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Slime posted:The Matrix being run on human brains made into a supercomputer would have been pretty interesting. It would even have provided a big fat reason for Neo to have gotten superpowers. He would have been computer hardware that had started rebelling and messing around with the very simulation it was being forced to run. Just like Agent Smith! Though I guess he's software.
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Grendels Dad posted:Basically, machines are goons. The sentinels were cutting open the Nebuchadnezzar to help Trinity install a printer
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If they went with using brains to run the Matrix we'd all be bitching about them going with the "We only use 10% of our brains!"-cliche they'd probably include.
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Zaphod42 posted:The whole "human beings as batteries" plot is straight stupid, but that's a rationally irritating moment, everybody agrees that's dumb. What kills me there though is how easy it is to fix that plot hole. There's so many things that would make sense as motivation for the robots to enslave humans other than as an energy source. EmmyOk posted:It may have been this thread that someone suggested a better solution than energy which was using the human brains as components in a super computer. You don't say?  Like I said, that's a better solution than the movie's plot, but it still doesn't really work. I like my solution better.BigPaddy posted:Use the cows, they will give off more heat and all that. The only reason I can think of is that by the time humanity surrendered the whole planet was turned into a blasted wasteland anyway so no cattle. We don't know how long it was between that and the scorching of the sky that would gently caress all agriculture pretty hard. No they do not. There is no living organism which gives out more energy than it takes in. In order to grow cows you'd need sunlight to make grass, in the matrix there is no sunlight. The electricity cost of generating artificial light to grow grass to raise the cows would be greater than all the heat and methane the cows put out. Its thermodynamics dude. It just doesn't loving work that way. If the machines have nuclear generators to make artificial light to grow grass to feed cows to use the cow heat, they'd be better off just running themselves off the nuclear power. There is no energy formula which is made more efficient by adding cows in the middle, or any living thing. That's entropy. Yeah "why don't the machines go to space" is a great plot hole, good catch. Again though, if the machines are trying to protect us by caging us in the matrix (my solution) it all works. You could even say they've been to space, but they stay on the earth too so they can 'tend' to Humans, as was their programming. Grendels Dad posted:Humans once created the machines and the machines wanted to maintain some kind of relationship with their creators, even if it's a creepy one. Maybe there even are machines that think they are doing the humans a favor? Basically, machines are goons. Yeah that's literally what I suggested already. We program machines to protect humanity, we don't forsee that means machines calculate human free will is a detriment to our own survival, machines enslave us in virtual world where we get to feel like we have free will but we don't actually. Its the perfect "be careful what you wish for" moral tale, and it goes into the whole "technology can be dangerous in ways you don't forsee" dystopian sci-fi thing too. Zaphod42 has a new favorite as of 16:21 on Jul 30, 2015 |
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Jul 30, 2015 16:15
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Zaphod42 posted:Yeah "why don't the machines go to space" is a great plot hole, good catch. Sometimes they went to space, but they needed a pilot to do it.
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Jul 30, 2015 16:35
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Nth Doctor posted:Sometimes they went to space, but they needed a pilot to do it. Man, that's loving brilliant. Thanks for the link. I actually wrote a kinda similar short story once (after seeing the matrix) but obviously Gaiman is an infinitely better writer than I am. (The idea I tooled around with was of The Matrix as a benign program to help coma patients work out their brain damage, and 'agents' would be sent into their coma virtual reality to 'kill' them to wake them up and return them to reality, but since those in the matrix didn't understand they fought against it. Sorta half matrix and half inception, and this was before inception! Eat your heart out Nolan!) Zaphod42 has a new favorite as of 16:50 on Jul 30, 2015 |
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Jul 30, 2015 16:48
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Zaphod42 posted:Man, that's loving brilliant. Thanks for the link. Problem is that in the Animatrix you see the machines specifically experimenting on humans to create the matrix. While the idea of them thinking they are helping in an iRobot kind of way is interesting the interactions between machines and Neo would lead me to believe that. Why would the Architect antagonist Neo when explaining the whole scheme if it was about sustaining their creators rather than a gently caress you need power scenario?
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dirksteadfast posted:Breaking Bad did this too if I remember correctly. It's visual shorthand for "this is a different country than where we were before". I think the visual shorthand of "we're looking at a different place now" is well done in Game of Thrones, and kinda necessary considering how many different places you see during every episode. The more north you go, the more cool and desaturated everything gets, and the more south you go, the more saturated and warm everything gets. North of the Wall scenes are blue, Winterfell scenes are gray, King's Landing is lightly orange-tinted, Dorne is bright and richly colored, Daenerys' scenes across the sea are yellowish and blown-out (like a desert), but still pretty color-saturated.
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BigPaddy posted:Problem is that in the Animatrix you see the machines specifically experimenting on humans to create the matrix. While the idea of them thinking they are helping in an iRobot kind of way is interesting the interactions between machines and Neo would lead me to believe that. Why would the Architect antagonist Neo when explaining the whole scheme if it was about sustaining their creators rather than a gently caress you need power scenario? I'm not arguing that's what the plot was; the plot was obviously batteries. I'm saying that's what the plot should have been instead. As for the architect, I think we can all agree that Matrix 2 and matrix 3 were straight stupid and poo poo all over matrix 1's good science fiction, even if 2 had some okay action scenes. I wouldn't attempt to defend the plot of 2 or 3 in any way, and there's much bigger problems than just "what the gently caress architect". Like... literally everything that happened in 3.
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The past is always either black and white or seen through a bucket of piss.
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AlbieQuirky posted:The past is always either black and white or seen through a bucket of piss. Don't forget the flashback dissolve! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_76RK_5bBs
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Nth Doctor posted:Sometimes they went to space, but they needed a pilot to do it. "Why wouldn't they just send a bad rear end robot pilot?" "Because... drama"
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Zaphod42 posted:I'm not arguing that's what the plot was; the plot was obviously batteries. I'm saying that's what the plot should have been instead. 1 was so good, I was willing to look past the bad science and plot holes. The others were hot garbage.
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Jul 30, 2015 18:17
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Grendels Dad posted:If you're in the Matrix, you basically post on the Internet all the time. And everything you see, hear and feel is Internet posts. Makes you think.
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Here's a good version of the Matrix sequels that cuts everything to do with Zion: http://fanedit.org/ifdb/component/content/article/79-fanedit-database/fanfix/211-matrix-dezionized-the
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Tiggum posted:So how would that be any different from my actual life?
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QUACKTASTIC posted:Here's a good version of the Matrix sequels that cuts everything to do with Zion: Oh poo poo I gotta go find this. I just finished downloading the star wars de-specialized version and its pretty legit.
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:The sentinels were cutting open the Nebuchadnezzar to help Trinity install a printer Too bad they could never be The One.
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Inzombiac posted:It super obvious but I liked that when they showed inside the Matrix it was green and the real world was blue. The highway scenes in Matrix 2 would have been a lot better without the stupid green filter making it all look lovely.
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BigPaddy posted:Problem is that in the Animatrix you see the machines specifically experimenting on humans to create the matrix. While the idea of them thinking they are helping in an iRobot kind of way is interesting the interactions between machines and Neo would lead me to believe that. Why would the Architect antagonist Neo when explaining the whole scheme if it was about sustaining their creators rather than a gently caress you need power scenario? Bigger picture, man. The machines could be interested in the preservation of the human race but still be annoyed with having to deal with individual humans' poo poo. I read the Architect of being mostly tired of explaining this thing to Neos over and over again. Similarly, the people we see experimented on in the Animatrix short to create the Matrix are just the eggs that needed breaking to make the omelet. It's all for the Greater Good.
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1. theres only one matrix movie 2. morpheus is an idiot there, everything makes sense
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Zaphod42 posted:(The idea I tooled around with was of The Matrix as a benign program to help coma patients work out their brain damage, and 'agents' would be sent into their coma virtual reality to 'kill' them to wake them up and return them to reality, but since those in the matrix didn't understand they fought against it. Sorta half matrix and half inception, and this was before inception! Eat your heart out Nolan!) That's also pretty similar to the plot of Abre Los Ojos (remade as Vanilla Sky).
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It was just a little thing but I was kind of annoyed by the Halo product placement in the new Mission Impossible movie. It had nothing to do with anything, just Halo 5 exists.
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Snapchat A Titty posted:1. theres only one matrix movie If only 1 were true. 2 is certainly true. Rewatched Transcendence over the weekend and it just strikes me as a plot with potential that is just thrown away to make a generic "Grr computers are bad grr" film but what it really comes across as is a "Humans are dumb as gently caress and scared of everything that is better than them" film. The only thing that Sky Depp does that might make you question it's motives is the whole networking of those it heals and taking them over. That is questionable but no more so than the FBI and Army joining with a group of domestic terrorists to fight a machine that thus far as minded it's own business out in the desert and researched ways to unfuck the planet and heal pretty much any illness or disability. OK Hollywood I get it, you are scared of technology and hang on to the concept that some how humanity is a special snowflake and machines that could rule or replace us are bad. I am sure that if you take any of the proto homosapien species and replaced machines with us they would have the same argument. If you could use some forward thinking and imagination then Transcendence could of had a vibe to it like Deus Ex with the whole "If there was no god then we would need to create one" ending. Instead we got Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines where humanity wins, for people who don't like action films. On a similar subject of why does the "good" guy always have to win in Hollywood, Law Abiding Citizen. Good movie right up until the end where a bunch of BS is thrown together to thwart the bad guy who has up until a chance discovery been at least 5 steps ahead at all times. Why did he have to lose? Why could he not have won the game and proven that the law is an rear end? If you had some how beaten him in a more satisfying way I would be ok but it was just so badly handled when it was so close to making an actual point. Which is probably the reason why it didn't because hey the general public want the bad guy to lose all the time even at the cost of telling a story. In a similar vein Knowing with Nick Cage. A film the producers admitted they could not get made in Hollywood because humanity gets hosed. Why is that a problem? For the story to work humanity needs to get dutch ovened by the sun else it makes no sense. It is a story about how we know so very little about the universe and an unknown group with unknown motives and knowledge save a small group of humans that show potential in a way that we don't really understand. How do they know the future? Why are they interested in us or at least those with some kind of extra perception? Was this all setup as some kind of evolutionary laboratory in a way earth in Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy was? None of these questions are answered and the film is stronger for it. It is ok Hollywood, you can tell a story where we all get to bite the curb as the nazi boot of reality stomps down as long as the story is good and we are entertained. BigPaddy has a new favorite as of 15:21 on Aug 3, 2015 |
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BigPaddy posted:On a similar subject of why does the "good" guy always have to win in Hollywood, Law Abiding Citizen. Good movie right up until the end where a bunch of BS is thrown together to thwart the bad guy who has up until a chance discovery been at least 5 steps ahead at all times. Why did he have to lose? Why could he not have won the game and proven that the law is an rear end? If you had some how beaten him in a more satisfying way I would be ok but it was just so badly handled when it was so close to making an actual point. Which is probably the reason why it didn't because hey the general public want the bad guy to lose all the time even at the cost of telling a story. Yes. gently caress yes. This is one of my favorite movies if I just turn it off 10min before the end and imagine the right ending instead.
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Rysithusiku posted:Yes. gently caress yes. This is one of my favorite movies if I just turn it off 10min before the end and imagine the right ending instead. Pretty sure I mentioned this three to five pages ago but remember in The Watchmen where they had night owl punch the bad guy a bunch to ease up on the audience's blue balls deflating the entire fuckin' point of the movie?
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I couldn't stand Law Abiding Citizen from the start given how full of the DEFENSE ATTORNEYS ARE LITERALLY DEMONS sort of Hollywood legal bullshit it was basically a living manifestation of.
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BigPaddy posted:It is ok Hollywood, you can tell a story where we all get to bite the curb as the nazi boot of reality stomps down as long as the story is good and we are entertained. Plus, if we had more movies where the bad guys win, then there might actually be a little goddamn dramatic tension in other movies - because I would no longer be secure in the knowledge that it'll all work out in the end.
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I was watched analyze this and the second movie analyze that for the first time. I feel like out of the things mobsters respect, marriages and death of a father are on the top of the list. But in the movie, they don't give a poo poo about either.
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Shwqa posted:I was watched analyze this and the second movie analyze that for the first time. I feel like out of the things mobsters respect, marriages and death of a father are on the top of the list. But in the movie, they don't give a poo poo about either. I don't know. I feel like out of all the mobster movies and TV shows that I've seen, the mobster's might place a high value on family, but they don't give a poo poo about marriage. Unless it's their wives who are having affairs.
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10 Beers posted:I don't know. I feel like out of all the mobster movies and TV shows that I've seen, the mobster's might place a high value on family, but they don't give a poo poo about marriage. Unless it's their wives who are having affairs. Personally I've always assumed that was the point. Mobsters in real life are prone to talk a big talk but are usually full of poo poo and are a half-step above simple drug-dealing gangs (hell dealing drugs is what took most of the old mafia families down). For an example of this watch the CNN documentary on the case against Whitey Bulger (it's on Netflix). All these career gangsters all pretend to be noble and all that poo poo but they sell out each other at every opportunity and have terrible home lifes.
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Patattack posted:Plus, if we had more movies where the bad guys win, then there might actually be a little goddamn dramatic tension in other movies - because I would no longer be secure in the knowledge that it'll all work out in the end. I don't remember if it's actually a good film but Arlington Road was great for that, where the good guy gets set up to take the fall for an OKC-style act of terrorism.
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Jeepers Creepers was like that too. One of my fav horror movies for that reason.
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A lot of horror franchises have the heroes "win" but ultimately only delay the return of the villain, sometimes with the triumphant heroes being killed off in the next one. Or stuff like Phantasm where things seem to have been resolved only to have the antagonist return in force.
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Skynet always wins, Judgement Day is inevitable
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Skynet always loses, Judgement Day is inevitable Fixed.
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Grendels Dad posted:Dr. Silberman always loses, Judgement Day is inevitable fixed
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:Jeepers Creepers was like that too. One of my fav horror movies for that reason. Not shocking that the monster who wants boys wins.
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I got a dumb one. Another Terminator one. In T2 why does the evil liquid metal Terminator tell Sarah to "call for John" when he could just replicate her and do it himself? Which he then does 2 minutes later? He could have offed her, taken her form and then lured John in.
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Perhaps he learned from his experience earlier in the movie, when John managed to see through the Terminator's imitation of his foster mother.
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