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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:China's gonna crash in Actual real-live Chinese people will tell you the economy was better in the '90s but it's harder to get by now and people are upset.
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Grand Fromage posted:Is there any truth to all the stories of Taiwan being covered with all kinds of hidden defensive stuff? Like the things Switzerland has everywhere. I saw some of the WIle E. Coyote defense poo poo around Seoul and Taiwan's had a lot of time and motivation to set up defenses. When I was in Hualien for a few days, the entire time I was there (like literally 24/7), there were jets taking off and landing for CAP. Plus all of the highways have deployable tank traps and can be converted to runways, which the air force practices for.
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Jul 26, 2015 06:51
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Arglebargle III posted:Actual real-live Chinese people will tell you the economy was better in the '90s but it's harder to get by now and people are upset. I think most people in any country would tell you the same thing. except Russia I guess
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Jul 26, 2015 09:04
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Arglebargle III posted:Actual real-live Chinese people will tell you the economy was better in the '90s but it's harder to get by now and people are upset. We don't even need to go back to the 90's. I have relatives telling me that their businesses have been doing consistently worse for at least three years now (which is obvious for anyone following the economic news). Anyways, I don't think the CCP is going to collapse primarily because I don't know where the opposition would suddenly spring forth from, but if the future is going to resemble the past, their authoritarian regime shouldn't last more much longer with ever more growth. The number of undemocratic states with gdp per capita of 25,000+ is extremely small. And yes, I do believe we are going to see China reaching that figure within 20 years given that their gdp per capita is already estimated to be half that (thus requiring a pessimistic less than 4% average annual growth to double that figure).
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Jul 26, 2015 10:08
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You not only don't need to go back to the 90s, you can't go back to the 90s. That's physics.
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Jul 26, 2015 10:17
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China’s Plan To Create A Supercity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UBQvChQDEc They plan for 130 million people...
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Arglebargle III posted:You not only don't need to go back to the 90s, you can't go back to the 90s. That's physics. actually, dates are arbitrary and you can totally just go back to 1990 if you want to.
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Jul 26, 2015 13:15
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:China’s Plan To Create A Supercity https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tHnA94-hTC8 just replace petey pablo with me and replace NORTH CAROLINA with TI AN JIN SHI
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Jul 26, 2015 13:21
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Jeoh posted:actually, dates are arbitrary and you can totally just go back to 1990 if you want to. I double dog dare you.
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Jul 26, 2015 19:02
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sincx posted:But they exist. Singapore-style single party dictatorship is exactly what the CCP is going for. Singapore is not a great example it's a city-state not really country.
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Jul 26, 2015 20:23
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Grand Fromage posted:Is there any truth to all the stories of Taiwan being covered with all kinds of hidden defensive stuff? Like the things Switzerland has everywhere. I saw some of the WIle E. Coyote defense poo poo around Seoul and Taiwan's had a lot of time and motivation to set up defenses.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:China’s Plan To Create A Supercity "Hey look at this massive prestige project we're planning! Pay no attention to the economy or how we're loving you every day, pay attention to this! It'll be 25 times the size of New York! China stronk!"
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Jul 26, 2015 22:43
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Japan still pushes massive infrastructure projects to inflate growth numbers to this very day, 25 years after it became apparent that that model would not work in the long run. I don't expect to see China change for a long, long time
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Jul 26, 2015 22:48
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Arglebargle III posted:I double dog dare you. I just dated a cheque for July 26, 1992. Checkmate.
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Jul 26, 2015 23:59
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:China’s Plan To Create A Supercity Why don't they just move people into the various other empty ghost town supercities they built.
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Rated PG-34 posted:I just dated a cheque for July 26, 1992. Checkmate. Don't you mean chequemate?
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Jul 27, 2015 01:46
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The DAB and their allies voted down investigating why HKers are getting lead poisoning from tainted water. https://www.hongkongfp.com/2015/07/23/pro-beijing-legislators-vote-down-investigation-into-lead-in-water-scandal/ My wife still refuses to register to vote because she's "not interested in politics, and all politicians are corrupt to a degree", even when one party is literally supporting the poisoning of our water.
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Jul 27, 2015 03:15
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I saw a Labour party (bad one) put up new signs declaring the democrats the murderers of democracy. Included were a knife and the Chinese of "murderer" written in blood.
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Imperialist Dog posted:The DAB and their allies voted down investigating why HKers are getting lead poisoning from tainted water. gently caress YOU GOT MINE I DONT CARE (until you get affected)
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Jul 27, 2015 04:19
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Speaking of great walls is tourist part a bunch of recently made parts for display and the real ancient wall a ruin? I was watching idiot abroad and it seemed to be the case.
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cheesetriangles posted:Speaking of great walls is tourist part a bunch of recently made parts for display and the real ancient wall a ruin? I was watching idiot abroad and it seemed to be the case. You gotta consider that the original wall was built well over 2000 years ago, and in that time it's been demolished, abandoned, expanded, refurbished, and made obsolete by moving borders. I wouldn't be surprised if the section they decided to make the main tourist section is mostly new construction, but gently caress it. The Japanese blew up practically every significant palace or temple the Koreans had, but no one seems to care that those aren't the original.
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The wall as we know it is from the Ming Dynasty like 400-500 years ago or something, pretty much nothing from the Qin wall from 2000 years ago is still around. The bit near Beijing that all the tourists see was refurbished recently but it's not like they built a wall out of thin air there (although they also probably didn't go to great strides to have it 100% accurate).
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Pretty much nothing that old is really cool to look at without some serious restoration. If the Qin wall was still around, it'd mostly be "look at these awesome foundations where something important was two thousand years ago!"
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Jul 27, 2015 16:11
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Nah Roman ruins are still great. And lots of unrestored Ming walls of varying quality are still around, some look pretty nice. Still understandable that the main section they have people visit should be restored though.
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Jul 27, 2015 16:17
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Nintendo Kid posted:Haha, why are you all up on China's nuts all of a sudden? 因为我在中国有家庭，朋友，财产， 爆你的菊花.
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:因为我在中国有家庭，朋友，财产， 爆你的菊花. I see you don't actually have a reason, nice.
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Jul 28, 2015 01:49
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Nintendo Kid posted:I see you don't actually have a reason, nice. Would you call that "吹中国人民的箫"?
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hailthefish posted:Would you call that "吹中国人民的箫"? Is that the Chinese for "hurt feelings"?
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Koramei posted:Nah Roman ruins are still great. And lots of unrestored Ming walls of varying quality are still around, some look pretty nice. China certainly has some problems with the authenticity of some of its "cultural relics," but the vast majority of Roman ruins have been heavily modified (like the Pantheon and Colosseum) or restored to about the same extent as most of the Great Wall.  Most people don't know, for instance, that almost all of Ostia was very heavily "restored" by Mussolini in the 1930s and looks very little like it did when found.Also, some original Qin/Western Han portions of the Great Wall are preserved in dry provinces like Qinghai, but because they were made of tamped earth they look like this now: 
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Nintendo Kid posted:Is that the Chinese for "hurt feelings"? He says I like microjeeb.
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The East Asian conception of antiquities is different than the one we have in western culture. For us the original structure is what's important. In Asia, the real value of the thing is in the location. This likely is because the monumental architecture that created the western ideas was done in stone and survived, while historically most architecture in East Asia was wooden construction. Temples would be destroyed and rebuild constantly--there's no point in valuing the building. However, it's always built on the same spot. So for a culture like China or Japan, what's important is "there has been a temple on this spot for 2,500 years" rather than "this specific temple has been here for 2.500 years". So what you end up with is a lot of places that, to the westerner, are bullshit fakes. You built this palace in the 1970s, don't call it ancient. To the local point of view though, it's completely legitimate because this is where the palace was and it's rebuilt along the original lines.MeinPanzer posted:China certainly has some problems with the authenticity of some of its "cultural relics," but the vast majority of Roman ruins have been heavily modified (like the Pantheon and Colosseum) or restored to about the same extent as most of the Great Wall. This is true to an extent, but the difference is that in China (or Korea or Japan) things are just flat out rebuilt completely new. Modern restoration in western countries usually tries to do the absolute minimum needed to keep the structure from falling apart. They try not to replace anything, and if they do have to replace something efforts are made to either make the replacements invisible from the outside or to use materials that will blend in. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Jul 28, 2015 |
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Grand Fromage posted:This is true to an extent, but the difference is that in China (or Korea or Japan) things are just flat out rebuilt completely new. Modern restoration in western countries usually tries to do the absolute minimum needed to keep the structure from falling apart. They try not to replace anything, and if they do have to replace something efforts are made to either make the replacements invisible from the outside or to use materials that will blend in. Building in more durable materials absolutely makes a huge difference when talking about restoration in West vs. East Eurasia, but you have to keep in mind that up until quite recently standards for restoration in much of the West were about as loose as those in the East. Only in the last 80 years or so, for instance, has some form of consensus formed in the West about limiting the reconstruction of ancient monuments and being transparent about what is restored and what is not, and even today some countries don't adhere very faithfully to those standards (like Greece). There are many monuments around the Mediterranean and Near East that at some point were basically entirely rebuilt from old materials in a highly speculative manner, or even "reconstructed" from majority new material, but you'd never know it from visiting the site today.
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That's why I specified modern. Archaeology before the 50s or so was a mess.
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Grand Fromage posted:That's why I specified modern. Archaeology before the 50s or so was a mess. Knossos remains my favorite fever dream restoration site, complete with flocks of peacocks because Sir Arthur Evans was convinced they belonged there.
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Also pretty much everything was leveled in the big war in the big cities of Asia, its pretty hard to restore all of the sites to OG condition from craters without a lot of money. The truly old buildings are awesome, but its not because of some different mentality of restoration at that site, usually just because it didn't have a bomb land on it/catch fire.
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Aren't most of the places people live also close enough to fault lines that permanent structures weren't even a thing thought about because of earthquakes?
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Maybe because of Daoism the oriental mind did not seek to conceive of immutable architecture whereas the logical Westerner sought to conquer nature rather than live in harmony with it
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