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Any recommendations for screen protectors for a Cintiq? I really like using the felt tips on the stylus but I've heard multiple people say it eventually scratches the screen to poo poo
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:Any recommendations for screen protectors for a Cintiq? I really like using the felt tips on the stylus but I've heard multiple people say it eventually scratches the screen to poo poo Really? I was thinking about getting a pack of felt nibs because I had heard the exact opposite, that they were less harsh on the screen than the plastic ones.
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Jul 11, 2015 23:11
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:Any recommendations for screen protectors for a Cintiq? I really like using the felt tips on the stylus but I've heard multiple people say it eventually scratches the screen to poo poo
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Jul 12, 2015 09:53
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I've been using felt nibs on my 21UX for four years or so and have not scratched the screen. The risk I believe is in getting a piece of grit stuck in the felt, not the nib itself scratching the screen.
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Jul 12, 2015 14:54
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I've tried a Cintiq, but I returned it because of the display quality. The color reproduction wasn't great, and neither was the brightness. The pixel response was slow, too, so when I rotated the canvas or moved the image at all, it caused tracers. I was willing to deal with those issues, but the deal breaker was viewing the images on IPS and TN displays. The brightness and contrast of the images were low compared to how they appeared on the Cintiq. I would need to adjust everything on a separate monitor, and that would add more work than drawing directly on the screen was worth. Until Wacom improves the display, I'm sticking with their regular tablets. Apple retina displays are a good choice, and I know because I hacked them into working as regular monitors. With a medium tablet, there isn't much size difference or the resulting amplification of your stylus strokes. You know, what happens when a tablet surface is upscaled to a larger display area. I use this under my tablet, over my keyboard, and get along effortlessly. http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/60150176/ Tablet users aren't missing out. You definitely don't want to end up like this person who spent $1,500 on a Cintiq and wonders why their art didn't instantly improve. Or is that the $2k model, I can't tell. 
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When they came out with the most recent massive one, they said that one had fixed the display issues. Anyone know if that's the case? Not that I can afford it, but if they fixed the muddy display issues, then maybe they will do so on smaller models in the future. I use my cintiq as a second monitor/expanded desktop, so that I can check color on my regular monitor periodically while working. The apple retina display still isn't great for drawing. It might be that I'm so used to drawing on the cintiq that I am compensating for the muddy colors unnecessarily, but my contrast is always hosed up regardless of the brightness I set once I export the picture to my pc. Related: Wacom creative stylus one is $30 right now on amazon in the U.S. I'm pretty happy with it aside from the tip being kinda big. Hoping that on "prime day", Adonit Jot Touch with pixelpoint will go on sale, since I'd just like to see where the cursor is being put down for tighter artwork. Adonit Jot 4 is $60 right now and the pogo connect, which was fairly decent is $10 freaking bucks right now. Since I have the CS, though, I don't really think I need the pogo connect. My pogo connect finally got tired of being dropped a year after I got it, which is why I no longer have one. neonnoodle posted:I've been using felt nibs on my 21UX for four years or so and have not scratched the screen. The risk I believe is in getting a piece of grit stuck in the felt, not the nib itself scratching the screen. I'm guessing it's hard to get grit stuck in them since I am an absolute piglet. I do change out the nibs pretty regularly since the lines start getting wobbly once the edges get the least bit frayed. Bored fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Jul 12, 2015 |
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Jul 12, 2015 20:36
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Does anyone have experience trying to cram the felt wacom nibs into a different brand stylus? I've heard people say they fit in Yiynova styus'ss's' if you cut them shorter but I dunno about anything else.
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I just got a Huion GT220 and it's actually bigger than my main monitor - Does anyone know of any reason I shouldn't set this up as my main monitor and use it for gaming/videos as well?
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Any word on monoprice's line of tablets? I have a friend who swears by them. I want to get into doing some doodling and a little bit of design work. Low price is probably my biggest factor. Cast Iron Brick fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Jul 20, 2015 |
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Lemon posted:I just got a Huion GT220 and it's actually bigger than my main monitor - Does anyone know of any reason I shouldn't set this up as my main monitor and use it for gaming/videos as well? General wear and tear from constant usage, maybe input lag(?) No super compelling reasons to not give it a shot.
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:Any recommendations for screen protectors for a Cintiq? I really like using the felt tips on the stylus but I've heard multiple people say it eventually scratches the screen to poo poo I got the antiglare one from Nushield. Pretty durable and no real problems. The adhesive is only on the outer edge so you dont have to worry about placement fuckups. If you gently caress up though you might get a tiny corner that's permanently dogeared, but otherwise still usable.  Just like that.
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My wife wants to do some digital art on her Google Nexus and is jammed the Wacom Fineline stylus is only for iOS. Is there something similar for Android? She's mostly interested in precision of the tip.
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Frown Town posted:Cintiq Report: I'm on my third Cintiq 27QHD from B&H Photo Video - they have a pretty generous return policy and allowed me to hang onto each Cintiq I was planning to send back until replacements were back in stock and shipped to me. (Keeping them in stock seems to be an issue, they seem to come in once every two or three months) In Japan, Wacom keeps revising the price of the 27QHD down through sales incentives for retail, because there are a ton of reports of quality problems and people seem to unlike the arrangement of the remote. I don't much care for it either, it looks like a massive iPad and the surface is too glossy and has much less texture than my 24HD Touch. The stand is also now a optional item. I'm kind of expecting them to make a new variant that has those issues fixed, given the discounts, since it seems like they are trying to clear inventory for such an event. Doesn't help that all the art mags in Japan ripped Wacom a new one over the design which was allegedly "what the market wanted" and the market seems to disagree. The biggest complaint simply seems to be that the screen picks up hand grease and smudges trivially. So, with that said, having only played with them in stores.. How do you like it? Ever used the other Cintiq's to compare?
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I've been meaning to take another look at Cintiqs after the latest replies in this thread. It would be great if Wacom solved their display issues. Using IPS would be an improvement. I'm being patient because they're an input tech company first, display tech company third or fourth.
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windex posted:I'm kind of expecting them to make a new variant that has those issues fixed, given the discounts, since it seems like they are trying to clear inventory for such an event. But it just came out! I can't see them doing that just yet. quote:Doesn't help that all the art mags in Japan ripped Wacom a new one over the design which was allegedly "what the market wanted" and the market seems to disagree. The biggest complaint simply seems to be that the screen picks up hand grease and smudges trivially. The 27QHD certainly has a better display quality than my 21UX DTK-2100 but it's not particularly special compared to average desktop monitors. Displays keep getting better and not just in the resolution department; backlight tech has been improving significantly and Cintiqs have never had good lighting. Wacom has always lagged on its display sourcing. When you have an iron grip on the market, you can afford to do that. Unfortunately for them, the lesser market digitizer displays are getting better and better. Yes, real professionals will keep using Wacom because they need the workflow features of the drivers, but I see more and more amateurs picking up the knockoff brands and having success. The reductions in weight on the 27 inch model mean you can use an ergonomic arm instead of the 24HD's desk-filling stand, but it's laughable that they expect people to use the little prop legs. I had a hard enough time using the easel stand that came with the DTK-2100; I ditched it quickly for an ergo arm and never looked back. I do not own a 27QHD so I can't speak to its long-term use, but after a friend bought one I decided to demo it to see what I'm missing. I can understand why they went with the expresskey puck but if you have the Cintiq on any kind of stand it becomes worthless very quickly. The magnet to hold it to the bezel is a clever idea but honestly your muscle memory depends on those keys being in the same place every time and I doubt people will be happy with the minor misalignments and having to reposition it. The parallax effect on the digitizer is no better than prior Cintiqs and while the display quality is better Wacom should have just leapfrogged everybody and made a 4K 24 inch Cintiq. These fuckers cost a lot of money to begin with, just accept that they're expensive and make a $3K professional tool. The main gripes I've heard is that the drivers for the Expresskey remote are buggy. quote:I've been meaning to take another look at Cintiqs after the latest replies in this thread. It would be great if Wacom solved their display issues. Using IPS would be an improvement. I'm being patient because they're an input tech company first, display tech company third or fourth. The 27QHD uses an AHVA panel (sourced from AU Optronics) which is an IPS-like implementation without actually being IPS. The panel is similar to those used in this BenQ and other 27 inch monitors. http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/benq_bl2710pt.htm To the average end user, it acts like an IPS. kefkafloyd fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Jul 23, 2015 |
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kefkafloyd posted:But it just came out! I can't see them doing that just yet. Japanese company experiencing slow sales on a 1 year old product in domestic market leading to price reductions -> functionally equal to CEO apologizing for being born. I would be very suprised if the designer who signed off on a smudgy touch sensitive high gloss screen still works for them. Wacom has no functional competition here. They tried to pass off an unpolished product and got caught red handed by their own customers. Even assuming you like the hardware, my understanding is that a lot of software still isn't working right. Is it possible to adjust screen brightness yet? Also, dunno about the 27QHD but the 24HD's are three nines Adobe sRGB calibrated, both of my desktop monitors are not so much. As far as the 24HD's massive presence goes, I treat mine like a drafting table and have no complaints. I would probably be less irritated by the 27, but I've spent a lot of time drawing on tablets - going back to the old Fujitsu slates that ran XP. I cannot understand why people producing a tool for artists would use a screen that shows finger and palm prints. I also can't stand the Surface for the same reason.
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windex posted:In Japan, Wacom keeps revising the price of the 27QHD down through sales incentives for retail, because there are a ton of reports of quality problems and people seem to unlike the arrangement of the remote. I don't much care for it either, it looks like a massive iPad and the surface is too glossy and has much less texture than my 24HD Touch. The stand is also now a optional item. I'm a professional artist and use a 22HD at work and used to have a 24HD at home and my previous job. Used to use a 21UX before.. and Intuos 5, Intuos 3, Intuos 2, and a tiny 4x5 Graphire 1 when I was ~13... so I guess I'm pretty familiar with Wacom's stuff at this point. Outside of the drivers/software and dead/stuck pixel issues: I like it (but don't love it) and appreciate the extra pixel density vs the 24HD. I primarily wanted something lighter weight than the 24HD I replaced, so I could stick it on an arm and have a standing workstation at home. I feel like an arm is mandatory unless you have a very low desk- those little feet don't do much to raise the tablet at a workable level. On weight reduction alone, I feel justified for upgrading. I also feel like the colors are richer/more vibrant than the 24H - it's really a gorgeous display. It doesn't get as super hot as the 21UX from way back. I haven't really been bothered by smudge marks or a slippery display, but I'm not particularly sensitive or mindful of that kind of thing. I prefer the buttons on the side only because there's no input lag, but I think the remote would be a smart move for consolidating hotkeys to one area... IF it was absolutely lag-free - honestly haven't been using it much due to a short-but-detectable delay whenever hitting the buttons. Swapping the USB 3.0 cable for the 2.0 one helped reduce the delay (prob some interference between bluetooth and USB3.0, idk), but that was with my 1st 27HD that's since been returned. I'll have to play around with the remote in my third 27QHD and see if it does better. I use the keyboard pretty heavily for hotkeys anyways, so the remote isn't a dealbreaker. It's not possible for me to adjust brightness on my Mac currently, due to software dumbness and my not trying super hard to fix it (after spending several nights just getting the drivers to install properly) I was on the fence about returning the third Cintiq over some not-super-noticeable stuck pixels but... At this point, I've done this song and dance so many times, I'm determined to get a blemish-free display. (I have a fairly lengthy review on Amazon for it where I dish out my thoughts, username Hzee) Frown Town fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Jul 23, 2015 |
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I think the best way to sum up the smudge thing is: Its 32C outside. Humidity from June to September is >60%. My apartment in Tokyo and everyone elses has single pane glass and is poorly insulated. My little ceiling mount aircon can't even keep the office/living room at 28C (82F) when its set to 26C. My work office is flat out set to 28C because of the CoolBiz bullshit. People here sweat continiously for 4 months out of the year. It doesn't even cool off at night. Surfaces that smudge look like frosted glass after a short time due to all the skin oil deposited on them, to such a degree they sell ventilated waterproof gloves and palm covers for Surface users.
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windex posted:I think the best way to sum up the smudge thing is: I use a hand glove thingie to draw with to avoid this problem. it works pretty well, actually. It's essentially a sock with a thumb hole, and a large single hole for my fingers. I also do not miss those muggy Japanese summers. I remember the whole Cool Biz campaign, I'm surprised they're still calling it that.
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I use a Smudge Guard at work - same idea as the described hand glove. Oh man, I can't imagine dealing with that much humidity. Bigger problem for me is copious amounts of dust that settle on the screen after a day from living somewhere very arid (fluctuates between 14% and 80% - it's around 26% today)
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SynthOrange posted:I got the antiglare one from Nushield. Pretty durable and no real problems. The adhesive is only on the outer edge so you dont have to worry about placement fuckups. If you gently caress up though you might get a tiny corner that's permanently dogeared, but otherwise still usable. Thanks man. 
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Jul 27, 2015 23:23
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As a cheap "am I going to really commit to learning to draw" graphics tablet, are there obvious/notorious flaws with the previous-generation Huion 580? Basically, I'm looking for the equivalent to "buy a roll of newsprint and some graphite pencils" for a beginning artist . http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DKW816K/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A30BRCK3LE6SB5
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buy a roll of newsprint and some graphite pencils Edit: But really, though, trying to learn how to draw for the first time using a tablet as your medium is generally not a great idea. For one thing, it keeps you tethered to your computer, which encourages drawing from photos and not from life. Drawing on a tablet is tough, and if you're just starting out you run the risk of improving more slowly than you would if you just buy a stack of paper and get going. I speak from personal experience. I wasted about 5 good years of time when I could have been improving much faster, because I was wrestling with both basic draftsmanship AND the weirdness of digital drawing at the same time. neonnoodle fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Jul 29, 2015 |
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Jul 29, 2015 22:07
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I learned almost exclusively to draw on a tablet, for whatever that's worth. There's no reason not to do both if you can.
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For all my hate on the Cintiq 27QHD, I may wind up with one yet. My 24HD Touch just blew up, and Wacom only offers a 1 year warranty in Asia. We suspect the display itself is kaput, given how it's acting, as the touch screen works fine (pen grabs input to a non-functioning display, nice chirping sound every other second from what sounds like it trying to turn on the display - the logic board is fine, as the Wacom drivers detect things and Windows insists there's a monitor plugged in). They want roughly 170,000 yen ($1500) to "fix" it, and by fix I mean give me another refurb then spend that $1500 fixing my old one so they can give it to somebody else. Not really interested in that on it's face. Or paying the huge premium on the now discontinued 24HD Touch. Anyone else have any successful Wacom repair/refurb stories before I blow $2700 next month? (At least my Cintiq Companion Hybrid is still working.)
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This company is in Japan. Send them an email via Contact Us and ask if he can help you fix your Cintiq. http://abusemark.com/store/ Chances are you'll get Mark himself. Tell him the guy with this setup referred you (and that I will need four more boards soon, because I accidentally plugged a 5V Molex connector into a 12V). Way back in 2013, Mark supplied me with boards to create that setup. He's good people. Chirping comes from a capacitor, btw.
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Yeah, I know it's a capacitor, I just don't know if its blown or if something else is wrong and am not excited about removing the multiple layers of plastic shell to find out, nor do I have the tools anymore to fix it. Thanks. I'll shoot him an email. Er.. maybe. He's a long way from Tokyo.
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You're welcome! He programs his own chips, and designs and solders his own boards. Works with display tech. If he can't take care of it for some reason, he'll refer you to someone who can, I'm sure.
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neonnoodle posted:buy a roll of newsprint and some graphite pencils This is a very timely and useful response for me. I just spent well over an hour and all the day's cognitive power on trying to make Scrivener pass through raw HTML to an output file; the procedure documented in the manual didn't work. I've been fighting word processors since back when they used markup codes, and all my accumulated expertise couldn't crack this one. Having simultaneous learning curves for digital art tools and for drawing seems like a bad idea for me.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Having simultaneous learning curves for digital art tools and for drawing seems like a bad idea for me. As a counterpoint, you likely use your computer constantly and the user interfaces of most art apps are reasonably intuitive. I spent years frustrating myself on a medium with no "undo" until I finally took the plunge on a Cintiq and I've been pretty happy with my progress.
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windex posted:As a counterpoint, you likely use your computer constantly and the user interfaces of most art apps are reasonably intuitive. I spent years frustrating myself on a medium with no "undo" until I finally took the plunge on a Cintiq and I've been pretty happy with my progress. This is a really good point. The one drawing class I took in college insisted you work in Cray-Pas, and the fact that you were committed to every single line drove me to despair. I doubt I could have become a professional writer (technical) without the ability to undo, move things around, and so on.
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When you're learning finishing a drawing, noting the mistakes, and moving on is more helpful than agonizing over one leg of one figure for three times as long. Learning to rely on the undo button while still starting sounds like a really bad habit to form.
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I wanted to try drawing as a hobby, figuring "well I've got this Surface 3 and the pen, might as well make some use out of it" despite having a complete lack of any artistic sense or skills whatsoever. People here and in the other thread are suggesting learning using paper and pencil, which I have no logical argument against except "I loving hate paper and erasers, also I am a giant computer nerd." In my mind that's more than a sufficient argument  Still debating whether I want to pick up anything like Sketchbook Pro or Manga Illustrator, or just stick with the free Sketchbook or FreePaint or whatever. Probably just stick with the freebies, though having more access to Layers than the free Sketchbook provides would be nice, I've already discovered. (edit) Incidentally, picking up the Surface and trying to doodle some random poo poo from FFXIV while waiting in a dungeon queue is all sorts of relaxing, even if I'm doing it completely wrong by chicken scratching everywhere because I can't draw a straight/solid line or curve to save my life 
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Wowporn posted:When you're learning finishing a drawing, noting the mistakes, and moving on is more helpful than agonizing over one leg of one figure for three times as long. Learning to rely on the undo button while still starting sounds like a really bad habit to form. I do this all the time, when I'm done working on my current thing for the day I cut a static copy of the image and stare at to figure out where to make corrections the next day.I then do those and move to the next section. Undo is for the things you notice immediatley as wrong, but the real trick is with digital is not only do you learn from your mistakes as stated you can fix them without losing anything. Except pride, I guess. So, I'd say the line is: if starting over repeatedly is more frustrating than living with your crutch, by god, buy a crutch.
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Whatever makes it so you keep drawing is what you need. After you've started and are continuing and you want to accelerate or refine your learning, then we can talk about best practices.
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mutata posted:Whatever makes it so you keep drawing is what you need. After you've started and are continuing and you want to accelerate or refine your learning, then we can talk about best practices. Yeah, the one thing I find between paper and digital is that I have to consciously not use undo, on paper there's quite often happy accidents or good mistakes that you don't realize until later. Keeping that digitally can be harder. But yes, if you want to draw pick the medium you enjoy drawing in.
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Ciaphas posted:Still debating whether I want to pick up anything like Sketchbook Pro or Manga Illustrator, or just stick with the free Sketchbook or FreePaint or whatever. Probably just stick with the freebies, though having more access to Layers than the free Sketchbook provides would be nice, I've already discovered. I've been playing around with Mischief: https://www.madewithmischief.com/ It's an utterly stripped to the bone drawing tool that saves all your strokes as vectors, so you can zoom in and out of an endless canvas without pixelating anything. Honestly, I haven't touched Sketchbook Pro since.
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Cool, I'll take a look at that too, thanks. I've liked that Sketchbook has a tablet-orientated version of the software though, even switches between modes when I unplug the type cover on the surface.
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squirrelzipper posted:Yeah, the one thing I find between paper and digital is that I have to consciously not use undo, on paper there's quite often happy accidents or good mistakes that you don't realize until later. Keeping that digitally can be harder. But yes, if you want to draw pick the medium you enjoy drawing in. One thing I do is to create a new layer, dim the old one and draw on top, you can refine your line work much better than drawing over and over again. Also one of the things I remember being taught at Uni was to prepare to draw the line, sketch over it in the air first and then draw it once.
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Delta Echo posted:You're welcome! Hey, I just wanted to note - your buddy is chill as gently caress. Sadly, I cracked open the back of the display after attempting to replace the PSU, and the display control board PCB is cracked. Looks like I had a bad surface mount capacitor that bulged until it damaged the PCB, popped a diode on the reverse side out of its solder, then went boom. PCB crack is about 1cm in from the edge of the board, and the board has at least 3-4 layers, so there's no reconnecting the middle. So, the 27QHD will be ordered on Saturday. I am torn on this because new toy, but pretty livid I just lost a 1.5 year old $3k display. Wacom got an angry email about lovely 1 year warranties in Asia.
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