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Grendels Dad posted:Wouldn't that just make you The Flash? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPY3d0BxTbI
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Xenomrph posted:Yeah, I see it as branching timelines, which allows for things like T3 and the TV show to coexist. I would genuinely like to see this.
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Jul 30, 2015 23:56
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Darko posted:The snake is the true hero of the Bible in a pretty straight read, sooo... Adam is just a regular Joe living a blissful life, Eve is the henchman, Lillith is Kat Dennings in Thor, and the Snake is the hero for giving man agency and God is the mastermind big bad whose burger joint plans fall apart.
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Jul 31, 2015 01:05
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There's no way God put that tree there without knowing exactly what would happen. Eating the apple is like creating SkyNet: humanity is going to to do it eventually regardless of how much you mess with the timeline. Yes, I want SkyNet to send a Terminator back to prevent the Fall of Man, ensuring that it will be created by a benevolent humanity 
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Jul 31, 2015 02:26
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Hodgepodge posted:Yes, I want SkyNet to send a Terminator back to prevent the Fall of Man, ensuring that it will be created by a benevolent humanity Due to the data available Skynet sends the Terminator back 6000 years into the past where it gets promptly eaten by a dinosaur.
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Jul 31, 2015 08:55
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Neo Rasa posted:They should make it like Trancers where time travel means you take deugs so that your concsiousness leaves your body and you possess the body of one of your ancestors in the past. I'm a multi-racial creature that couldn't have existed prior to the 20th century so to me, this is a boring notion
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Jul 31, 2015 09:27
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I just watched the Bluray of the original Terminator. I was really impressed with how they remastered the ending. I remember the stop motion T800 looking terrible on VHS.
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Aug 1, 2015 02:43
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ghostwritingduck posted:I just watched the Bluray of the original Terminator. I was really impressed with how they remastered the ending. I remember the stop motion T800 looking terrible on VHS. It still looks terrible on Netflix.
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Aug 1, 2015 03:22
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James Cameron personally oversees the bluray transfers of his own movies to make sure they look exactly the way he wants them to in terms of film grain, brightness, color balance, etc. it's the main reason True Lies and The Abyss haven't come out on bluray yet. I wouldn't be surprised if The Terminator on Netflix straight up isn't using the remastered bluray transfer at all for whatever reason.
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Aug 1, 2015 09:23
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The Netflix version is from the 2006 Blu-ray, not the most recent remaster.
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Aug 1, 2015 14:06
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I just saw this film, and though Clarke was the absolute wrong choice for John Connor I thought this film was a blast. 7/10
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Aug 1, 2015 18:41
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Why was Clarke a bad choice? He was the most interesting presence in the film.
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Aug 1, 2015 19:30
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Why was Clarke a bad choice? He was the most interesting presence in the film. Agreed. Outside of Arnold he brought something more interesting to the film.
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Aug 1, 2015 21:33
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Why was Clarke a bad choice? He was the most interesting presence in the film. He had a huge head and a tiny mouth
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Aug 1, 2015 21:53
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:He had a huge head and a tiny mouth Still does I bet.
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Aug 1, 2015 21:57
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:He had a huge head and a tiny mouth A month later, he's still my favorite part of the film. He's just so interesting to look at.
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Aug 1, 2015 22:17
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Why was Clarke a bad choice? He was the most interesting presence in the film. I still sort of think no one outside of Arnold was really hit the sweet spot of their characters in the movie, though. Now, someone like Nic Cage as John Connor, though, might have been REALLY interesting.
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Aug 2, 2015 06:35
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JediTalentAgent posted:I still sort of think no one outside of Arnold was really hit the sweet spot of their characters in the movie, though. Now, someone like Nic Cage as John Connor, though, might have been REALLY interesting. Jason Clarke was fun, no need to replace John Connor. Now, Nic Cage as Sarah Connor would have been interesting. Would make Kyle Reese falling in love with the photo more clearly a longing for an idyllic past rather than just lusting after some hot baby.
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Aug 2, 2015 06:53
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I would watch a dystoian robot movie where every character is Nicholas Cage. Not just that he plays every role from the get go, but a film that has a varied cast playing various vaguely naturally born and grown lifeforms like Blade Runner where as the the movies goes on more and more characters are revealed to actually be Nicholas Cage. But in a world where you're Nicholas Cage, does presenting yourself as a robot or human even matter?
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Neo Rasa posted:I would watch a dystoian robot movie where every character is Nicholas Cage. Not just that he plays every role from the get go, but a film that has a varied cast playing various vaguely naturally born and grown lifeforms like Blade Runner where as the the movies goes on more and more characters are revealed to actually be Nicholas Cage. But in a world where you're Nicholas Cage, does presenting yourself as a robot or human even matter? "I'm Nic Cage" *lights cigarette, camera pans out to street full of Nic Cages walking on the sidewalk "But in the future...we all are"
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Aug 2, 2015 09:18
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OK... Connor says that he can kill his parents in the past without killing himself. If that's the case, what's the point of sending anyone back in time in the first place?
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Aug 2, 2015 11:32
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ghostwritingduck posted:OK... Connor says that he can kill his parents in the past without killing himself. If that's the case, what's the point of sending anyone back in time in the first place? That's classified.
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Aug 2, 2015 11:34
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ghostwritingduck posted:OK... Connor says that he can kill his parents in the past without killing himself. If that's the case, what's the point of sending anyone back in time in the first place? Without killing himself. He says it right there in that scene, he believes that time travellers are orphaned from their timeline (or however exactly he puts it). Since he's no longer tethered to a timeline, he can kill Sarah and not pop out of existence - but killing Sarah still changes the future of her timeline since she'll be dead. Was he right? WHO KNOWS?
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Aug 2, 2015 14:02
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JediTalentAgent posted:I still sort of think no one outside of Arnold was really hit the sweet spot of their characters in the movie, though. Now, someone like Nic Cage as John Connor, though, might have been REALLY interesting. Yeah no thanks.
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Aug 2, 2015 14:27
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WarLocke posted:Without killing himself. He says it right there in that scene, he believes that time travellers are orphaned from their timeline (or however exactly he puts it). Since he's no longer tethered to a timeline, he can kill Sarah and not pop out of existence - but killing Sarah still changes the future of her timeline since she'll be dead. Aren't we given enough evidence to see that he's not orphaned from time considering Kyle receives a second set of memories from the altered timeline? It seems to me that the filmmakers put that in so Connor could be a physical threat when they could have just had Connor be willing to die to prevent his younger self from stopping Skynet.
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Aug 2, 2015 15:42
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We've gone past the point where they're fighting for the singular 'future', they're fighting for which side is going to have the most co-existing parallel universes of Skynet or human dominated futures. Next step, we replace the time bubble with a time funnel: Sliders/Terminator crossover.
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Jason Clarke sold me on him being Connor when he's shooting at the Giant Robot early in the film and screaming "I'm right here, come and get me!"
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Yeah I was 100% happy with John Connor, in terms of both personality and acting. And looks, too. Yeah he's got an unusual face, but it's refreshing that he's not a typical Hollywood handsome guy. Plus Edward Furlong grew up to be a bit of an unusual-looking guy as well. I could believe that this new John Connor was the adult version of the boy in T2. ghostwritingduck posted:Aren't we given enough evidence to see that he's not orphaned from time considering Kyle receives a second set of memories from the altered timeline? It seems to me that the filmmakers put that in so Connor could be a physical threat when they could have just had Connor be willing to die to prevent his younger self from stopping Skynet. Receiving alternate memories isn't supposed to be a normal consequence of history being altered, though. It's supposed to be an unusual side-effect of being in a time bubble while a massive history-altering event is occurring (Connor getting infected by Skynet). Since Kyle is a time traveller, he is orphaned from time, though. If someone went and murdered young Kyle Reece in the new 2016, original adult Kyle Reece would stay alive. This is consistent throughout the whole Terminator franchise - in Terminator 2, John doesn't disappear when the future war is supposedly prevented, even though he's the son of a time traveller from the non-existent future war. (And Arnie doesn't disappear either, he has to be lowered into the molten metal.) Kyle gaining new memories due to being in the time bubble is pseudo-science nonsense... but I'll give them some credit as having Kyle be the one that knows about Genisys is a more interesting way for the characters to learn about the new future. The alternative would have been Pops being sent from the Genisys future and knowing that Judgement Day is 2017. That would make the most logical sense, but it would be dull as it it would be a re-hash of the way Terminator 3 and Sarah Connor Chronicles handled it. Of course, the question is... what would happen if someone killed young alternate Kyle Reece before his birthday party where he gets the Genisys tablet and before he talks to himself in the mirror about Genisys being Skynet? Would original Kyle Reece suddenly loose those memories? If not, then I guess Kyle didn't have to go talk to himself at the end of the film... Gaaaagh your evil twin fucked around with this message at 10:57 on Aug 3, 2015 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Terminator is extremely fun, because you have this crazed Vietnam veteran running around, rambling about the loving lizard people. I love you SMG. Terminator is GOOD and I hope it wins many TOMATOES and a HUGE GOLDEN IDOL like the one in KARNOV.
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I enjoyed this movie.
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So, is Genisys' judgement day the "original" Judgement day? The one referred to in Terminator, before the discovery of the T-800 CPU by CyberDyne? Or is there just so much dumb poo poo in the timeline that who knows anymore?
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I think that Genisys subscribes to the idea that the original Terminator timeline was a time loop, and it was always a time loop, so John always had a father from the future, and Skynet was always built using future parts from the first Terminator that was crushed in Cyberdyne's factory. Skynet sends nano-John-Connor back to ensure that Skynet gets created, even if the timeloop gets broken. Which indeed happens when Sarah/Kyle/Pops destroys the Terminator in sewers (rather than the Cyberdyne factory) and then melts it in acid. And similarly if the T-1000 had succeeded in its mission then the T-800 wouldn't have ended up crushed in Cyberdyne's factory. So Matt Smith/Skynet knew that its time fuckery had a good chance of undoing its own existence, and sent John Connor to 2014 as a contingency for that. ALTERNATIVELY... if you prefer the idea that there was an "original" timeline without time travel where Kyle wasn't John's father and Skynet was created without future parts, then you can reasonably assume that Genisys was the "original" birth of Skynet, without any future components. And since Matt Smith/Skynet is supposed to have travelled between timelines and seen all the outcomes (where Skynet loses to humanity each time), it makes sense that it sent John Connor back to protect that original birth of Skynet and also help speed up Skynet's development. Either way, the plot still works. And since the idea of an "original" timeline is something that Terminator fans have never been able to agree on, it's smart that the Genisys writers decided to neither confirm or deny either theory. Also, regardless of which theory it looks like John's mission was also to help speed up Skynet's development and to give Skynet an edge the moment it went active, by building it a time machine and mimetic polyalloy for creating T-1000s. Cyberdyne was struggling to get time travel to work with the limitations of human knowledge and engineering, but presumably Skynet would be able to fill in the last few gaps shortly after going online, and then immediately have a ready-made time machine and an army of T-1000s that it could send through time to defend itself from any threat. Good luck defeating Skynet when it already has time travel and liquid metal Terminators before it launches its attack on humanity!
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your evil twin posted:I think that Genisys subscribes to the idea that the original Terminator timeline was a time loop, and it was always a time loop, so John always had a father from the future, and Skynet was always built using future parts from the first Terminator that was crushed in Cyberdyne's factory. I know this is going to be one of those posts, but I think the "original" timeline is John is the product of Sarah's either boyfriend then ex bf or another one-night stand of her's and that "Alpha" John happens to be in the right place, right time scenario to become the antagonist to Skynet. Skynet going by its computer logic MAKES John important enough to use time travel to try and undo him, in doing so, they set up each timeline that stems from there afterward to be a loop yes, but to also lead to upgrades on both sides, which is why we now have the ending of Genisys. Had Skynet not focused on John there are thousands of other timelines that someone could be the leader of the Human Resistance, Hell, John could've been Pablo Connor or an actual member of the former military. Just my thoughts on it but it's about as plausible as any other person with access to the internet.
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There's no "original" timeline because the first Terminator is a Messiah prophecy story. Kyle falls from the sky, impregnates the virgin, and she births JC who was the prophesied savior. It's a causal loop, an the Biblical parallels are a result of this loop.
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Diabetic posted:I know this is going to be one of those posts, but I think the "original" timeline is John is the product of Sarah's either boyfriend then ex bf or another one-night stand of her's and that "Alpha" John happens to be in the right place, right time scenario to become the antagonist to Skynet. Skynet going by its computer logic MAKES John important enough to use time travel to try and undo him, in doing so, they set up each timeline that stems from there afterward to be a loop yes, but to also lead to upgrades on both sides, which is why we now have the ending of Genisys. Had Skynet not focused on John there are thousands of other timelines that someone could be the leader of the Human Resistance, Hell, John could've been Pablo Connor or an actual member of the former military. Just my thoughts on it but it's about as plausible as any other person with access to the internet. I've always enjoyed this theory but the funny thing about it is that it was originally created to explain why Edward Furlong is such an annoying little poo poo in T2. His genetic makeup isn't the same as the Connor!
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Basebf555 posted:I've always enjoyed this theory but the funny thing about it is that it was originally created to explain why Edward Furlong is such an annoying little poo poo in T2. His genetic makeup isn't the same as the Connor! Also, he was 12! Everyone sucks when they are 12, haha. I'm on the final episode of TSCC and it's a pretty solid show. Lena Headey was a really good Sarah Connor, and the use of time travel is a lot of fun especially in the aforementioned episode where there is a glitch when they send back a terminator to kill someone in 2005 and it is sent back 90 years earlier and he becomes this man of the people big businessman & rebuilds the building, sealing himself inside for like 80 years. Was the "they always use the front door" joke ever in the movies?
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Diabetic posted:I know this is going to be one of those posts, but I think the "original" timeline is John is the product of Sarah's either boyfriend then ex bf or another one-night stand of her's and that "Alpha" John happens to be in the right place, right time scenario to become the antagonist to Skynet. Skynet going by its computer logic MAKES John important enough to use time travel to try and undo him, in doing so, they set up each timeline that stems from there afterward to be a loop yes, but to also lead to upgrades on both sides, which is why we now have the ending of Genisys. Had Skynet not focused on John there are thousands of other timelines that someone could be the leader of the Human Resistance, Hell, John could've been Pablo Connor or an actual member of the former military. Just my thoughts on it but it's about as plausible as any other person with access to the internet.
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Sasquatch! posted:T1 is a closed loop: Kyle Reese is always John Connor's father, Judgement Day always happens, etc. Terminator worked as a closed loop until the sequels messed it up. It was worth it for T2 though.
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Sasquatch! posted:T1 is a closed loop: Kyle Reese is always John Connor's father, Judgement Day always happens, etc. I adore the closed loop of T1, but it is hosed to Hell by T2 etc. So this is how I process it in my head canon.
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Darko posted:There's no "original" timeline because the first Terminator is a Messiah prophecy story. Kyle falls from the sky, impregnates the virgin, and she births JC who was the prophesied savior. It's a causal loop, an the Biblical parallels are a result of this loop. So Arnold is Satan? 
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