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The perception is that if prison is too nice, and not enough punishment, well, then it's "dole bludging" to the extreme. Having the tax payer pay for a person who doesn't "want" to be part of society to have a free education. while "honest working" people struggle with poor paying jobs and ending up with huge student loans.
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Jul 26, 2015 04:30
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Vagabundo posted:If going to prison is seen as a preferable alternative to not being incarcerated, then that society has failed to begin with. That's what I said, but what if that is the case? Should we keep prison nice? Our society already is that, for people on the lower rungs. Our society is failing
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Jul 26, 2015 04:31
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The deprivation of liberty is a pretty big deal
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Jul 26, 2015 04:32
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Exclamation Marx posted:The deprivation of liberty is a pretty big deal Not big enough, apparently. And if there are benefits to taking a liberty hit for a few years.. I mean students have limited liberty in a number of ways.
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Jul 26, 2015 04:33
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Does punishment/retribution itself have no place in society?
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Jul 26, 2015 04:34
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Privatise the police.
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Jul 26, 2015 04:34
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:Privatise the police. And that's how we end up with police officers killed in the line of duty being brought back as cyborg police officers. Robotic Cops, basically.
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Jul 26, 2015 04:35
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echinopsis posted:Not big enough, apparently. And if there are benefits to taking a liberty hit for a few years.. I mean students have limited liberty in a number of ways. Assuming you mean primary-secondary school, that's different because they're below the age of majority. And at a whole other level from prison, even the Scandinavian ones. Punishment-as-deterrent is never going to be foolproof, which is why every year people get caught smuggling drugs into Bali.
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Jul 26, 2015 04:43
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Vagabundo posted:And that's how we end up with police officers killed in the line of duty being brought back as cyborg police officers. Robotic Cops, basically. They give you 30 seconds! If you comply, you have nothing to fear.
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Jul 26, 2015 04:46
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Where are these people robbing liquor stores to get a postgraduate? If it was such a great deal, we should have some examples. I won't accept the 60yo who is so institutionalized he can't live anywhere else, but I will accept the guy who has spent too much time drinking prison wine and doing fight club that he has to do another 2 year stretch to finish his degree.
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Jul 26, 2015 04:49
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Before anyone commits a crime they fully think through the potential consequences in a thorough and fully informed cost:benefit analysis. Everyone is a rational actor after all.
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Jul 26, 2015 05:03
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echinopsis posted:The perception is that if prison is too nice, and not enough punishment, well, then it's "dole bludging" to the extreme. Having the tax payer pay for a person who doesn't "want" to be part of society to have a free education. while "honest working" people struggle with poor paying jobs and ending up with huge student loans. People in countries where prison is "too nice" tend to pay high taxes which pay for education so they don't have huge student loans.
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Jul 26, 2015 06:52
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Teaching prisoners advanced skills means they might be able to pay tax for you in the future.
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Jul 26, 2015 07:00
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:Privatise the police. Literally have this debate two or three times a year. Same reasons, no practical method to implement other than the market will sort itself out.
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Jul 26, 2015 07:19
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xiw posted:Teaching prisoners advanced skills means they might be able to pay tax for you in the future. Yeah and not just head to the nearest insecure or poorly secured home and stealing their poo poo for a hit as soon as they get released.
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Jul 26, 2015 07:21
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El Pollo Blanco posted:So are you saying you support mandatory life sentences with no chance of parole for anyone convicted of murder or voluntary manslaughter? Anyone convicted of a vicious enough assault*, rape or murder should be executed. Do you believe a six year jail sentence is sufficient for burning someone alive? Acting like I'm some kind of monster just shows how loving little you care about the actual victims. Yeah, give the perpetrators light sentences, it's not like they really did anything that bad! * Anything causing serious disability, physical or mental should be legally considered murder Cumslut1895 fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Jul 26, 2015 |
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Jul 26, 2015 07:28
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Cumslut1895 posted:Anyone convicted of a vicious enough assault*, rape or murder should be executed. If you really cared about the victims you'd be in favour of prison rape. I know I am.
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Jul 26, 2015 07:36
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Cumslut1895 posted:Anyone convicted of a vicious enough assault*, rape or murder should be executed. Did you just link an article about the murder of someone wrongfully accused of one of the crimes you consider to be worthy of capital punishment as an example of why capital punishment for serious assault is a good idea?
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Jul 26, 2015 07:41
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El Pollo Blanco posted:Did you just link an article about the murder of someone wrongfully accused of one of the crimes you consider to be worthy of capital punishment as an example of why capital punishment for serious assault is a good idea? Murdering someone then saying 'they were totally a pedo' barely counts as an accusation. Anyway, if we're assuming court judgement are going to be wrong, imprisoning people is horrifically unethical, too. I did have an idea about wrongful convictions though, they should be investigated like deaths of medical patients, with a board investigating peoples decisions etc.Any serious screwups would result in serious jail time, it'd be better than the opaque system we have now
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Jul 26, 2015 07:47
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Once there was a murder and the motehr of the victim was christian and said "I forgive him" and my mum was like "that is so wrong and bad how could you forgive him" Some people just need punishment of other people. Justice for them, is seeing people punished
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Jul 26, 2015 07:52
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echinopsis posted:Once there was a murder and the motehr of the victim was christian and said "I forgive him" and my mum was like "that is so wrong and bad how could you forgive him" The only one who can forgive the murderer is the guy he killed. Have you considered if given the chance, he wouldn't?
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Jul 26, 2015 07:53
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"The crime is life, the sentence is death!" 
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Jul 26, 2015 08:01
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Kind of hosed up to make a murderer out of the person dispensing justice as well
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Jul 26, 2015 08:03
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Its not murder its ~*justice*~
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Jul 26, 2015 08:05
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Exclamation Marx posted:Kind of hosed up to make a murderer out of the person dispensing justice as well Either the person passing the sentence, or one of the main people giving evidence should have to pull the trigger. It's not all that much worse than making a kidnapper/accessory to rape out of the person dispensing justice, which is what happens at the moment Dragonstoned posted:Its not murder its ~*justice*~ I don't pretend that this is particularly different from murder, I just don't really care about the people it would be happening to.
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Jul 26, 2015 08:07
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Cumslut1895 posted:The only one who can forgive the murderer is the guy he killed. Have you considered if given the chance, he wouldn't? Are you saying "I will never forgive the murderer for killing my son" is a meaningless statement
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Jul 26, 2015 08:08
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echinopsis posted:Are you saying "I will never forgive the murderer for killing my son" is a meaningless statement More or less. Edit: it's worth pointing out that I'm not the biggest fan of forgiveness as a concept. for small stuff, people just forget, for large things I don't think people ever really forgive, even if they say they do
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Jul 26, 2015 08:08
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We should force killers to take out a student loan to study blackest necromancy, make them resurrect their victim, and call it ~*restorative justice*~
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Jul 26, 2015 08:15
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mirthdefect posted:We should force killers to take out a student loan to study blackest necromancy, make them resurrect their victim, and call it ~*restorative justice*~ A solution that would probably work better than real ~*restorative justice*~
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Jul 26, 2015 08:16
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Cumslut1895 posted:More or less. Hmm, forgiveness is usually for the benefit of the wronged anyway. But if someone killed your wife, you'd be mad as gently caress. They've ruined your marriage, your best friend is now dead. Of course you can be legitimately be invested in and part of the effect of that crime. I remember this girl from when I was young. she was out of my league and led me on. Anyway I haboured resentment about that for ages. Since I was in the church forgiveness was something we talked about. One night I called her up and forgave her. She had probably barely thought about what she had done. It was akward BUT I felt a lot better after it. Some kind of closure or something. Thanks for caring
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Jul 26, 2015 08:36
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So hey psycho wants everyone murdered guy, what about people to take or sell drugs? Should they also be brutally killed because it's against the law?
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Jul 26, 2015 08:50
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echinopsis posted:Hmm, forgiveness is usually for the benefit of the wronged anyway. But if someone killed your wife, you'd be mad as gently caress. They've ruined your marriage, your best friend is now dead. Of course you can be legitimately be invested in and part of the effect of that crime. Loosing your husband would suck, but actually being murdered would be a few order of magnitude worse
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Jul 26, 2015 08:50
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:So hey psycho wants everyone murdered guy, what about people to take or sell drugs? Should they also be brutally killed because it's against the law? One law, one nation 
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Jul 26, 2015 08:52
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Cumslut1895 posted:Anyone convicted of a vicious enough assault*, rape or murder should be executed. You are not civilised enough to be having this conversation. If you are not under 20 years of age, please seek psychiatric help for your antisocial behaviour. I am 100% not taking the piss.
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Jul 26, 2015 08:55
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NAH BRO POLS 101 HAS OPENED MY EYES I KNOW THINGS
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Jul 26, 2015 08:57
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klen dool posted:You are not civilised enough to be having this conversation. If you are not under 20 years of age, please seek psychiatric help for your antisocial behaviour. I am 100% not taking the piss. lol okay buddy
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Jul 26, 2015 09:02
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Cumslut1895, if what you say is true I'd expect that countries with the death penalty for serious crimes would have a low-to-non-existent murder rate. Why isn't that the case?
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Jul 26, 2015 09:03
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Exclamation Marx posted:Cumslut1895, if what you say is true I'd expect that countries with the death penalty for serious crimes would have a low-to-non-existent murder rate. Why isn't that the case? no, there will always be psycopaths, and they'll always do poo poo like set people on fire
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Jul 26, 2015 09:08
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... and advocate for a blanket policy of inmate murder.
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Jul 26, 2015 09:11
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mirthdefect posted:... and advocate for a blanket policy of inmate murder. That would explain all the dead nurses in my basement. But really, you're advocating kidnapping, assault and rape, since that's what happens in prisons atm
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Jul 26, 2015 09:13
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