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Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free

Exclamation Marx posted:

please don't threaten heads of state, government, etc. on this website

I threatened his neck.

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puchu
Sep 20, 2004

hiya~
It was hella funny when that dude threatened to kill some president of the USA and then the secret service investigated lowtax. A top, top moment in forums history

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



I agree.

bobbilljim
May 29, 2013

this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me
:shittydog::shittydog::shittydog:
Sorry thread, I will make sure not to use words such as "exponentially" ever again until I have had a proper mathematical edumacashun :smith:

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janis-powers/he-gave-me-a-breathalyzer_b_7857924.html

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

How dare other countries have other laws, what is this bullshit.

She was speeding with two kids in the car, she was a loving moron regardless of intoxication.

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free

Straight in with the sheep jokes.

What a fat loud idiot American!

bobbilljim
May 29, 2013

this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me
:shittydog::shittydog::shittydog:
You guys, they got her DNA!! without consent! and kids in the car!!

Don't worry though: she won't be paying the speeding ticket :smug:

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free

bobbilljim posted:

You guys, they got her DNA!! without consent! and kids in the car!!

Don't worry though: she won't be paying the speeding ticket :smug:

Hope she likes not leaving the country.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
I like the bit where she compares herself to Sandra Bland

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:

Hope she likes not leaving the country.

:tinfoil: What if that was her plan all along?! :tinfoil:

bobbilljim
May 29, 2013

this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me
:shittydog::shittydog::shittydog:

BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:

Hope she likes not leaving the country.

An american idiot posted:

New Zealand law enforcement may have collected my DNA through a breathalyzer test, but they failed to collect my money for the traffic citation before I left the country. Since I can't find the ticket here at home, am I the one who's bending the rules?

bobbilljim
May 29, 2013

this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me
:shittydog::shittydog::shittydog:
Your move, sheepshaggers :smug:

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free

WarpedNaba posted:

:tinfoil: What if that was her plan all along?! :tinfoil:

If she stays here long enough she might stop endangering her children!

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free

Ha, that's even better because if she ever wants to come back here she's going to have a massive fine to pay before she's allowed to enter the country.

Robo Captain
Sep 28, 2013

quote:

It flies in the face of the principles outlined in numerous amendments to the American Constitution, as well as thousands of years of legal precedence, dating back to Roman Emperor Justinian. While suffering inconveniences for the greater good is part of living in a society, citizens must question the boundaries that restrict their individual freedoms.

This is hilarious.

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
Lol at the NZers mocking her on her facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/janispowerswriter?fref=ts

whiter than a Wilco show
Mar 30, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
Maybe the editor forgot to hold the piece back until after the tppa is signed and US law does apply here.

Cumslut1895
Feb 18, 2015

by FactsAreUseless
I don't suppose we could just sign the deal then split Pharmac into like 2 regional bodies?

SurreptitiousMuffin
Mar 21, 2010

quote:

The fact that I was compelled to take a breathalyzer test is certainly on the low end of the spectrum of potential civil rights abuses. The spate of deaths of unarmed black men at the hands of American law enforcement in recent months, and now the death of Sandra Bland, casts a shadow on the notion of what it means to live in the land of the free. Nonetheless, a minor infraction is still an infraction. And in New Zealand, their approach to catching drunk drivers gives law enforcement the authority to act based on the assumption that people are guilty before proven innocent.
Just preserving this wonderful piece of text for posterity.

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

SurreptitiousMuffin posted:

Just preserving this wonderful piece of text for posterity.

She was speeding! With two kids! In the car!

She should be pleasantly surprised that the New Zealand Police Force assumed she was impaired. Given that the other option was that making it to her loving wine tasting was genuinely more important to her than her kids.

puchu
Sep 20, 2004

hiya~
hell she's lucky she wasn't asian otherwise her keys would have been taken and she wouldn't be able to drive back to her seven houses

SurreptitiousMuffin
Mar 21, 2010
Getting pulled over for speeding is exactly as bad as the systematic racism that gets black folks gunned down by the very people who are supposed to protect them.

Don't believe me? Well have you heard of this thing called the Corpus Juris Civilis? Justinian would not have stood for this. Also Mabo v Queensland 1992, and the general vibe of the thing, you know?




I rest my case.

Binkenstein
Jan 18, 2010

This $25m estimated increased cost to Pharmac each year, with the gracious offer from National to cover it from Taxpayer money, has me wondering how much the gross trade $ value will be for the Govt to see $25m in taxes.

Business are taxed at 33%, so the TPP would need to see $75.75m in profit from new trade in order to offset this cost.

Using Fonterra as an example, because most of the New Trade will be dairy, obviously. Looking at their 2014 financial statement they had $22,275m in revenue for the Group, and $13,243m for the Parent company for the year ended 31/7/2014, with profit of $179m & $167m respectively. That's a $346m profit on $35.5b of revenue, or 0.974%.

So for $75.75m in profit Fonterra would need to see a revenue increase of $7.77b. Even if we go with a 5% profit: revenue ratio, they'd still need $1.5b in revenue to generate $25m in tax. That's stupid.

Also: National realise that the ones who Pharmac helps most are the poor, right? It's a bit ironic for them to be cracking down on beneficiaries & those using state housing while offering to pay more for their health subsidies.

Varkk
Apr 17, 2004

Yes but the increased money won't go to the poors it will go to the drug companies and then on to the shareholders. Also they will provide a one off bump to pharmac and tout it as them increasing spending on public health then slowly drain the money back out in the next few budgets.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Binkenstein posted:

So for $75.75m in profit Fonterra would need to see a revenue increase of $7.77b. Even if we go with a 5% profit: revenue ratio, they'd still need $1.5b in revenue to generate $25m in tax. That's stupid.

Also: National realise that the ones who Pharmac helps most are the poor, right? It's a bit ironic for them to be cracking down on beneficiaries & those using state housing while offering to pay more for their health subsidies.

They probably realise. I doubt they give a poo poo.

But yeah, pressuring government services to turn a profit - can't see how that might go wrong.

dusty
Nov 30, 2004

Binkenstein posted:

Business are taxed at 33%, so the TPP would need to see $75.75m in profit from new trade in order to offset this cost.

Using Fonterra as an example, because most of the New Trade will be dairy, obviously.

Dairy is to be excluded from the TPPA, benefits are more likely to accrue to meat and produce export.

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

The Japanese media had some leaked info on the drug patent stuff. Apparently the US wanted patents at 12 years before generics could be made, but have come down to 8 years.

Another sticking point still is the investor state tribunal poo poo, Australia is pushing really hard for various limitations and provisions in there. I'd imagine it's to protect or allow for the sort of thing they're doing to tobacco companies with their plain packaging.

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Binkenstein posted:

This $25m estimated increased cost to Pharmac each year, with the gracious offer from National to cover it from Taxpayer money, has me wondering how much the gross trade $ value will be for the Govt to see $25m in taxes.

Business are taxed at 33%, so the TPP would need to see $75.75m in profit from new trade in order to offset this cost.

Using Fonterra as an example, because most of the New Trade will be dairy, obviously. Looking at their 2014 financial statement they had $22,275m in revenue for the Group, and $13,243m for the Parent company for the year ended 31/7/2014, with profit of $179m & $167m respectively. That's a $346m profit on $35.5b of revenue, or 0.974%.

So for $75.75m in profit Fonterra would need to see a revenue increase of $7.77b. Even if we go with a 5% profit: revenue ratio, they'd still need $1.5b in revenue to generate $25m in tax. That's stupid.

Also: National realise that the ones who Pharmac helps most are the poor, right? It's a bit ironic for them to be cracking down on beneficiaries & those using state housing while offering to pay more for their health subsidies.

This would be true if Fonterra's company tax was the only way in which the Govt received revenue from Fonterra, which it isn't. Don't forget your net profit comes after you take out wages and so on, and there's PAYE and then the flow-on effect from your employee/supply chain spending as well.

Although also yea, Fonterra isn't going to get anything out of it and a bunch of the benefits they do get when milk prices go back up will immediately flow out of the country as they repay debt to foreign owned banks. Fun times.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



You have to be corrupt as gently caress, directly or indirectly, to even contemplate signing anything that allows your government to be sued by corporations for something as fundamental to its function as passing policy.


But since it's something that already exists across the world and the empirical data is that it has always turned out bad for the government and good for foreign corporations, recent history has shown that we will eagerly plunge our future selves' hand into that gom jabbar.

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

Ghostlight posted:

You have to be corrupt as gently caress, directly or indirectly, to even contemplate signing anything that allows your government to be sued by corporations for something as fundamental to its function as passing policy.

You know, I always assumed that the corporate-controlled cyberpocalypse was something that rose after a great war, not something brought in by a bullshit piece of hyper-secret legislation that right-wing governments would eagerly welcome.

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free
Reminder that Banks said that "Government owned anything is bad" because he's a raging fuckmagnet.

BuckyDoneGun
Nov 30, 2004
fat drunk
Hipster Pig, Hipster Pig, does whatever a Hipster Pig does!

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
The flag change referendum is just a distraction. Now, about that national anthem...

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



quote:

Opposition parties were "whinging" and making "backward-looking complaints", because they did not like Prime Minister John Key, English said.
Not a cult of personality.

bobbilljim
May 29, 2013

this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me
:shittydog::shittydog::shittydog:
To be honest guys I don't like Prime Minister John Key much either

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Ghostlight posted:

You have to be corrupt as gently caress, directly or indirectly, to even contemplate signing anything that allows your government to be sued by corporations for something as fundamental to its function as passing policy.


But since it's something that already exists across the world and the empirical data is that it has always turned out bad for the government and good for foreign corporations, recent history has shown that we will eagerly plunge our future selves' hand into that gom jabbar.

Just wanna chime in and say the gom jabbar is actually the needle at your neck.

Ghostlight posted:

Not a cult of personality.

Bill English has evidently completed his metamorphosis into a lamprey-like drone attached to JK's hindquarters, incapable of independent thought and devoid of individual personality. He now lives for the swarm.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Slavvy posted:

Bill English has evidently completed his metamorphosis into a lamprey-like drone attached to JK's hindquarters, incapable of independent thought and devoid of individual personality. He now lives for the swarm.

Are you suggesting he had a personality to begin with?

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free

Vagabundo posted:

Are you suggesting he had a personality to begin with?

"rear end in a top hat" is a personality.

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A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

English has always been a cardboard cutout.

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