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Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS

Comte de Saint-Germain posted:

One of mine :) I had to fight for them to not make the joke too obvious. At one point the wizard literally said "GOG is used to get rid of DRM"

EDIT: I think the book is too obvious still but, ah well
I missed the obvious GOG acronym but still got the, uhh, allegory anyway. Good stuff.

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Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.


I'm telling you guys that up those Skellige mountains are some sweet snowboarding spots. You have to break some rules and jump slide into normally unreachable areas but drat there are some sweet ramps up there.

somethingawful bf
Jun 17, 2005
Speaking of acronymns, it took me way too long to realize Uma = Ugliest Man Alive :downs:

Anti-Hero
Feb 26, 2004

Poetic Justice posted:

Speaking of acronymns, it took me way too long to realize Uma = Ugliest Man Alive :downs:

It was beat in to my head during one of those load cutscenes

"Uma, THE UGLIEST MAN ALIVE..."

somethingawful bf
Jun 17, 2005

Anti-Hero posted:

It was beat in to my head during one of those load cutscenes

"Uma, THE UGLIEST MAN ALIVE..."

I know! It was pretty obvious, I just for some reason didn't connect the two in my head.

chaosapiant
Oct 10, 2012

White Line Fever

Poetic Justice posted:

Speaking of acronymns, it took me way too long to realize Uma = Ugliest Man Alive :downs:

gently caress! I never even caught that! Because they beat on the fact that Uma was the only noise that thing could make, I never looked at it as an acronym! :aaaaa:

JetsGuy
Sep 17, 2003

science + hockey
=
LASER SKATES

Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

I missed the obvious GOG acronym but still got the, uhh, allegory anyway. Good stuff.

Yeah I had no idea what GOG was until y'all just discussed it.

I still got the gist of what it was saying. Great work.


Crappy Jack posted:

Also because I hadn't read the thread in a while, I, Crappy Jack, being of sound mind, do hereby release any legal claim to the idea of having Dandelion's narration in Witcher 4 get increasingly pissy and passive-aggressive if you don't do a sidequest to help him out, because that needs to happen when, and not if, you make Witcher 4. ;)

Yes this needs to happen. Dandelion needs to get increasingly whiny and downright insulting if you ignore him.

Hell, I'd pay $5 for DLC where he does it in THIS game.

"Then Geralt, who smelled like manure, decided in lieu of helping his friend, to run around the countryside collecting Gwent cards."

chaosapiant posted:

gently caress! I never even caught that! Because they beat on the fact that Uma was the only noise that thing could make, I never looked at it as an acronym! :aaaaa:

Yeah, I never picked up on that either.

chaosapiant
Oct 10, 2012

White Line Fever

Does anyone else have the sinking feeling that future games they were looking forward to will forever be eclipsed by W3? Because I do. The only games I'm looking forward to now are genre outliers like Persona 5 and maybe No Man's Sky. But Fallout 4? Forget it.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS

chaosapiant posted:

Does anyone else have the sinking feeling that future games they were looking forward to will forever be eclipsed by W3? Because I do. The only games I'm looking forward to now are genre outliers like Persona 5 and maybe No Man's Sky. But Fallout 4? Forget it.

Yeah I probably won't bother with any more Bethesday RPGs, especially given Obsidian isn't involved. I'm not impressed.

I've still never tried a persona game, it's unclear how much of the appeal is the dungeon crawling and how much is the high school stuff.

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xkkt5X_ydmI

Gotta sing along, yall

Spite
Jul 27, 2001

Small chance of that...
The skill system sucks in the end. You can only use a certain amount at once, but you will certainly have to waste points on poo poo you will never use in order to unlock other tiers. The vast majority of the skills are useless. The highest tier abilities are never worth it except for some in the alchemy tree. It doesn't feel very well designed.

Ugato
Apr 9, 2009

We're not?
I never made the connection either until the cutscene, but that cutscene usually happens right after you pick him up, right? You're in Velen traveling to Kaer Mohren immediately after.

Uma is probably my favorite example of detail though. The "conversation" you can have with him is great. And even though I knew the joke option, the delivery and tone was so perfect I had to hear the whole thing again. It's an excellent game and spots like that really hit home that a lot of care went into everything.

Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011

The more you kick against the pricks, the more you suffer.
It is absolutely worth exhausting all conversation options with Uma when you have an opportunity to speak to him.

:science:

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Spite posted:

The skill system sucks in the end. You can only use a certain amount at once, but you will certainly have to waste points on poo poo you will never use in order to unlock other tiers. The vast majority of the skills are useless. The highest tier abilities are never worth it except for some in the alchemy tree. It doesn't feel very well designed.
And Alchemy has a bunch of worthless skills, imo, in the middle part of the tree so you're powering through chaff to get to the actual good skills. Signs is 100% useless after the first two tiers, and Combat is just kind of generically there, passively improving stuff.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS
The alt signs are cool, sign intensity is boring but I grabbed it anyway because *big number*, the fifth tier seems bad universally. (I still took the Yrden one.)

10 Beers
May 21, 2005

Shit! I didn't bring a knife.

Okay, confirmed for XBone, it's only the info from previous AUTOSAVES that you lose if you start a new playthrough. I still have the info from my manual saves.

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll
Nap Ghost

Saladman posted:

About that Mysterious Elf...I was irritated when Eredin said Av'allach was betraying you, because that would have been so the stereotypical (and nonsensical) betrayal that like every single other fantasy game/book/movie does; I was pleasantly surprised when that wasn't the case. "This guy we telegraphed extensively that he was going to betray you? Oh he actually is all cool and helpful, and the evil elf king is just a liar trying to piss you off with his dying breath."

In many respects, Avallac'h did betray everyone by feigning some sort of benevolent altruism for Ciri or just out of opposition to Eredin. However, this is a not straightforward betrayal because I feel this is actually a betrayal by Ciri rather than Avallac'h. It's made clear that she wasn't pressured as much as made a conscious decision as naive as it might have been. What makes this a bit more stunning is how you realize then that all the pieces are right there and people said it halfway through the game that she can do it.

Eredin is very much an understandable, "modern" comic book style villain - they all seem to start with good intent but a bigger, secondary agenda takes over and buries the original point while crossing moral lines pretty clearly. It'd be an incredibly different scenario if Eredin came to Ciri in humility and diplomatically asked her to work with Avallac'h to save the world of the Aen Elle from the White Frost. But he's a bit of an rear end in a top hat because he is, after all, an egomaniac desperate for power enough to kill his own king. That and he clearly kills for sport basically.


I thought Uma got his name because he goes around saying "umamamama." Or did he start saying "uma" after people named him?

Anyone else feel like a horrible person when he was going through the Trial of Grasses? Felt like I was drowning a puppy and kitten at the same time

10 Beers
May 21, 2005

Shit! I didn't bring a knife.

Do we have any idea when we're getting New Game+? I started a new playthrough, but it seems kinda silly to do that if we're gonna get NG+ pretty soon.

Cloud the Cat
Apr 21, 2010

I kind of wish we could fight as Ciri more at the end, she kicks rear end and it was a heap of fun beating up the head navigator guy while killing everyone else in one shot

Crappy Jack
Nov 21, 2005

We got some serious shit to discuss.

10 Beers posted:

Do we have any idea when we're getting New Game+? I started a new playthrough, but it seems kinda silly to do that if we're gonna get NG+ pretty soon.

They've said "Soon, but not this week". So, basically, When It's Done.

OAquinas
Jan 27, 2008

Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.

necrobobsledder posted:

In many respects, Avallac'h did betray everyone by feigning some sort of benevolent altruism for Ciri or just out of opposition to Eredin. However, this is a not straightforward betrayal because I feel this is actually a betrayal by Ciri rather than Avallac'h. It's made clear that she wasn't pressured as much as made a conscious decision as naive as it might have been. What makes this a bit more stunning is how you realize then that all the pieces are right there and people said it halfway through the game that she can do it.

Eredin is very much an understandable, "modern" comic book style villain - they all seem to start with good intent but a bigger, secondary agenda takes over and buries the original point while crossing moral lines pretty clearly. It'd be an incredibly different scenario if Eredin came to Ciri in humility and diplomatically asked her to work with Avallac'h to save the world of the Aen Elle from the White Frost. But he's a bit of an rear end in a top hat because he is, after all, an egomaniac desperate for power enough to kill his own king. That and he clearly kills for sport basically.


I thought Uma got his name because he goes around saying "umamamama." Or did he start saying "uma" after people named him?

Anyone else feel like a horrible person when he was going through the Trial of Grasses? Felt like I was drowning a puppy and kitten at the same time

That's the point of the trial. 70% of the people who have it applied die horribly. It's massively invasive and alters you at the genetic level--which means that at any given time most of your body would consider the rest of itself as "foreign" and try to reject it. If you survive you have superhuman abilities, but every single witcher regards the process as cruel and traumatic beyond the pale--even those that want to continue the schools.

Also, in the books Eredin was trying to reclaim the world-hopping power through getting Ciri with child, or failing that trying to keep her in Tir na Lia. The poison that he slipped the king? Basically super-viagra that he couldn't handle.

JetsGuy
Sep 17, 2003

science + hockey
=
LASER SKATES

OAquinas posted:

That's the point of the trial. 70% of the people who have it applied die horribly. It's massively invasive and alters you at the genetic level--which means that at any given time most of your body would consider the rest of itself as "foreign" and try to reject it. If you survive you have superhuman abilities, but every single witcher regards the process as cruel and traumatic beyond the pale--even those that want to continue the schools.

The reactions of the 4 Witchers during that scene really loving sold it. Even they were like "holy gently caress I hoped I'd never have to see this again"

Ugato
Apr 9, 2009

We're not?

necrobobsledder posted:


I thought Uma got his name because he goes around saying "umamamama."

They say that clearly when you first see him during the baron quests. That's the only thing I didn't like about it becoming/being an acronym. Couldn't roll my eyes hard enough at Dandelion saying "...Uma, the Ugliest Man Alive..."

JetsGuy
Sep 17, 2003

science + hockey
=
LASER SKATES
Witcher 2:
So was I supposed to be able to kill all the Scioa'tel defending Roche and Triss after just meeting Ioverth? Because I am playing on Normal and had to basically resort to handing out at the very front of the shield and just doing as best I could. I don't even have a silver sword and I've got like 4-5 contracts. I guess I'm supposed to craft one from the diagram I have...

Stupid dragon taking my sword. :mad:

OAquinas
Jan 27, 2008

Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.

JetsGuy posted:

Witcher 2:
So was I supposed to be able to kill all the Scioa'tel defending Roche and Triss after just meeting Ioverth? Because I am playing on Normal and had to basically resort to handing out at the very front of the shield and just doing as best I could. I don't even have a silver sword and I've got like 4-5 contracts. I guess I'm supposed to craft one from the diagram I have...

Stupid dragon taking my sword. :mad:

That part's just a "survive" mechanic--kill what you can until you reach flotsam. Make sure you stay inside the bubble for a nice perk, and don't forget to go back and pick up any loot to sell later!

As for the sword, yeah, you need to craft or buy one. If you imported you'd probably have a cool sword to replace the generic one immediately though.

JetsGuy
Sep 17, 2003

science + hockey
=
LASER SKATES

OAquinas posted:

That part's just a "survive" mechanic--kill what you can until you reach flotsam. Make sure you stay inside the bubble for a nice perk, and don't forget to go back and pick up any loot to sell later!

As for the sword, yeah, you need to craft or buy one. If you imported you'd probably have a cool sword to replace the generic one immediately though.

Nope. I don't even know if I can get through this... the mechanics are just so much different. It's gonna be a side-game for sure until I do get through it.

Also, the stupid mac recognizes all buttons on my DS4 except the D-pad, meaning I p much have to use the KB/M, which is kinda weird for me after PS4 W3.'

EDIT:
To be fair, a lot of it seems to be my mac just seems very bad at playing it. It's just very jittery even at low and mouse sensitivity is 0 = nothing and 1 = A MILLION DEGREES PER MM.

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010

Anti-Hero posted:

It was beat in to my head during one of those load cutscenes

"Uma, THE UGLIEST MAN ALIVE..."

I'm don't think Uma is an acronym for that... I think you're finding patterns in noise. CDPR is not an anglophone developer, and Uma has the same name in other languages of the Witcher (unlike many other characters, e.g. Ves --> Cyn, or Roach --> Ablette). E: Maybe the person doing the English writing for Dandelion ("Jaskier") thought it would be clever, but I doubt it was intended from the start.

Saladman fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Jul 29, 2015

Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.


Yeah Uma has the same name in the Polish version and it's not an acronym for what translates into "ugliest man alive". However I could believe that this is how they came up with the name as the writers are fluent in English.

Beeez
May 28, 2012
Alright, *Spoilers For Early in the Game* I did "Family Matters" up until the part where you learn Anna went missing and Tamara is in Oxenfurt, then I did "Wandering in the Dark". I know that the Ladies of the Wood have something to do with the Baron's wife, but should I go to Oxenfurt first or Crookback Bog? I guess I'm just wondering which way makes more sense, as it's sort of looking like I was supposed to do the Keira Metz stuff before I did the Bloody Baron stuff, judging from Dandelion's narration. Not sure if that even needed to be spoilered, but better safe than sorry.

tyrelhill
Jul 30, 2006
I think you have to do both before you can continue.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

OAquinas posted:

That's the point of the trial. 70% of the people who have it applied die horribly. It's massively invasive and alters you at the genetic level--which means that at any given time most of your body would consider the rest of itself as "foreign" and try to reject it. If you survive you have superhuman abilities, but every single witcher regards the process as cruel and traumatic beyond the pale--even those that want to continue the schools.

Between Yennefer's description and Triss's explanation from the last game, it looks like the Trial of the Grasses consists of giving a young child ALL THE CANCER and then having a sorceress blast the cells with magic until they become helpful mutations instead of malign tumors. Those potions probably jack up cell division to an insane degree.

The whole witcher situation is among the most depressing bits of the game's lore. The way witchers are created is pretty horrific even if most of the candidates came from an ever-growing pool of orphaned peasant children, and the world at large hates and fears witchers, but I wonder how fast they'll change their tune once witchers finally all die off and all the other monsters impolitely decide to hang around. The Wolf School's hanging on by a thread, Bear's extinct, Griffin's extinct, Viper's extinct (except for Letho if you save him), Cat can't die off fast enough. The secrets behind the Trial of the Grasses are lost and not likely to be found again with all the witch hunts going on. Geralt and others go on about how witchers are just one more relic of a lost and simpler age, but I don't think all the katakans and fiends and werewolves and loving drowners got that memo because they're still eating people like there's no tomorrow.

Snak
Oct 10, 2005

I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.
Grimey Drawer
It doesn't matter though, because the "age of civilization" is coming. Even if Nilfgaard doesn't fully conquer the rest of the world, monsters will soon be systematically dealt with by organized armies. Witchers and Sorceresses and Mages will fade away, and monsters will be exterminated as the world moves into the industrial age.

JoshTheStampede
Sep 8, 2004

come at me bro
The whole "witchers are dying out but whatever we don't need them much longer anyway" is why I consider Witcher 3 to be Red Dead Redemption 2. :colbert:

Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again

JoshTheStampede posted:

The whole "witchers are dying out but whatever we don't need them much longer anyway" is why I consider Witcher 3 to be Red Dead Redemption 2. :colbert:

Witcher 3 is my favorite western/samurai/jedi/detective game ever.

The Sharmat
Sep 5, 2011

by Lowtax
Avallac'h spoilers As has been said, he does betray Ciri and Geralt. His reasons seem noble enough but he feigned friendship for Ciri as added insurance to manipulate her into doing what he wants, and he betrayed Geralt by convincing Ciri to do it, when Geralt doesn't give the slightest poo poo about the White Frost.

Also in the books he tried to blackmail Ciri into being an incubator or the King of the Aen Elle's heir and he has a creepy obsession with her because she has Lara Dorren's face. So yeah, Avallac'h is a prick. He just doesn't want the multiverse destroyed. Why would he?

Ciri was almost certainly already planning to potentially sacrifice herself to stop the White Frost behind Geralt's back since before the game started, once they got a chance. That's why she's so upset at Avallac'h's lab when he finds out a bit more about what Avallac'h actually thinks of her, or at least what he says to his concubine.


The White Frost The Wild Hunt never controlled it. Travelling through the entropic nowhere universe it's evidently emanating from is just basic to how they travel between worlds. It also means they can use it as an indirect weapon by just opening a doorway and let it flood the area, which they do multiple times in the game.

Cloud the Cat posted:

I kind of wish we could fight as Ciri more at the end, she kicks rear end and it was a heap of fun beating up the head navigator guy while killing everyone else in one shot

Endgame spoiler: I would be shocked if there's not eventually a sequel with Ciri as the main character. Though obviously, that won't involve one-hit kills everywhere.

Randler posted:

So fan translation question, is it at least accurate regarding the ending of The Lady of the Lake? Because from the fan translation it doesn't really sound like Geralt and Yennefer were ever really dead, meaning there was no ambiguity to their fate in that regard.

Slowly working myself through the German translations right now.

Can't tell you because I can't read Polish, but I will say that from my personal experience reading the fan translation of Sword of Destiny years ago vs. reading the official translation this year, a ton is lost in them and it's very easy to come away with the wrong impression.

420 Gank Mid
Dec 26, 2008

WARNING: This poster is a huge bitch!

Randler posted:

So fan translation question, is it at least accurate regarding the ending of The Lady of the Lake? Because from the fan translation it doesn't really sound like Geralt and Yennefer were ever really dead, meaning there was no ambiguity to their fate in that regard.

Slowly working myself through the German translations right now.

The epilogue is the same framing device as the prologue, where Ciri is telling her story to the Arthurian Knight who found her bathing in the forest at the start. It's meant to have Ciri as a somewhat unreliable narrator

Beeez
May 28, 2012

JoshTheStampede posted:

The whole "witchers are dying out but whatever we don't need them much longer anyway" is why I consider Witcher 3 to be Red Dead Redemption 2. :colbert:

I first became interested in this game because it kinda looked like Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire meets Red Dead Redemption, and while that's not 100% accurate I definitely still get those vibes all the time while I'm playing it.

Helith
Nov 5, 2009

Basket of Adorables


Discussion on Geralt and Yennefers fate in the books.
I think of Geralt and Yennefers fate as being like Schroedingers cat with the Isle of Avalon being the box. It's quantum and depends on how you look at it whether they're dead or alive there. CDPR had the wild hunt open the box, and hey, they're alive!

It's been a while since I read the last book and I only have the fan translation myself. I'm currently reading Baptism of Fire. Maybe someone who's read the original Polish version could comment on it.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


chaosapiant posted:

Does anyone else have the sinking feeling that future games they were looking forward to will forever be eclipsed by W3? Because I do. The only games I'm looking forward to now are genre outliers like Persona 5 and maybe No Man's Sky. But Fallout 4? Forget it.
Cyberpunk 2077 is in development.

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The Sharmat
Sep 5, 2011

by Lowtax
Book spoilers I guess The game canon seems to be that Geralt and Yennefer literally died there but Ciri brought them back to life and gave them their own little pocket dimension to be together on using Elder Blood and Unicorn bullshit.

Edit: Do we really have to use spoiler tags for this? It happens in books that were published everywhere but the Anglosphere 15 years ago, and is spoiled in the prologue of TW2.

The Sharmat fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Jul 29, 2015

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