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Hbomberguy posted:What if the Terminator was a dog that barked lazers? Because that would make too much money. Film would implode on itself.
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Terminator-based video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qek2AIfV34
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Jul 27, 2015 12:50
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They should make it like Trancers where time travel means you take deugs so that your concsiousness leaves your body and you possess the body of one of your ancestors in the past.
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Jul 27, 2015 12:57
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Hbomberguy posted:What if the Terminator was a dog that barked lazers? 
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Jul 27, 2015 12:58
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Well poo poo. That's better than mine. 
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Jul 27, 2015 13:07
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No joke, I was thinking of that exact gif when I wrote that. "My dogmeat barks Wazers" is based on a fake FO3 myth that if you give dogmeat the custom 'wazer wifle' he can equip and use it. I think someone ended up making that as a mod. Also CeltPred that's a radical pun you have there
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Jul 27, 2015 16:13
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Hey man, we're just discussing alternative versions of terminator. What if Terminator was a good guy and he ran for state senator? How would that impact canon? What if...a facehugger got the terminator? Is there Xenonator fanart yet? What if Cyberdyne got bought out...by weyland-yutani?? I'm so #creative
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Jul 27, 2015 17:16
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quote:What if Terminator was a good guy and he ran for state senator? How would that impact canon? Just think, they could have gone for the easy joke in Genisys and said Pops literally became the Governator instead of a construction worker.
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Jul 27, 2015 17:34
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Hbomberguy posted:Hey man, we're just discussing alternative versions of terminator.  Also the state senator idea kinda sorta happened in the Sarah Connor Chronicles TV series. A Terminator goes back in time to like the 1930s or something and sets itself up as a business magnate. And the xenonator idea happens in the Aliens vs Predator vs Terminator comics. It was a bad comic, and this is coming from a guy with no standards and a perpetual hardon for all things Aliens/Predator/Terminator. Xenomrph fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Jul 27, 2015 |
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Jul 27, 2015 17:36
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Hbomberguy posted:What if Terminator was a good guy and he ran for state senator? How would that impact canon? Have him run for President and you've basically got Season 7 of Supernatural.
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Jul 27, 2015 17:36
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Xenomrph posted:And the xenonator idea happens in the Aliens vs Predator vs Terminator comics. It was a bad comic, and this is coming from a guy with no standards and a perpetual hardon for all things Aliens/Predator/Terminator. That whole comic was a mess and I couldn't figure out what the whole point was. Did they ever do an Aliens/Term or Pred/Term comic? That being said, I think you COULD do Aliens/Terminator or Predator/Terminator comic that could work first. Skynet discovers some facehugger egg and use Aliens as a bioweapon for destroying the Resistance. Predators show up on Earth to hunt human prey and discover they've walked into a war with the machines and need to fight their way back to their ship to keep it out of Skynet hands.
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RBA Starblade posted:Just think, they could have gone for the easy joke in Genisys and said Pops literally became the Governator instead of a construction worker.
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Jul 27, 2015 21:49
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JediTalentAgent posted:That whole comic was a mess and I couldn't figure out what the whole point was. Did they ever do an Aliens/Term or Pred/Term comic? I can even picture how the last panel would play out, it's really obvious. Predator mounts an endoskeleton skull on the trophy wall as the ship leaves earth On the topic of Aliens/Terminator, I'd kicked around an idea for Terminator vs The Thing (like, the Carpenter movie), mostly based on the imagery of a Terminator learning the hard way that the cloned skin it's "wearing" is actually a Thing, and it Thinging-out and trying to kill the endoskeleton.
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Jul 27, 2015 22:49
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As long as we're allowed to post stupid ideas by the Thread Thought Police, you could totally do a crossover with The Fly too (have the merge happen during the time displacement). Presumably bugs are still around in Laser Future since they would be impossible eradicate without killing all humans (outside of pseudo-biblical catastrophes like The Road, anyway). Terminators walking on the ceiling and melting people!! I would give one or maybe even two thoughts about buying that comic if it was on sale for next to nothing!!!
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Jul 27, 2015 23:02
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Xenomrph posted:I can even picture how the last panel would play out, it's really obvious. Predator mounts an endoskeleton skull on the trophy wall as the ship leaves earth Alternate ending: One of the Predators that goes back into space has glowing red eyes.
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Jul 28, 2015 06:04
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8c_eH81o8I Edit: Didn't realize it was posted already. 
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Jul 28, 2015 06:10
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Should WWE Pictures be put in charge of the Terminator franchise, because that actually looked/felt exactly to what it was trying to homage.
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Jul 28, 2015 06:14
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JediTalentAgent posted:Should WWE Pictures be put in charge of the Terminator franchise, because that actually looked/felt exactly to what it was trying to homage.
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Jul 28, 2015 07:13
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What if Bill Paxton and his punk friends at the beginning of Terminator 1 kicked the poo poo out of the Terminator, because the Terminator is only used to deal with fatigued post-nuclear war pushovers?JediTalentAgent posted:Should WWE Pictures be put in charge of the Terminator franchise, because that actually looked/felt exactly to what it was trying to homage. Triple H, the new god of ridiculous and awesome entrances, has had a Terminator-themed entrance this year at Wrestlemania. Can't post videos right now but it's pretty awesome. And ridiculous. edit: Screw my boss, found something better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qek2AIfV34 Grendels Dad fucked around with this message at 09:33 on Jul 28, 2015 |
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Jul 28, 2015 09:30
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This is only tangential to the Terminator series itself, but I think I figured out how to well and truly short out discussion of the physics of time travel. Normally, we think of time travel as being essentially movement along only a fourth temporal dimension to the same point in three-dimensional space. But that isn't how space works. The Earth, the solar system, and galaxy are constantly moving. The local group of galaxies is moving at 600 kilometers per second. I really just want an excuse to share this thought.
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Jul 28, 2015 23:31
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Hodgepodge posted:This is only tangential to the Terminator series itself, but I think I figured out how to well and truly short out discussion of the physics of time travel. What if... you could travel through space without moving in time?!? makes u think
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Hodgepodge posted:This is only tangential to the Terminator series itself, but I think I figured out how to well and truly short out discussion of the physics of time travel. wow how original
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WarLocke posted:What if... you could travel through space without moving in time?!? Wouldn't that just make you The Flash?
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Jul 29, 2015 09:53
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I travelled back in time to yesterday and immediately died in the vaccuum of space.
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Jul 29, 2015 10:02
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WarLocke posted:What if... you could travel through space without moving in time?!?
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Jul 29, 2015 10:09
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A better question is how they deal with swapping out the present and future particles. All the molecules the atoms that make up a thing, like the Terminator or a human body already exist in the present as well as the future. When the atoms from 2029 arrive in 1984 you end up adding to the total mass of the universe, you have duplicates of the Terminator's particles. The ore that makes up its skeleton still exists in the mine or wherever, as well as being part of the individual walking around L.A. Now, the series does talk about using displacement, but you're not doing a one for one swap of atoms there, just changing out a same sized spherical area, but even then, it doesn't take into account swapping the same amount of mass, let alone the same particles as from the future.
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Jul 29, 2015 12:30
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Assuming the time travel is happening in one timeline, couldn't you say that the "too many" particles arriving in 1984 is balanced out by the particles leaving in 2029? Alternately, perhaps that's what the electricity all over the place is when a time traveler arrives, it's matter being converted into energy?
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Xenomrph posted:Assuming the time travel is happening in one timeline, couldn't you say that the "too many" particles arriving in 1984 is balanced out by the particles leaving in 2029? It's not just a matter of swapping particles 1:1, it's having the same two particles in the same place at the same time. I suppose all the electricity could be explained as some kind of hoodoo to balance things out.
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Jul 29, 2015 12:57
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Don't they call it a time displacement device or something at one point?quote:I travelled back in time to yesterday and immediately died in the vaccuum of space. RIP in peace Hbomberguy. 
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Jul 29, 2015 13:00
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Armyman25 posted:It's not just a matter of swapping particles 1:1, it's having the same two particles in the same place at the same time. I suppose all the electricity could be explained as some kind of hoodoo to balance things out.
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Jul 29, 2015 13:11
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Xenomrph posted:Assuming the time travel is happening in one timeline, couldn't you say that the "too many" particles arriving in 1984 is balanced out by the particles leaving in 2029? Yeah I've seen the rule that "no energy/mass can be created or destroyed" being used as an argument against time travel, along with stuff about how entropy can only ever increase in closed systems. (Indeed black holes posed a problem because information/ordered systems could seemingly be "lost" and reduce the amount of entropy in the universe... Stephen Hawking got his nobel prize for coming up with "Hawking Radiation" which solved this.) But if you consider all of the past and all of the future to be "the universe", then the universe is still a closed system, things are free to relocate within it. You could temporarily get more mass in one time, but that is balanced by the disappearance of mass in the time it came from. The total amount of mass in the whole existence of the universe doesn't change. Of course, things get tricky is if you are able to change the past, and make it so that the time traveller never time travels in the first place. According to Terminator rules (all the movies and the tv series), the time traveller doesn't fade away Back to the Future style, they stay in existence. The time traveller could end up meeting their alternate, non-time travelling self. The universe would have slightly more mass than it was originally meant to have. I don't think that is actually a problem, though. Sure, normally matter can't be created or destroyed, but I don't think the universe actually cares if the total mass in the universe is increased by the weight of a couple of people. You'd have to be time travelling entire planets or stars or galaxies before it started to have any impact on anything. That reminds me of the plot of the little-known videogame RPG "Anachronox". The evil aliens are creating portals to suck planets from our universe and dump them into the previous universe that existed before ours. (According to the Big Bang/Big Crunch theory where the universe repeatedly expands and collapses.) Their plan is to reduce the mass of our universe enough so that it never has a big crunch, so they can erase the enemies who live in the universe that comes after ours. Pretty imaginative.
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Jul 29, 2015 13:23
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I did caveat my idea with "assuming there's one timeline" because off the top of my head I wasn't sure how to resolve the problem if "mass" is jumping from one timeline to another. The Terminator series does have multiple timelines.  I guess you could hand wave it the same way you did, that "the universe" somehow encompasses "the multiverse that is made of multiple timelines".
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Jul 29, 2015 13:38
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It's actually been shown already that very very small amounts of matter can come into existence (or disappear) as long as it goes back not long after.
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Xenomrph posted:The Terminator series does have multiple timelines. Genesis seems to indicate that there's only the one timeline, since Kyle gets sent back to '84 but everything is changed because there's already terminators and poo poo around years before that. If it was multiple/branching timelines then Pops and the 'early T-1000' would have been shunted off into their own timelines when they were sent back, but instead everyone ends up in the same one. e: Unless you go with some wacky branching tree timeline where going forward adds branches but going back consolidates them, so you have multiple different futures ending up in one shared 'root' but that would quickly get insane with like hundreds of T-800s showing up in '84 and oww my head...
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WarLocke posted:Genesis seems to indicate that there's only the one timeline, since Kyle gets sent back to '84 but everything is changed because there's already terminators and poo poo around years before that. I'm actually giving serious thought to doing a YouTube video series about it, just for chuckles. It would go movie by movie, looking at what evidence is presented as to how time travel and branching timelines works within the Terminator series, and then visually map out the path the narrative shows us as it hops between branches.
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Jul 29, 2015 17:17
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Xenomrph posted:Yeah, I see it as branching timelines, which allows for things like T3 and the TV show to coexist. It's already been done. 
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Jul 29, 2015 17:23
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Yeah but they got it wrong 
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Jul 29, 2015 17:46
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Did anyone notice the time machine looked nothing like the pictures from that guys fan fiction?
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