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FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







icantfindaname posted:

It still has, in some places, semi-effective public sector unions protecting teachers and civil servants. Private sector unions are basically all dead and buried at this point, but the public sector ones still exist and warrant a nonstop crusade to completely destroy some of the last stable, pensioned jobs in the country

The Film industry is the most unionized in the country, and one of America's biggest exports.

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computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

LeeMajors posted:

My point is that we have managed to make only marginal gains in worker wages, protections, and rights in spite of the asymptotic increase in production and profits.

You're comparing a national context to a global context though.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

A Winner is Jew posted:

Him being an ex-spy there's a travel restriction placed on him when he gets out right? Like he can't just hop on a plane to Israel and live the good life until he dies?

If I remember right, Israel doesn't by and large give a poo poo about him anyway, absent fanatics like Kirschen. Didn't Kerry dangle the prospect of his release as an inducement towards a US-brokered ceasefire during the 2010 Gaza Clashes, only to have it be basically ignored?

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

A Winner is Jew posted:

Him being an ex-spy there's a travel restriction placed on him when he gets out right? Like he can't just hop on a plane to Israel and live the good life until he dies?

He has to stay in the US for 5 years after his release, then he can go wherever he likes. Personally, I hope that Obama commutes his sentence to time served and let's him go on to Israel ASAP. Watching him live the big life here and be feted as a hero by admirers would turn my stomach.

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
Is it normal to just lock up spies nowadays? I thought we gave em all the death penalty.

Is this guy an exception because Israel?

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

site posted:

Is it normal to just lock up spies nowadays? I thought we gave em all the death penalty.

Is this guy an exception because Israel?

Shooting spies out of hand is more a wartime thing. Generally you want to keep the other guy's spies on hand so you can exchange them for your own when they get caught, as was the common practice during the Cold War.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

JT Jag posted:

I wonder what Walker's response would be if he was asked about quality of life in Wisconsin plummeting ever since he took office.

"Gay marriage"

But I'd be interested in how they are demonstrating a loss of QoL and causally linking it to Walker. Not that I don't believe you, I'd just like to see it for my own edification.

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

site posted:

Is it normal to just lock up spies nowadays? I thought we gave em all the death penalty.

Is this guy an exception because Israel?

Foreign spies we just kick out or lock up until we have someone to exchange them for. Traitors are usually told that they're facing the death penalty but that we'll let them plead down to life without parole if they plead guilty and cooperate with intelligence agencies to help determine the extent of damage they've done and possibly expose other spies. Pollard is only getting out because he was sentenced under guidelines from the 1980's, these days he'd rot until he dies.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

hhhat posted:

I wanna know what the left sign says

"Scott Walker Lives Inside My Butt"

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

site posted:

Is it normal to just lock up spies nowadays? I thought we gave em all the death penalty.

Is this guy an exception because Israel?

I don't think the US has executed a spy since the Rosenbergs.

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

zoux posted:

"Gay marriage"

But I'd be interested in how they are demonstrating a loss of QoL and causally linking it to Walker. Not that I don't believe you, I'd just like to see it for my own edification.
From what I can find, Madison has one of the highest qualities of life of any city in the US, but there's a mass exodus from the rest of the state for a multitude of reasons, including weather but also (relevant for this discussion) a lack of jobs and disagreement with the current gubernatorial administration.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

JT Jag posted:

From what I can find, Madison has one of the highest qualities of life of any city in the US, but there's a mass exodus from the rest of the state for a multitude of reasons, including weather but also (relevant for this discussion) a lack of jobs and disagreement with the current gubernatorial administration.

Links man, links!

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

mcmagic posted:

30 years in jail is 30 years in jail. He's not a further danger to anyone. Who cares if he gets out.

It's not about him, it's about sending a message to everyone else who works in the intelligence community.

You can handle your foreign agents with counterintelligence. You can handle whistleblowers with robust oversight and aggressive internal affairs so thee is nothing to whistleblower on. But human greed is infinite, so you can't just pay your people well enough that they can't be bought. You need them to up the "risk" side of their "risk:reward" balance sheet.

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

zoux posted:

Links man, links!
From noted socialist rag the cap times, so you won't convince a Wisconsinite with this.

That said, the most recent state to state Census migration report seems to back it up.

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.

JT Jag posted:

From what I can find, Madison has one of the highest qualities of life of any city in the US, but there's a mass exodus from the rest of the state for a multitude of reasons, including weather but also (relevant for this discussion) a lack of jobs and disagreement with the current gubernatorial administration.

Madison is also a university town, and is facing a very uncertain future.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Fried Chicken posted:

It's not about him, it's about sending a message to everyone else who works in the intelligence community.

You can handle your foreign agents with counterintelligence. You can handle whistleblowers with robust oversight and aggressive internal affairs so thee is nothing to whistleblower on. But human greed is infinite, so you can't just pay your people well enough that they can't be bought. You need them to up the "risk" side of their "risk:reward" balance sheet.

People in the intelligence know that they won't be in for pleasantries if they are caught spying. 30 years in prison is plenty risk.

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

mcmagic posted:

People in the intelligence know that they won't be in for pleasantries if they are caught spying. 30 years in prison is plenty risk.

30 years in Leavenworth or an equivalent federal prison is poo poo to begin with, but I have to think that turning double agent against the US ranks really loving low on the prison pecking order as well.

Spun Dog
Sep 21, 2004


Smellrose

Radish posted:

Walker is absolute scum and I had no idea he had such a prominent bald spot.

Just wait till it spreads.

donoteat
Sep 13, 2011

Loot at all this bullshit.
Who lets something like this happen?
Bad cheesesteak orders were just the beginning...

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

I think it's hilarious that he couldn't even throw his own garbage away.

Voyager I
Jun 29, 2012

This is how your posting feels.
🐥🐥🐥🐥🐥
How is this man going to function on a debate stage without a handler whispering directly into his ear?

Can he even dress himself?

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

lol jeez he's like a little kid or something

a balding, gross-looking kid

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July
The Obama administration is about to announce that it will be running an experimental program to give Pell Grants to prisoners. Congress has banned such grants since 1994 but a loophole that Obama intends to use allows the President to grant them on a limited basis as part of experiments in education.

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

ComradeCosmobot posted:

The Obama administration is about to announce that it will be running an experimental program to give Pell Grants to prisoners. Congress has banned such grants since 1994 but a loophole that Obama intends to use allows the President to grant them on a limited basis as part of experiments in education.
How long until someone declares this to be a gross overreach in executive power?

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Zeroisanumber posted:

Foreign spies we just kick out or lock up until we have someone to exchange them for. Traitors are usually told that they're facing the death penalty but that we'll let them plead down to life without parole if they plead guilty and cooperate with intelligence agencies to help determine the extent of damage they've done and possibly expose other spies. Pollard is only getting out because he was sentenced under guidelines from the 1980's, these days he'd rot until he dies.

IIRC there wasn't any special guidelines, he plead guilty to get a lessor sentence but the sentencing judge got to see just what he handed over, told him to go gently caress himself and gave him life.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

mandatory lesbian posted:

lol jeez he's like a little kid or something

a balding, gross-looking kid

On the other hand, pandering through food based regionalism should be criminal.

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

Voyager I posted:

How is this man going to function on a debate stage without a handler whispering directly into his ear?

Can he even dress himself?

Debatable unless someone identified as "Charles Koch" is the guy on the other end of his earwig.

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

JT Jag posted:

How long until someone declares this to be a gross overreach in executive power?

It's Obama so I would be shocked if someone hasn't already said it since anything he's ever done has been a gross overreach in executive power.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Voyager I posted:

Can he even dress himself?

Honestly? I'm not so sure.

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

zoux posted:

On the other hand, pandering through food based regionalism should be criminal.

i happen to enjoy watching politicians eat corndogs, thank you very much

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July
Republicans are looking for a few good women.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

What happened to the binders?

Justus
Apr 18, 2006

...

Romney's got binders full of them! :j:

e: :argh:

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

zoux posted:

What happened to the binders?

They tried to get them in for a TV spot, but the Mainstream Media made it a three ring circus.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

mcmagic posted:

There is literally no reason why Trump winning the presidency would be any worse than any other republican candidate. In fact it would probably be better.

Agreed. And I'm 1000% serious. Everyone's talking about how Trump is a "joke" candidate and he's too "crazy" for the GOP, yet I see no reason that makes him any more of a joke than any other current Republican candidate. Hell, he's probably the only one in the lot who believes in evolution!

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

Mr Interweb posted:

Agreed. And I'm 1000% serious. Everyone's talking about how Trump is a "joke" candidate and he's too "crazy" for the GOP, yet I see no reason that makes him any more of a joke than any other current Republican candidate. Hell, he's probably the only one in the lot who believes in evolution!
The majority of America thinks that Trump is a joke for the same exact reason that a plurality of the Republican party currently loves him: his buffoonish dumb rich dude persona and track record.

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.

JT Jag posted:

The majority of America thinks that Trump is a joke for the same exact reason that a plurality of the Republican party currently loves him: his buffoonish dumb rich dude persona and track record.

Nate is calling him the Nickleback of candidates.

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

Nate is calling him the Nickleback of candidates.
A not-insignificant number of people with terrible taste love him, but even more people hate him, and there's really no in-between. Not a bad comparison.

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

Nate is calling him the Nickleback of candidates.

If anything Cruz should be the Nickleback of candidates.

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Feb 13, 2012

by exmarx
Nate also mentioned that Trump's currently at 47% favorable / 43% unfavorable with the GOP, which would be a decline from the last poll, yes?

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