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En Fuego posted:So, I really love this Rally deck ... but it's essentially value/combo. I have a feeling it's the flavor of the week and it's GOT to have some glaring weaknesses, right? Anger of the Gods and Hallowed Moonlight I love Hallowed Moonlight so much. I hope no top deck plays it so I can continue to blindside CoCo, See the Unwritten, and Rally players. 
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bhsman posted:Anger of the Gods, probably. Anger can keep casted creatures off the board and exiled but it doesn't really do much against a rally for damage or card draw. Being that this deck has access to reclamation sage tormod's doesn't seem like a sure thing either.
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Jul 27, 2015 18:02
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AlternateNu posted:Anger of the Gods and Hallowed Moonlight Mardu dragons get access to both sideboard options. gently caress it, Mardu Dragons it is for this weekend.
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Jul 27, 2015 18:05
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Sickening posted:Mardu dragons get access to both sideboard options. gently caress it, Mardu Dragons it is for this weekend. Actually, Hallowed Moonlight is great in Jeskai tokens decks since it triggers Ascendancy and cantrips and can gently caress over the following cards that are giant headaches for Jeskai tokens: Rally the Ancestors Genesis Hydra See the Unwritten Collected Company Whisperwood Elemental Raise the Alarm/Dragon Fodder/Hordeling Outburst/Secure the Wastes Deathmist Raptor
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Jul 27, 2015 18:19
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bhsman posted:Anger of the Gods, probably. Anger is a pretty terrible answer since it's Sorcery speed. The best answer is counterspells. En Fuego posted:So, I really love this Rally deck ... but it's essentially value/combo. I have a feeling it's the flavor of the week and it's GOT to have some glaring weaknesses, right? I'm working on tweaking the list for regionals this week. Let me know if you have any good tech.
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Jul 27, 2015 18:22
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Agent of Erebos for decks that have black.
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Jul 27, 2015 18:38
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Sickening posted:And full art land also shouldn't be in every set because we don't want to give more reasons to open packs. I mean these are basics lands. If they aren't thrown away in bulk things could change for the worse. Opening packs and cool and fun when you don't give a poo poo about mtgfinance.
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Jul 27, 2015 18:41
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Good point about Anger only being Sorcery speed; I had legit forgotten about Rally being an Instant. I still remember people at my store ripping those up as a joke because 'lol poo poo card'.
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Jul 27, 2015 18:43
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bhsman posted:Good point about Anger only being Sorcery speed; I had legit forgotten about Rally being an Instant. I still remember people at my store ripping those up as a joke because 'lol poo poo card'. I thought it was poo poo too. I'm nowhere near smart enough to come up with that deck.
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Jul 27, 2015 18:45
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mcmagic posted:I thought it was poo poo too. I'm nowhere near smart enough to come up with that deck. I actually lost to this deck at an IQ before origins was released and I somehow doubt the guy sitting across from me came up with it, so it was out there already. It didn't finish well on the day but then again it didn't have lily and the other origins goodies.
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Jul 27, 2015 18:51
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Sickening posted:I actually lost to this deck at an IQ before origins was released and I somehow doubt the guy sitting across from me came up with it. It didn't finish well on the day but then again it didn't have lily and the other origins goodies. I saw rally decks at IQ's too but it was nowhere near as good as this new one. It had Siege Rhino's and Gary's and needed to rally for like X = 5 to win.
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Jul 27, 2015 18:52
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Something like Stain the Mind for Rally or Infinite Obliteration for Husk seems to turn the deck into just a pile of iffy creatures.
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qbert posted:Something like Stain the Mind for Rally or Infinite Obliteration for Husk seems to turn the deck into just a pile of iffy creatures. That isn't true at all. The deck can win without Husk EASILY just with the ratpor/den protector value engine and liliana + the sac creatures. That's why it's by far the best rally deck.
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Jul 27, 2015 19:12
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mcmagic posted:That isn't true at all. The deck can win without Husk EASILY just with the ratpor/den protector value engine and liliana + the sac creatures. That's why it's by far the best rally deck. Well any deck with Den Protector/Raptor can win with just that, but forcing the deck and of play a straight game makes its performance much worse. The Jeskai tokens deck can win without Ascendancy, doesn't mean it can do so consistently.
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Yeah as simple as it is, the Husk seems to be the thing that really kicked it to the next level. Now you can partially go off and not be back at ground zero for your next Rally+hits like a freight train if they don't have a black blocker.
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Jul 27, 2015 19:20
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mcmagic posted:I thought it was poo poo too. I'm nowhere near smart enough to come up with that deck. Yeah, decks like this are why I never completely poo poo on cards because you never know what sort of deck's context will make it magically good.
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qbert posted:Something like Stain the Mind for Rally or Infinite Obliteration for Husk seems to turn the deck into just a pile of iffy creatures. i can't look up cards to see what stain the mind does but infinite obliteration is the narrowest sideboard card in the world and almost certainly not worth a card
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Jul 27, 2015 19:24
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mandatory lesbian posted:i can't look up cards to see what stain the mind does but infinite obliteration is the narrowest sideboard card in the world and almost certainly not worth a card Sideboard cards aren't chosen based on the number of different decks they can beat, but on the percentage of the expected field they can beat. If Abzan Rally becomes The Most Popular Deck In Standard and makes up Mono-B Devotion levels of the field, then a narrow sideboard card could still warrant a slot.
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Jul 27, 2015 19:27
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GonSmithe posted:
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mandatory lesbian posted:i can't look up cards to see what stain the mind does but infinite obliteration is the narrowest sideboard card in the world and almost certainly not worth a card Stain the Mind is Memoricide for I think 4B with convoke.
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qbert posted:Sideboard cards aren't chosen based on the number of different decks they can beat, but on the percentage of the expected field they can beat. If Abzan Rally becomes The Most Popular Deck In Standard and makes up Mono-B Devotion levels of the field, then a narrow sideboard card could still warrant a slot. okay like sure that's possible but i honestly don't think this deck is gonna demand an answer. i mean i'd love for it to really it's just it's a hella janky deck. also if a rally deck does turn out to be tier one i want the sultai version to win out, that one's got hella class
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Jul 27, 2015 19:33
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mandatory lesbian posted:okay like sure that's possible but i honestly don't think this deck is gonna demand an answer. i mean i'd love for it to really it's just it's a hella janky deck. I agree with all of this.
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Jul 27, 2015 19:33
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qbert posted:I agree with all of this. There is a version of the deck that is 5C and wins with Multiple Prupheros triggers that is interesting too.
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mcmagic posted:There is a version of the deck that is 5C and wins with Multiple Prupheros triggers that is interesting too. Yeah I always assumed the card would go in a Boros build because Purphoros and Hammer of Purphoros just seemed like a natural fit. Although it's pretty obvious now that the deck really needs green for the graveyard enablers like Wayfinder. Maybe there's a Naya version that's more straight aggression and less grindy? Edit: Just thought of another good hate card for the Rally deck. Hushwing Gryff. Turning off Merciless/Fleshbag/Satyr/Mogis' triggers basically means the only value off of a Rally is drawing cards off Haruspex. Gryff is versatile against a bunch of cards right now too. qbert fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Jul 27, 2015 |
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Jul 27, 2015 20:11
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Darkest mage is playing rally atm. Who didn't see that coming.
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I actually tried to make a b/w deck with rally the ancestors a while ago using mogis' marauder but it's way more legit now it has some more pieces to make it work properly
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Jul 27, 2015 20:29
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Sickening posted:Darkest mage is playing rally atm. Who didn't see that coming. He already said a few days ago he would likely be playing rally. I believe he's testing out some other decks though, including jeskai.
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qbert posted:Edit: Just thought of another good hate card for the Rally deck. Hushwing Gryff. Turning off Merciless/Fleshbag/Satyr/Mogis' triggers basically means the only value off of a Rally is drawing cards off Haruspex. Gryff is versatile against a bunch of cards right now too. I'm running Jeskai Aggro, and some decks I've seen run that card main. I think I'm going to try it.
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qbert posted:Interesting Twitter argument happening right now among some pro players. Ari Lax tweeted that he regrets not trainwrecking his last draft at the GP, a draft which Josh Utter-Leyton was a part of, in order to potentially make Josh draft a worse deck. Doing so might have helped out Ari's friend Scott Rudin, who's competing with Josh currently for an At Large spot to the World Championships. Here's the whole conversation for what it's worth.
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Ari Lax is a dick and so are most of the people he teams with. I've never had a good experience with any of them.
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mcmagic posted:Ari Lax is a dick and so are most of the people he teams with. I've never had a good experience with any of them. I'd be interested in hearing your Ari Lax stories.
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qbert posted:I'd be interested in hearing your Ari Lax stories. Sat next to him twice at Eternal Weekend last year and he was being a jackass to his opponent both times. Just didn't seem like a nice guy at all.
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Jul 27, 2015 21:09
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Ok the rally deck is officially hilarious on MTGO- cast rally, 10 creatures immediately pop into play and 5 triggers go on the stack.
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Jul 27, 2015 21:09
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Speaking of Eternal Weekend, who's going this year?
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BJPaskoff posted:Speaking of Eternal Weekend, who's going this year? I'll be there. Will also be at the SCG Legacy Open in DC.
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When I met Ari at an open he was nice and helped me with my deck 
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I think my Week of Elves is finally over. I was 3-0-1 and 3-1 with modern and standard UG elves bewteen Mon & Weds, so on Fri I said I was going to force UG elves in draft -- only to get handed a stupid pool that included 2 shaman of the packs, elites, everything you need. Went 2-1, then foolishly tried to force elves in a second draft, it was terrible and I didn't win a game.
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mcmagic posted:Sat next to him twice at Eternal Weekend last year and he was being a jackass to his opponent both times. Just didn't seem like a nice guy at all. My buddy was at PT Theros playing hexproof. It is late in day one and he's doing pretty well. He's seated next to Lax, who finishes his match first. After writing his own match slip, Lax reaches out and takes my friend's slip and whips out his phone. He's entering in the names and the decks that they're on. My friend says, "What do you think you're doing, that's not your slip." Lax says, "Hey, it's not against the rules man." So my friend slaps his phone out of his hand, says, "Oops," and stares him down. Lax didn't call a judge, just grabbed his stuff picked up his phone and walked off.
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:My buddy was at PT Theros playing hexproof. It is late in day one and he's doing pretty well. He's seated next to Lax, who finishes his match first. After writing his own match slip, Lax reaches out and takes my friend's slip and whips out his phone. He's entering in the names and the decks that they're on. My friend says, "What do you think you're doing, that's not your slip." Lax says, "Hey, it's not against the rules man." So my friend slaps his phone out of his hand, says, "Oops," and stares him down. Lax didn't call a judge, just grabbed his stuff picked up his phone and walked off. So tough.
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mcmagic posted:Sat next to him twice at Eternal Weekend last year and he was being a jackass to his opponent both times. Just didn't seem like a nice guy at all. I can't imagine this being wrong when this is the guy I mean look at it.  Also lol that when I looked him up the first entry was a Wikipedia article. Lol which one of you made wikis for cardboard wizards?
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