Summer Games Done Quick 2015

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Olive!: Mar 16, 2015; It's not a ghost, but probably a 'living corpse'. The 'living dead' with a hell of a lot of bloodlust...

Akett posted:

Hot drat, the gen 1 growlithe sprite is adorable. Compared to its contemporaries at least.

I don't know what you're--

...Oh.

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dragon enthusiast: Jan 1, 2010

This guy has a photographic memory

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TheGreatGildersneeze: Feb 24, 2001; My passive aggressive shilling for Microsoft has gone beyond weird obsession levels. I have no attachment to reality outside of my feelings for a plastic box. I should shut my fat fucking mouth and stop trying to do PR for a billion dollar corp

Ekster posted:

How can you break a game this thoroughly without crashing.

Apparently it was coded without any kind of sanity checks, which are what programs use to go "HEY WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE?" Like someone above said, until you rewrite the code to tell the gameboy to do something it physically cannot, this game will just keep on going no matter what you do to it.

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Chalupa Picada: Jan 13, 2009

deadpan posted:

Shoddy? Pokemon Blue is a blank canvas on which to paint your dreams.

the paint is made out of the tears of unborn children

# ? Aug 1, 2015 07:02

SatansBestBuddy: Sep 26, 2010; by FactsAreUseless

MegaZeroX posted:

"So Ditto can't transoform, but he can make other Pokemon transform, which is pretty cool."

I rejoined the stream before bed to check out what's happening and that's the first thing I hear.

Also I have no idea what's happening right now. ~~Probably~~ definitely gonna have to watch this later.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 07:02

Distant Chicken: Aug 15, 2007

Ekster posted:

How can you break a game this thoroughly without crashing.

NRVNQSR posted:

Time for another programming diversion!

Memory protection is a system that prevents programs from reading or writing bits of memory that they shouldn't, either because they're not allowed to or because the memory doesn't even exist. If a program tries, it will crash. When a modern game crashes, 95% of the time it's memory protection that strikes the killing blow: As the game gets more and more confused, it's more and more likely that it will ask a question it shouldn't and the system will smack it down. It might be called an "access violation" or a "segmentation fault" or a dozen other names, but they're all the same thing.

All modern PCs and almost all modern consoles have some form of memory protection. But as you go further back in time, especially on smaller portable consoles, it gets rarer and more limited; memory protection isn't free, and processing power was at a premium.

So when a gameboy game asks to read a bit of memory that's slightly wrong? Sure, go ahead. When, based on that, it tries to write to a chunk of memory that's miles from where it should be, smack in the middle of a Pidgey's sprite data? No problem. It can just keep going round in circles, getting more and more confused. It's all crazy, but without a memory manager keeping an eye on things none of it is actually going to make the game crash. As long as the game can find its way back out to some code that works again, it can carry on as if nothing had happened.

When a game on an old system like this actually crashes, it's usually either because the hardware has been asked to do something completely impossible (dividing by zero is a classic, though some systems will try anyway), because the program has gone into an infinite loop, or because the programmer has specifically told it to die ("if the player encounters a Pokemon that shouldn't exist, then crash").

Many games use that last one a lot; better to have the game crash than let it continue in a messed up form, especially if there's a risk of it messing up their saves. Obviously Pokemon isn't one of these games.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 07:03

Rocketlex: Oct 21, 2008; The Manliest Knight
in Caketown

In fairness (?) the lack of sanity checks had a lot to do with the incredibly limited memory of the Game Boy. A lot of other Game Boy games forewent sanity checks in the interest of space.

Link's Awakening comes to mind. You could get up to some wild poo poo in that game and it would just keep trying its hardest.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 07:03

Maple Leaf: Aug 24, 2010; Let'en my post flyen true

Ohtsam posted:

He also reimplemented the entire battle system for the N64 from the raw GB code with 0 documentation.

What does this mean, exactly? That he knew that Tackle had 95 accuracy from memory/from playing the game rather than having documents about it, etc? Or something different?

# ? Aug 1, 2015 07:04

Croccers: Jun 15, 2012

SavTargaryen posted:

This is loving wizardry, right? This is literally magic. I'm a goddamn programmer and I don't understand how this happens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5T81yHkHtI
x2 speed the video. Watch them program balloons and the MLP theme in Pokemon Yellow.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 07:04

Jiro: Jan 13, 2004

Little does everyone know the only reason he's able to overcome such massive odds is because he has John Cena and no other reason. :smugdog:

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SWMadness: Jul 16, 2011; Excellent.

SatansBestBuddy posted:

I rejoined the stream before bed to check out what's happening and that's the first thing I hear.

Also I have no idea what's happening right now. ~~Probably~~ definitely gonna have to watch this later.

They actually do a pretty solid job of explaining it in the commentary, which is great to see. Basically they tricked the game into making part of its coding visible to the player, so instead of swapping aroun bits of data that tell the game which items you have and how many of them, you're now manipulating bits of data that tell the game which part of the map you're on, and whether or not you're in a battle, and with which pokemon. :shepface:

# ? Aug 1, 2015 07:06

SWMadness: Jul 16, 2011; Excellent.

Rocketlex posted:

In fairness (?) the lack of sanity checks had a lot to do with the incredibly limited memory of the Game Boy. A lot of other Game Boy games forewent sanity checks in the interest of space.

Link's Awakening comes to mind. You could get up to some wild poo poo in that game and it would just keep trying its hardest.

MeccaPrime's LP of the game where he beats the game's dungeons in reverse order is a good showcase of that.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 07:07

victrix: Oct 30, 2007

I was going to quote this, but much like most Iwata Asks, it's has too many good parts. Just go read the whole thing:

https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Iwata-As...te--225951.html

Covers his helping with the code and lots of other stuff.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 07:08

Akett: Aug 6, 2012

This takes on an almost mythic quality, he's using arcane secrets to transform items and to pull new ones from a place that didn't exist before. He's using those items to access and manipulate the very building blocks of his reality. He's achieved a mastery of his world such that distance doesn't matter, and he can access horrifying planes where everything breaks apart. He walks a thin line that if he errs from it will sunder reality.

Be thankful we don't have magic, this is what it would look like.

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dragon enthusiast: Jan 1, 2010

Imagine what kinds of poo poo they found during QA if the game at release was like this.

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Blue Wher: Apr 27, 2010; The Smart Baseball Dargon Sez:

"Baseball is chaos!"

His bat is signed by Carl "Yaz" Yastrzemski

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Pants Donkey: Nov 13, 2011

The Sezza posted:

How does it feel, to be so wrong?

I knew Gen 1 was broke as gently caress, but I didn't realize how much runners had broken it.

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weekly font: Dec 1, 2004; Everytime I try to fly I fall
Without my wings
I feel so small
Guess I need you baby...

Rorus Raz posted:

I knew Gen 1 was broke as gently caress, but I didn't realize how much runners had broken it.

There's a Lady Liberty in Saffron City crying a single tear with your avatar.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 07:11

SWMadness: Jul 16, 2011; Excellent.

Rorus Raz posted:

I knew Gen 1 was broke as gently caress, but I didn't realize how much runners had broken it.

The current world record for OOT any% is 17 minutes. The TAS route for gen 1 pokemon doesn't even require you to leave the house.

If there is a glitch to be exploited, given enough time, they will find it.

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victrix: Oct 30, 2007

Can we break a million? We might break a million.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 07:15

Ohtsam: Feb 5, 2010; Not this shit again.

Maple Leaf posted:

What does this mean, exactly? That he knew that Tackle had 95 accuracy from memory/from playing the game rather than having documents about it, etc? Or something different?

victrix posted:

I was going to quote this, but much like most Iwata Asks, it's has too many good parts. Just go read the whole thing:

https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Iwata-As...te--225951.html

Covers his helping with the code and lots of other stuff.

Read this it covers both examples of Iwata's coding with Pokemon

# ? Aug 1, 2015 07:15

Distant Chicken: Aug 15, 2007

victrix posted:

Can we break a million? We might break a million.

Link to the Past, Mario 64, Super Metroid, Chrono Trigger tomorrow. The only question is how high over a million they'll make it.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 07:16

MegaZeroX: Dec 11, 2013; "I'm Jack Frost, ho! Nice to meet ya, hee ho!"

SWMadness posted:

The TAS route for gen 1 pokemon doesn't even require you to leave the house.

It doesn't need to be a TAS, you can do save corruption to beat the game without leaving the house.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 07:17

Ohtsam: Feb 5, 2010; Not this shit again.

OatmealRaisin posted:

Link to the Past, Mario 64, Super Metroid, Chrono Trigger tomorrow. The only question is how high over a million they'll make it.

Also TASBot, which if you haven't seen it in past years, they reprogrammed Super Mario world into Super Mario Bros. and then turned pokemon red running in a super gameboy into a Twitch chat client.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 07:18