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Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

HummedExplosions posted:

I'm an EE currently doing substation design. I like my job, but I'm beginning to think I'd be happier doing circuit design. Ideally I'd be working with other teams to determine the necessary function, parameters, and requirements of a circuit, designing schematics, selecting components, designing pcb layouts, and building and testing prototypes. Does this type of job exist or are these all separate roles in hardware design?

This is basically what we do in my group. Depending on the size of the project, this will be one person or a whole team.

Here is an open requisition for a position doing exactly what you are asking about.

From the req posted:

We are seeking candidates with proven abilities in all aspects of digital and embedded system design including architecture, simulation, HDL design, PCB design, programming, verification and test. Knowledge of communications, signal or image processing, algorithm implementation in hardware and embedded programming is desired along with knowledge of FPGA design flows. Familiarity with high-speed interfaces such as PCIe and DDR3, signal integrity, and low power design is a plus. Familiarity with design tools such as Matlab, SPICE, logic simulators, and FPGA tools is expected. Applicants should also have good presentation skills and be prepared to work in a dynamic research environment.

If you feel like you're a good match then go ahead and apply.

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Doghouse
Oct 22, 2004

I was playing Harvest Moon 64 with this kid who lived on my street and my cows were not doing well and I got so raged up and frustrated that my eyes welled up with tears and my friend was like are you crying dude. Are you crying because of the cows. I didn't understand the feeding mechanic.
My wife is a mechanical engineer, looking for a mid level job in St Louis, but finding that a ton of positions require travel, which she can't really do, what with having a family and all. Is it always like that for mechanical engineering positions?

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

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Doghouse posted:

My wife is a mechanical engineer, looking for a mid level job in St Louis, but finding that a ton of positions require travel, which she can't really do, what with having a family and all. Is it always like that for mechanical engineering positions?

Mech E here, YMMV:
My job was listed as up to 25% travel I have traveled exactly 0% in 4 months. Have a 3 day trip that might maybe happen this month. At current trends I might travel 6 days per year.
My previous job was up to 15% travel, also never traveled.

totalnewbie
Nov 13, 2005

I was born and raised in China, lived in Japan, and now hold a US passport.

I am wrong in every way, all the damn time.

Ask me about my tattoos.
A lot of jobs require a lot more travel than there actually is. If it's a matter of your wife not being able to travel 2-4 days every few months then it may be a problem for a lot of positions but if you're just worried about being gone constantly (like "up to 25% travel") or something then I wouldn't worry about it and just apply anyway. That's the kind of stuff you can clarify during the interview.

torpedan
Jul 17, 2003
Lets make Uncle Ben proud
Mine is also listed as up to 25% but it is much closer to 5% (usually less.) Most of that is unplanned and has less than a few days notice and the worst case so far has been getting called at 7pm to be on a plane at 6am.

Really it is something worth inquiring about with the supervisor for the position during an interview. Not all job postings are accurate and they might be willing to take a candidate who will travel 0% to fill the position.

Hello Sailor
May 3, 2006

we're all mad here

Boris Galerkin posted:

“sorry got distracted, ok can you start over from the beginning again?”

"No, I'm busy. If you have a question for me, I'll be happy to answer it, but you need to be ready to listen to the answer."

quote:

when I need to ask someone something very quick

Use the phone, so they're forced to stop discussing Game of Thrones or whatever and talk to you and you don't look like you're interrupting.

Hello Sailor fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Jul 21, 2015

Crazyweasel
Oct 29, 2006
lazy

It sucks because you probably want to be overly nice just so you don't get remembered as a dick, but feel free to let it out with your significant other or friends.

That previous poster was spot on with the sitcom comment. For people who work hard, its amazing to see how many people, across the spectrum of responsibility, truly believe work is for a pay check and are really useless. To them you may look like an uptight youngin' who is all business, can't relax, and doesn't seem to want to get to know the team. who knows, most people just mean well in the end anyways so its a lot of playing along and being clever with how you interact.

Except for the assholes who purposefully throw grenades and destroy everything for irrational reasons...watch out for them and avoid whenever possible...

Literally Esoteric
Jun 13, 2012

One final, furious struggle...then a howl of victory

Hed posted:

Do you just need help studying for the exam or do you have questions about qualifying and sitting? If the former just get one of the PPI/other books and do a little each week in prep.

I am looking for advice on what sort of "exam prep" material to buy I guess. You recommend just the Professional Publications book?

The Chairman posted:

If you're actually after the PE license, remember that there's more to the license than passing the exam. You also need to have your supervised design experienced vetted, have your transcript evaluated, and get reference letters from other engineers. I'm not even sure if there are states that'd let you take the exam without already having all those other requirements addressed.

Did not know this could be the case. Guess I'd better look that up!

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice
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Thoguh fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Aug 10, 2023

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

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Thoguh posted:

Lockheed bought Sikorsky a few days ago. Because the aerospace industry just wasn't quite consolidated enough. One less airframe OEM now.

And because United said gently caress you Sikorsky we are selling you...

Hed
Mar 31, 2004

Fun Shoe

Literally Esoteric posted:

I am looking for advice on what sort of "exam prep" material to buy I guess. You recommend just the Professional Publications book?


Did not know this could be the case. Guess I'd better look that up!

Yes, I ordered this kit but it looks like they've added a bunch more useless poo poo to it since then. Basically I just used the Reference manual and the Sample problem book, then took the Ref manual to the test along with 1-2 books from school because I knew where to reference things in them. Also, use the calculator you passed your FE/EIT with.

But, definitely make sure you can qualify and sit for the exam before you worry about any of this.

Crazyweasel
Oct 29, 2006
lazy

Thoguh posted:

Lockheed bought Sikorsky a few days ago. Because the aerospace industry just wasn't quite consolidated enough. One less airframe OEM now.

I am in aerospace and I struggle every day not to convert to the "screw it I'm putting in my 40" attitude because when I have delusions of getting high enough to actually make a difference in the industry i read some news and boy is it depressing. I feel like unless you are born in as a 2nd generation Senator or get silver spooned to the top of the big 4, good luck trying to shift this industry

jjack229
Feb 14, 2008
Articulate your needs. I'm here to listen.
My experience for becoming a PE (I'm licensed in MN and IL)


My understanding is that all states require:


1) Accredited engineering degree

2) Four years valid engineering work experience (part of experience can be graduate degree)

3) Pass the FE exam

4) Pass the PE exam

States may additionally require:

5) Reference(s) from other PE(s)

6) Pass a state ethics exam


For the state of MN, I had to submit an application proving I had #1-3. Once the application was approved, I was allowed to register for #4. Having passed the PE exam, I had to send a license fee and I was in. I later applied to IL through reciprocity/comity (via NCEES record) and it was painless.


In IL, not only can you take the PE exam before having your application approved, but in the last few years, IL changed so that can take the exam before having the 4 years work experience. One coworker took his PE exam in graduate school, once he had his work experience, he would apply for the PE license. I had another coworker who had already done #1-3, but hadn't filed an application yet with IL. He took and passed the PE exam. He submitted the application to IL for a PE license and the board of IL rejected his application because they refused to accept his engineering experience with a giant, well-known engineering firm (5,000+ employees). He was told to apply again when he had four years of experience not counting his first company. He then applied to CA, since that was where his projects were, submitted references, took a CA ethics exam, and received his PE license.


In my experience, the basic requirements are the same for every state, but the order in which you can take the PE exam may vary. They also may have additional requirements (references and ethics exams). Check your state requirements (they may have them listed out well on their website, otherwise go through the PE license application form).

Lord_Adonis
Mar 2, 2015

by Smythe
Hello all, I was wondering if anyone could give me some career/ job hunting advice. Firstly, a bit of backstory- over the last four years I have acquired a BTEC National Diploma in Electrical/Electronic Engineering and a Higher National Diploma in the same. I also have some experience working as a mainly domestic electrician, with some City and Guild qualifications. Last year, I made an attempt at completing a 'top-up' degree allowing me to take the final year of a B.S.c Degree in Electrical/Electronic Engineering (In some degree programmes, the HNC/HND can count as having completed the first two years), which would result in me graduating with said degree. However, for a number of reasons, I failed to complete the degree and am unable to repeat it due to running out of funds for it. As such, it is now time for me to find employment. I was wondering if anyone working in Electrical/Electronic Engineering or an allied field, who knows about the engineering job market and what employers want, could advise me as to what positions would be suitable for me to apply for with just the National Diploma and HND, or if it is even worth applying at all without a degree. I am of course British, and these are British qualifications- however, I am happy to consider advice from people familiar with the engineering job scene in other countries too. To place these qualifications in context, the National Diploma is a Level 3 National Vocational Qualification, which is roughly equivalent to an A-Level, or pre-university qualification. The Higher National Diploma (encompassing the Higher National Certificate) is a Level 4 and 5 vocational qualification, roughly equivalent to the first and second years of a degree course at a standard university (Or just the first year in a top-flight university like Oxford or Cambridge). Many thanks in advance for your help!

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Lord_Adonis posted:

Hello all, I was wondering if anyone could give me some career/ job hunting advice. Firstly, a bit of backstory- over the last four years I have acquired a BTEC National Diploma in Electrical/Electronic Engineering and a Higher National Diploma in the same. I also have some experience working as a mainly domestic electrician, with some City and Guild qualifications. Last year, I made an attempt at completing a 'top-up' degree allowing me to take the final year of a B.S.c Degree in Electrical/Electronic Engineering (In some degree programmes, the HNC/HND can count as having completed the first two years), which would result in me graduating with said degree. However, for a number of reasons, I failed to complete the degree and am unable to repeat it due to running out of funds for it. As such, it is now time for me to find employment. I was wondering if anyone working in Electrical/Electronic Engineering or an allied field, who knows about the engineering job market and what employers want, could advise me as to what positions would be suitable for me to apply for with just the National Diploma and HND, or if it is even worth applying at all without a degree. I am of course British, and these are British qualifications- however, I am happy to consider advice from people familiar with the engineering job scene in other countries too. To place these qualifications in context, the National Diploma is a Level 3 National Vocational Qualification, which is roughly equivalent to an A-Level, or pre-university qualification. The Higher National Diploma (encompassing the Higher National Certificate) is a Level 4 and 5 vocational qualification, roughly equivalent to the first and second years of a degree course at a standard university (Or just the first year in a top-flight university like Oxford or Cambridge). Many thanks in advance for your help!

Learn to write more succinctly. Keeping it short and to the important facts is an important part of contacting strangers to help you.

As an American I have no idea what your qualifications are despite that description which I read.

In America we basically have three levels of "people who gently caress with electronics". Try drawing parallels with one if youd like American input.

-2 Year Associates Degree and/or Technical School Diploma as an Electronics Technician (easy)
-4 Year Electrical Engineering Technician (medium)
-4 Year Electrical Engineer (hard)



CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Jul 25, 2015

Lord_Adonis
Mar 2, 2015

by Smythe
Thanks for your response, CarForumPoster. I must admit that I do have a problem when it comes to being succinct and cogent, so I apologise for the obtuseness of my post. Anyway, in regards to your question, I can only attempt to draw broad parallels between the qualifications you listed and my own- I was hoping that qualification levels were similar across international boarders, to make international recruitment easier, but that seems not to be the case. I am not sure what you mean by 'Associates Degree'- it could be something similar to my Higher National Diploma, which took two years, is a vocational qualification and can serve as the first two years of a standard/mediocre engineering degree course, or the first year of a decent one. However, if you include my BTEC National Diploma that I did before the HND, which took one year, then that is three years of electronics education total (Well, four if you count my failed attempt to earn a top-up B.S.c this year, and five or six if you count my City and Guilds Electrical Installation qualifications). I suppose that you could call the venue in which I obtained my National Diploma and HND a 'technical college' (It was in fact, called the 'London Electronics College' which is a specialist electrical college- the highest level qualification they offer is the HND). I would suggest that my qualifications are somewhere between your first and second option, or perhaps just your second option. However, I cant be sure- perhaps someone with knowledge of both American and British qualification could chime in here? Perhaps it would help you if I described the content of those courses?

At the end of the day, I am trying to find out what sort of positions I am qualified for, hoping that I have not shot myself in the foot by failing the top-up degree.

Lord_Adonis fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Jul 25, 2015

Olothreutes
Mar 31, 2007

Lord_Adonis posted:

Thanks for your response, CarForumPoster. I must admit that I do have a problem when it comes to being succinct and cogent, so I apologise for the obtuseness of my post. Anyway, in regards to your question, I can only attempt to draw broad parallels between the qualifications you listed and my own- I was hoping that qualification levels were similar across international boarders, to make international recruitment easier, but that seems not to be the case. I am not sure what you mean by 'Associates Degree'- it could be something similar to my Higher National Diploma, which took two years, is a vocational qualification and can serve as the first two years of a standard/mediocre engineering degree course, or the first year of a decent one. However, if you include my BTEC National Diploma that I did before the HND, which took one year, then that is three years of electronics education total (Well, four if you count my failed attempt to earn a top-up B.S.c this year, and five or six if you count my City and Guilds Electrical Installation qualifications). I suppose that you could call the venue in which I obtained my National Diploma and HND a 'technical college' (It was in fact, called the 'London Electronics College' which is a specialist electrical college- the highest level qualification they offer is the HND). I would suggest that my qualifications are somewhere between your first and second option, or perhaps just your second option. However, I cant be sure- perhaps someone with knowledge of both American and British qualification could chime in here? Perhaps it would help you if I described the content of those courses?

At the end of the day, I am trying to find out what sort of positions I am qualified for, hoping that I have not shot myself in the foot by failing the top-up degree.

Some preliminary googling says that your HND is roughly equivalent to a US associates degree unless you did it in Nigeria in which case it is closer to/equivalent to a bachelor's degree. There are some services that will evaluate your coursework and provide you with an equivalence if you so desire (http://www.wes.org/ is one).

That said, I'm still in school and have no real idea what an associates degree in EE or related fields will qualify you for but I imagine that any of it will be technician type jobs here in the US. Someone else with more knowledge of EE can probably tell you better what an associates will get you.

Olothreutes fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Jul 25, 2015

KetTarma
Jul 25, 2003

Suffer not the lobbyist to live.
I have no idea what you said but if you have the equivalent of 2 years in EE school, you'd probably be a good fit for technician, engineering planning, and project analyst type positions. I don't think what you said would translate into a full engineering role.

Seriously learn to write more succinctly. Part of engineering is writing technical reports that no one will read and providing a quick summary that people WILL read.

Heliosicle
May 16, 2013

Arigato, Racists.

Lord_Adonis posted:

Thanks for your response, CarForumPoster. I must admit that I do have a problem when it comes to being succinct and cogent, so I apologise for the obtuseness of my post. Anyway, in regards to your question, I can only attempt to draw broad parallels between the qualifications you listed and my own- I was hoping that qualification levels were similar across international boarders, to make international recruitment easier, but that seems not to be the case. I am not sure what you mean by 'Associates Degree'- it could be something similar to my Higher National Diploma, which took two years, is a vocational qualification and can serve as the first two years of a standard/mediocre engineering degree course, or the first year of a decent one. However, if you include my BTEC National Diploma that I did before the HND, which took one year, then that is three years of electronics education total (Well, four if you count my failed attempt to earn a top-up B.S.c this year, and five or six if you count my City and Guilds Electrical Installation qualifications). I suppose that you could call the venue in which I obtained my National Diploma and HND a 'technical college' (It was in fact, called the 'London Electronics College' which is a specialist electrical college- the highest level qualification they offer is the HND). I would suggest that my qualifications are somewhere between your first and second option, or perhaps just your second option. However, I cant be sure- perhaps someone with knowledge of both American and British qualification could chime in here? Perhaps it would help you if I described the content of those courses?

At the end of the day, I am trying to find out what sort of positions I am qualified for, hoping that I have not shot myself in the foot by failing the top-up degree.

You have shot yourself in the foot a bit, since you'll now have to start lower down the ladder. Try looking for internships that are aimed towards people with your level of experience - they'll mention that they're for 1st or 2nd year students, you might have trouble translating that into a job right away, but if they like you they may fund your 3rd year again. You could also go for apprenticeship positions and work as a technician, I know people who've spent a few years doing that whilst being sent to university part-time to get the necessary formal experience to move up.

This depends on your living situation of course, internships and apprenticeships usually aren't that well paid (~£14k), but they're a good way to get a company's name on your CV and if you show yourself to be a good and hard worker then they'll often recruit from that pool of people rather than totally new hires for entry level positions. A company I worked for only takes on graduates that have done internships or apprenticeships for them in the past.

I haven't got much more experience than you though so there could be other paths.

T.C.
Feb 10, 2004

Believe.

Lord_Adonis posted:

Thanks for your response, CarForumPoster. I must admit that I do have a problem when it comes to being succinct and cogent, so I apologise for the obtuseness of my post. Anyway, in regards to your question, I can only attempt to draw broad parallels between the qualifications you listed and my own- I was hoping that qualification levels were similar across international boarders, to make international recruitment easier, but that seems not to be the case. I am not sure what you mean by 'Associates Degree'- it could be something similar to my Higher National Diploma, which took two years, is a vocational qualification and can serve as the first two years of a standard/mediocre engineering degree course, or the first year of a decent one. However, if you include my BTEC National Diploma that I did before the HND, which took one year, then that is three years of electronics education total (Well, four if you count my failed attempt to earn a top-up B.S.c this year, and five or six if you count my City and Guilds Electrical Installation qualifications). I suppose that you could call the venue in which I obtained my National Diploma and HND a 'technical college' (It was in fact, called the 'London Electronics College' which is a specialist electrical college- the highest level qualification they offer is the HND). I would suggest that my qualifications are somewhere between your first and second option, or perhaps just your second option. However, I cant be sure- perhaps someone with knowledge of both American and British qualification could chime in here? Perhaps it would help you if I described the content of those courses?

At the end of the day, I am trying to find out what sort of positions I am qualified for, hoping that I have not shot myself in the foot by failing the top-up degree.

" I'm not sure what my diploma is equivalent to in the US. The Higher National Diploma is a two year vocational diploma from a technical college. What does that qualify me for?"

These three sentences manage to convey 95% of what you said above. You could maybe add a few sentences for context if you really wanted.

T.C. fucked around with this message at 09:24 on Jul 27, 2015

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

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SubCrid TC posted:

" I'm not sure what my diploma is equivalent to in the US. The Higher National Diploma is a two year vocational diploma from a technical collage. What does that qualify me for?"

These three sentences manage to convey 95% of what you said above. You could maybe add a few sentences for context if you really wanted.

Yea this and what others said. I really cant understate how true this is and as a fairly new engineer is something I struggle with myself. If I have an email with more than 5 sentences in it I tend to save it as a draft and come back 5 minutes later. You recognized that as an issue but failed to really do anything about it in your reply.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡
I learned a neat thing this week, Microsoft Visio rocks. Sometimes you can just have a simple chart or a graph of something that represents a lot of confusing documents.

How I learned this:
One of my responsibilities is evaluating "small" changes to airplane electronics and deciding if they're small or warrant investigation/testing. Things like replacing a chip with it's identical lead free cousin is small so long as you apply the same coatings to it for example. I got this set of 47 pages of documents that seemed extremely confusing as it was hard to know what was really being changed. I put the components into an org chart with the main assembly as the "executive" and the first sub assembly as the "manager" and the actual changes as the employees. In that 47 pages I was able to clearly illustrate with 1 chart that actually only 5 components were changing, it was simply the case that those 5 changes affected like 40 parts and thus I got a confusing document dump that was poorly explained.

I had never used Visio and it took about 2 seconds to learn. It is also one of those softwares that they ask about in interviews and you should feel foolish saying you dont know how to use it as it is roughly as challenging as PowerPoint.

Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

Perfect
Visio has a pretty gnarly enterprise fee so don't expect it to be everywhere.

P.D.B. Fishsticks
Jun 19, 2010

Visio would be amazing to have, but yeah, we don't have it (we used to!) and instead I get stuck spending five times as long trying to do that kind of work using Word's drawing tools and still having it look terrible.

Vaporware
May 22, 2004

Still not here yet.
Yeah, Visio is great. I used it extensively and as long as you don't get too complicated you can do a lot.

The rabbit hole is quite deep, though, you can get caught up in trying to get things to work the way you want. If you're a VBA wizard you can make your own shapes that scale properly and such, but I wouldn't bet my paycheck on that being a marketable skill.

Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

Perfect

P.D.B. Fishsticks posted:

Visio would be amazing to have, but yeah, we don't have it (we used to!) and instead I get stuck spending five times as long trying to do that kind of work using Word's drawing tools and still having it look terrible.

I make stuff in powerpoint, make a screen shot and paste it into word. The word drawing area thing is a formatting disaster waiting to happen.

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

P.D.B. Fishsticks posted:

Visio would be amazing to have, but yeah, we don't have it (we used to!) and instead I get stuck spending five times as long trying to do that kind of work using Word's drawing tools and still having it look terrible.
Depending on how fancy you're trying to get, draw.io can make a nice Visio substitute for a basic diagram.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010
We have Visio but some of the people here have started using Enterprise Architect. I am still getting a handle on it, but it looks pretty useful and much less expensive than Visio.

Olothreutes
Mar 31, 2007

Does anyone here have any experience with Spaceclaim? I have basically zero experience with CAD software and I'm about to begin a project that will need me to learn it. I'm also learning another program that has a three day intro class where they teach the CAD portion using Spaceclaim. My understanding is that the other software can take inputs from lots of other CAD software, solidworks and some others, so is there any benefit to any of these aside from industry prevalence?

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

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Star War Sex Parrot posted:

Depending on how fancy you're trying to get, draw.io can make a nice Visio substitute for a basic diagram.

Except the whole reason for using Visio for me, is that you can say I wanna make an org chart, and then just drag and drop and auto format and auto rearrange everything.

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

CarForumPoster posted:

Except the whole reason for using Visio for me, is that you can say I wanna make an org chart, and then just drag and drop and auto format and auto rearrange everything.
Right. I wasn't responding to you specifically but rather the people who are trying to use Word's drawing tools instead.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

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Star War Sex Parrot posted:

Right. I wasn't responding to you specifically but rather the people who are trying to use Word's drawing tools instead.

This whole thread isn't about me?

I...

...:smith:

P.D.B. Fishsticks
Jun 19, 2010

Uncle Jam posted:

I make stuff in powerpoint, make a screen shot and paste it into word. The word drawing area thing is a formatting disaster waiting to happen.

Yeah, I should correct myself that it's often easier to do it in PowerPoint.

That said, there've been times when I've opened up Notepad and manually coded an SVG because Word's so terrible with getting anything to be aligned correctly.

KetTarma
Jul 25, 2003

Suffer not the lobbyist to live.
The other day I spent much of my day making drawings of our office furniture layout with labels and daily taskers (such as pushing in the chairs) to improve lean streamline kaizan six sigma disruptive.

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Jun 17, 2008

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Plasmafountain fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Feb 27, 2023

dxt
Mar 27, 2004
METAL DISCHARGE

Zero Gravitas posted:

I've got an interview on monday for a company in surrey that develops some particularly spiffy engines. The job was advertised as an "analytical engineer" job taking care of some CFD and FEA simulation. The recruiting agency asked me for a ballpark salary and I had no idea what the hell I'm worth so I went with £22-25k.

I've since been put forward for interview and got the actual job description that the agency was handed and I feel it was significantly under-played - if this thing is to be believed then I'm pretty much designing the entirety of the engine system and solving any and all of its issues.

I've got a B.Eng in mechanical engineering, lots of cad experience and essentially all of the taught component of a master of science in aerospace engineering - due to some university fuckery I have to resit an exam but wait until next may to do it.

Am I right in thinking that I should be asking for more salary than the initial figure I quoted?

Not sure what engineering salaries are like over in the UK, but that seems very very low.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS
The answer to that question is some variant of "I'm not comfortable giving a number" and playing the whole game of "no, you give a number first". There's an exception if you're already quite overpaid and need to anchor the discussion around your current pay, but that's pretty rare.

No idea if there's a cultural difference in the UK, but I think you screwed up seriously there. It sounds really low to me as well, like half of what I imagine a reasonable starting salary for a new graduate to be.

Hello Sailor
May 3, 2006

we're all mad here

Whenever I look at salaries for non-US engineering jobs, it does seem like pay in the UK is a good deal lower than the US, even after the pounds-to-dollars adjustment.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS

Hello Sailor posted:

Whenever I look at salaries for non-US engineering jobs, it does seem like pay in the UK is a good deal lower than the US, even after the pounds-to-dollars adjustment.
Yeah and then I look at rent in London and am extra confused.

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Oodles
Oct 31, 2005

It does seem low, when I got my first job 8 years ago, albeit in oil, my starting salary was £24k. Plus, I wasn't in London.

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