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What's funny is that this is easily the best Isaac run of any GDQ.
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Rorus Raz posted:What's funny is that this is easily the best Isaac run of any GDQ. Sad but true.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:35
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Your Computer posted:If you're doing seeded runs for races and such, you probably shouldn't memorize it firsthand. Just saying. That's literally why they did that. They did that because everyone told them to do seeded runs and they said "yeah that's stupid, here's why" and did that as a response.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:35
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President Ark posted:That's literally why they did that. They did that because everyone told them to do seeded runs and they said "yeah that's stupid, here's why" and did that as a response. But... it wouldn't be stupid if they didn't memorize it? I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:36
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President Ark posted:That's literally why they did that. They did that because everyone told them to do seeded runs and they said "yeah that's stupid, here's why" and did that as a response.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:36
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Bubba Smith posted:Yep. Same. I still don't think resetting with Azazel is the way to do speedruns. Just do a seeded run that's mostly balanced and show off your skills of clearing tough rooms. Obviously it's different than other speedruns but that's how it goes.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:36
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President Ark posted:That's literally why they did that. They did that because everyone told them to do seeded runs and they said "yeah that's stupid, here's why" and did that as a response. That's not quite the same as someone else finding a seed with an instant start and the runner not knowing exactly what the map is e: but seeded races are stupid anyways
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Jul 31, 2015 22:36
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Giving both runners in a race a random seed and letting them both practice it beforehand could be cool. You see, that would involve demonstrating skill at the game.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:36
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Your Computer posted:But... it wouldn't be stupid if they didn't memorize it? I'm not sure what you're trying to say. If they don't explore a seeded run or know anything about it then what is the point of using a seed???
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Jul 31, 2015 22:37
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Cool Buff Man posted:That's not quite the same as someone else finding a seed with an instant start and the runner not knowing exactly what the map is Ya. The way to do it would be to have someone else pick the seed beforehand, determine that it's good, and hand it off to the runner.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:37
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Your Computer posted:If you're doing seeded runs for races and such, you probably shouldn't memorize it firsthand. Just saying. Seeded races are bad for Isaac because screen peeking is a big thing. You can tell if they go the wrong way, if their shop sucks, etc. Also some seeds would be really brutal. We've done seeded races for Necrodancer and it's pretty cool though. pumpinglemma posted:Giving both runners in a race a random seed and letting them both practice it beforehand could be cool. You see, that would involve demonstrating skill at the game. People prefer racing unseeded because adapting on the fly is the best part of the game. Also there will be a bunch of races in one tourney
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Jul 31, 2015 22:37
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Yeah I'm pretty sure the goal of a speedrun is "beat game in fastest time possible" and part of that is getting a good seed and memorizing what you need to do with that seed to do just that.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:38
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Shadow Ninja 64 posted:If they don't explore a seeded run or know anything about it then what is the point of using a seed???
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Jul 31, 2015 22:38
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orteil spotted
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Jul 31, 2015 22:38
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If all you have to do to speedrun Issac is restart until you get an OP combo as Azazel then I can do it. See you guys at AGDQ!
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Jul 31, 2015 22:38
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Shadow Ninja 64 posted:If they don't explore a seeded run or know anything about it then what is the point of using a seed??? to make it a proper race? last year they both ran on different seeds, it makes more sense for both racers to be on the same track. still would have been boring though. E: Surely there is no way to prevent screenlooking. Absolutely
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Jul 31, 2015 22:38
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They should do a race between two guys using a seed made up on the spot because those are actually fun to watch and not foregone conclusions because they reset the first level a hundred times.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:38
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President Ark posted:That's literally why they did that. They did that because everyone told them to do seeded runs and they said "yeah that's stupid, here's why" and did that as a response. What's stopping them from grabbing a seed from a random number generator or something like that right before the race starts? Everyone gets the same seed, no one gets a chance to memorize perfect routing before that.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:38
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Shadow Ninja 64 posted:If they don't explore a seeded run or know anything about it then what is the point of using a seed??? They would be running the same course, are you even asking this?  As for a speedrun, have someone (even the community) find a seed that balances items in a way that gives the run some difficulty while also going decently fast. jackofarcades posted:Seeded races are bad for Isaac because screen peeking is a big thing. You can tell if they go the wrong way, if their shop sucks, etc. It's 20 loving 15, we can separate the runners with a piece of cardboard, jesus.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:39
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A lot of the skill in Isaac is based on your decision making. They've already come up with a really good ruleset in Balls of Steel, I hope that makes it to AGDQ. Edit: Like they ran about a hundred races and 90% of them ended under 30 mins.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:39
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Seeded Isaac isn't very fun when the enjoyment comes off dealing with what you get and taking chances now and then. If you know you're going to get a tammys head brimstone cool I guess.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:39
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Aurora posted:do an isaac speedrun without resetting What's funny to me about it is that BoI really isn't hard enough that people who play it as much as streamers and SGDQ people do shouldn't be able to just speed run Mom's Heart or something with pretty much any seed and not die
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Jul 31, 2015 22:39
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Aurora posted:do an isaac speedrun without resetting There is a character called Eden that you literally can't reset. The problem is if you want to win sometimes like this you have to go slow to survive.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:41
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Your Computer posted:They would be running the same course, are you even asking this? I'll be honest, I wasn't even aware people were talking about racing Isaac competitively here since that is not what was going on at this GDQ, but I also still disagree with using seeded runs, even if you have seeds picked by some impartial third party arbiter. However, it doesn't affect me much since I don't race Isaac, either, so I'm just happy for the community that they have a system that works for them.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:41
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Zombies' Downfall posted:What's funny to me about it is that BoI really isn't hard enough that people who play it as much as streamers and SGDQ people do shouldn't be able to just speed run Mom's Heart or something with pretty much any seed and not die No poo poo, the same people also do very high streaks. Slack had over 100 straight wins on hard mode right after the game came out. But 1) nobody runs to the loving heart and 2) why would you not reset if 1 minute of resetting can save you like 10 minutes?
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Jul 31, 2015 22:41
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Jul 31, 2015 22:41
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Kraden posted:What's stopping them from grabbing a seed from a random number generator or something like that right before the race starts? Everyone gets the same seed, no one gets a chance to memorize perfect routing before that. this is the purpose of seeded races, the BOI people are idiots
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Jul 31, 2015 22:41
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I don't necessarily think it makes a great speed run to watch, probably fun to play though. It probably brings in a buttload of money for charity though so, eh.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:42
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Your Computer posted:They would be running the same course, are you even asking this? You can't do that when you're racing online, which is why nobody does it. Isaac racing online is pretty popular, getting thousands of viewers every week.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:43
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Rorus Raz posted:
darkwing duck and kid icarus first, but after that yes
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Jul 31, 2015 22:43
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Rorus Raz posted:
No, he's after Kid Icarus
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Jul 31, 2015 22:43
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I dunno, I just feel like either running to the heart or using a seed shows more skill and is more interesting than resetting over and over and relying on getting good RNG as soon as possible. Did you start with tammy+brim? Congratulations, you got the world record for all time, since you literally can't get a better setup. Nice RNG.
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Nativity In Black posted:There is a character called Eden that you literally can't reset. The problem is if you want to win sometimes like this you have to go slow to survive. I know who Eden is, I'm talking about not doing the "reset azazel until op item"
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Jul 31, 2015 22:44
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Internet Kraken posted:If all you have to do to speedrun Issac is restart until you get an OP combo as Azazel then I can do it. See you guys at AGDQ! That's what I was trying to say. When the run started and he had Curse of the Blind I thought "oh this could be interesting" and then he reset the game and  I get why they do it but it's probably the dumbest way to showcase BoI. It doesn't show off good playing, interesting builds, or other stuff that makes the game fun.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:45
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The thing is this guy didn't even do this as fast as possible. He wasted time picking up items he didn't need after getting his OP combo and dropped a really good spacebar item in exchange for one he barely even used. He could of saved a bunch of time but didn't, so why is he running the game?
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Jul 31, 2015 22:45
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jackofarcades posted:You can't do that when you're racing online, which is why nobody does it. Isaac racing online is pretty popular, getting thousands of viewers every week. It would still be obvious and anyone doing it would be shunned and not invited to further races? I just think "the community is poo poo" is a weird argument against seeds.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:45
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Oh hey Kid Icarus is next that's cool always wondered why nobody seemed to speedrun it.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:45
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No one wants to run BOI with a fixed seed because the interesting part of the game is dealing with the RNG. If you take out the situational decision making it's actually a pretty boring game.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:45
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I almost never hide the chat but this is one of the very few times ive had to do it, holy christ
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Both of those runs were significantly better at showing off important things about the way people actually speedrun this fun but dumb game than any other run at a GDQ so far. And this interview does good things to explain the thoughts behind it, so that's a positive step at least.
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