high level perks from New Vegas, it would unbalance the game. It's theoretically balanced by the fact that Skills are replaced by stacking Perks. So rather than pretending anything other than 25/50/75/100 really matters in Skills, you just buy a Perk 4 times. If you pick up....say, Solar Powered for your first Perk you aren't going to be as good at combat. The bonus you get for it being awesome is negated by how much harder combat will be for you. Also you have less SPECIAL points to go around, so putting one thing to 10 costs you a lot more in all the rest than previous games. Perks in other games work on the assumption you have a bunch of skill points to go around by the time you can pick them up. Most of the rest of the high level Perks work in that same dynamic, the rest....really aren't that powerful. Hack computers twice if you fail the first time! If you hit a body part in VATS, it gets easier to hit again! There's pretty much only one that would be a major game fucker early on, and it's Explorer. Everything else comes down to the balance between getting better at your 'skill' or getting some new functionality entirely. In theory at least. Bethesda could still totally gently caress it up.
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Boogaleeboo posted:It's theoretically balanced by the fact that Skills are replaced by stacking Perks. So rather than pretending anything other than 25/50/75/100 really matters in Skills, you just buy a Perk 4 times. If you pick up....say, Solar Powered for your first Perk you aren't going to be as good at combat. The bonus you get for it being awesome is negated by how much harder combat will be for you. Also you have less SPECIAL points to go around, so putting one thing to 10 costs you a lot more in all the rest than previous games. Perks in other games work on the assumption you have a bunch of skill points to go around by the time you can pick them up. Most of the rest of the high level Perks work in that same dynamic, the rest....really aren't that powerful. Hack computers twice if you fail the first time! If you hit a body part in VATS, it gets easier to hit again! Yeah I can see how it would work, but it still sounds really unappealing. You are only getting a single perk per level, that means that you now have to choose between the almost mandatory "Guns Perk 1-5" and fun perks like "Animal Friend", "Cannibal", or "Confirmed Bachelor". With skill points you had the option of putting up essential skills, and maybe taking some of the more interesting perks rather than just the practical ones. With only one perk per level it is going to be very hard to not just take "Lockpicking Perk 3" or whatever, and that's boring.
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Man Whore posted:will this finally be the fallout game where SPECIAL matters? Nope, it just gates all perks instead of just levels. Minor annoyance and probably not that much of a game changer in practice. Although God help you if high SPECIAL makes even more Bioware characters jump on you like the last empty vault during the Apocalypse.
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Watch the level cap be 20 (before DLC of course). Perk choices will be the only real hard choices in the game.Rutibex posted:Yeah I can see how it would work, but it still sounds really unappealing. You are only getting a single perk per level, that means that you now have to choose between the almost mandatory "Guns Perk 1-5" and fun perks like "Animal Friend", "Cannibal", or "Confirmed Bachelor". With skill points you had the option of putting up essential skills, and maybe taking some of the more interesting perks rather than just the practical ones. With only one perk per level it is going to be very hard to not just take "Lockpicking Perk 3" or whatever, and that's boring. I agree with this. I don't find the system as appealing as the the old ones. I always viewed perks as more of a thing to enhance certain aspects and skills were the core of the character. Edit: All human companions being bisexual and romance-able is super skeezy and creepy. Way to outdo bioware there Bethesda. Broose fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Jul 26, 2015 |
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Why would the cap be 20? Also skills always sucked in the Fallout series, and it's better that they're gone
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Broose posted:Watch the level cap be 20 (before DLC of course). Perk choices will be the only real hard choices in the game. by outdo you mean do that same as.
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I hope the characters don't just start hitting on you out of the blue because that would just make things really weird sometimes.
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I AM THE TRUE FALLOUT FAN 
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sparatuvs posted:European Ghouls maybe? That reminds me, you know that character is called "John Hancock" in the concept art and he's wearing John Hancock's red velvet coat that hangs in the State House, right? He has absolutely nothing to do with the British, he's probably just some ghoul that swiped it from a museum because it's a loving pimp velvet coat.
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There's already a precedent for quest-rewarded perks, like Ant Might/Ant Sight and the swappable perks you get for completing Old World Blues. Maybe they'll have more of that, plus maybe certain ones you could straight up buy/train, in addition to perks you get for leveling up. A lot of perks just gave bonuses to skills to begin with, so I don't see the big deal cutting out the middle man.
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Literally Kermit posted:A lot of perks just gave bonuses to skills to begin with, so I don't see the big deal cutting out the middle man. They got rid of all those lame +skills perks in New Vegas and replaced them with good perks. No one liked those perks in Fallout 3. It looks like they are doubling down on it in Fallout 4, taking two steps backwards. Though if you can buy perks/training that might make it alright.
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One of the things that slightly annoys me in the series is that the first time you start, you can't know what SPECIAL you need for what perks until, at the very least, you get your first level and look at the list. It's not available to view until then. Assuming they keep the same way of presenting levels ups, I can see restarting when I get to look at the list and realize my Agi 5 luck 6 build can't qualify for both Better Criticals and Rapid Reload, or something, or that I really need Endurance for Chemist because withdrawal symptoms actually matter. Basically having a Perk Checklist I could reference without having to use the internet would be cool. marshmallow creep fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Jul 26, 2015 |
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Lotish posted:One of the things that slightly annoys me in the series is that the first time you start, you can't know what SPECIAL you need for what perks until, at the very least, you get your first level and look at the list. It's not available to view until then. Assuming they keep the same way of presenting levels ups, I can see restarting when I get to look at the list and realize my Agi 5 luck 6 build can't qualify for both Better Criticals and Rapid Reload, or something, or that I really need Endurance for Chemist because withdrawal symptoms actually matter.
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