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What is it about aikido that does this to people? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06olLYiMvM4&t=8987s Keg fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Jul 30, 2015 |
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Jul 30, 2015 03:26
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Keg posted:What is it about aikido that does this to people? I remember listening to this live and immediately discrediting everything else the dude said because the aikido bullshit was so strong. "It's about redirecting the energy of their force and allowing it to pass underneath you, neutralizing their momentum."
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Jul 30, 2015 03:46
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LionArcher posted:Only one way to find out... One of us, one of us...
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Jul 30, 2015 04:06
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LionArcher posted:Looking for a challenger I meant to say. Dammit. As for why percent wise nobody shows up to rings... I don't know. I've been considering cross training simply because I feel pretty confident I'd do just fine... And I find myself annoyed that anytime this is brought up this is often times the response. Cross training will point out the gaps in your base martial arts system as long as you go in with an open mind and a yearning for continual self improvement. For myself, I began with TJJ (throws are akin to judo kata) which helped me with muscle memory in judo but I still got tooled when I first began. Then 6 months ago I began cross training at an MMA gym and even with a judo background, I constantly get caught in bad positions (MOTHERFUCKING LEG LOCKS). I didn't consider the switch to MMA feeling confident I'd do just fine - I made the switch feeling confident that no matter how bad I would get tooled, I'd continue to learn and better my skills to fill in the gaps in my game. It's awesome. I would bet most of us who practice combat sport in this thread feel the same way. In short - definitely cross train. As fatherdog mentioned, we come across guys with your mind set all the time on the mat. Your aikido will help to a certain extent (tai sabaki, kzushi, etc.) but there will always be someone better who will tool you. Learn from it then elevate your game. Report results back to the thread.
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Jul 30, 2015 04:52
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fatherdog posted:This is usually the response because most of us who've trained BJJ or Judo or another grappling art for long enough have seen several dudes like you, who train aikido and are "considering cross training simply because [they] feel pretty confident [they]'d do just fine...". I've seen around six or seven. Spoiler: Never once have they "done just fine". same
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Jul 30, 2015 05:56
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Cross training into aikido is better than cross training out of it.
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Jul 30, 2015 08:50
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I won't be near a gym for a few weeks but I'll update the thread when I do go. Also, absolutely not approaching it with a cocky attitude. There is always somebody better out there... I'm wanting to cross train because I'm always down to learn more and push myself harder. I'll be entering any new gym with the attitude I'm a beginner, regardless of my rank or how "good" I am at aikido or my bouncing experience.
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Jul 30, 2015 08:59
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1st AD posted:I remember listening to this live and immediately discrediting everything else the dude said because the aikido bullshit was so strong. "It's about redirecting the energy of their force and allowing it to pass underneath you, neutralizing their momentum." Ah yes, the mobn philosophy.
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Jul 30, 2015 10:03
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All this talk about aikido made me curious, so I took a peek at the Finnish aikido federation's graduation requirements. Turns out you're expected to know counters to the techniques at the second dan exam – in other words, your uke doesn't start actively countering you until you've been training at least six years and received your black belt. Until then, it's all just memorizing kata. Which, for fairness's sake, I honestly believe are mechanically sound. They might not be entirely tactically sensible, but that doesn't really matter because it's six years before your partner starts resisting anyway.  Man, I miss aikido all of a sudden. I should go back sometime, I still have about three years to go before my black belt. In any case, I'm cheering for you, LionArcher! Keep us updated.
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Jul 30, 2015 12:22
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I would just like to articulate the state of my goal posts: I predict LionArcher as a reasonably big dude that knows wrist locks and who , based on his previous experience shouldn't be much of a spazz starting out, will pick up BJJ pretty quickly. If I were in the unfortunate predicament of being in a battle to the death (or even loss of eyeball/trachea) vs LionArcher in a year's time, I would feel much better about my chances if he spends that time as a practitioner of Aikido as opposed to one of our beloved combat sports.
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Jul 30, 2015 12:58
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Does the front chancery position have any other name? I'd love to find a video showing me more options from there.
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Jul 30, 2015 13:57
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02-6611-0142-1 posted:Does the front chancery position have any other name? I'd love to find a video showing me more options from there. It looks like a "standing guillotine" to me, but someone more experienced can probably point to the distinctions. (or that may just be the bjj-ified name)
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Jul 30, 2015 14:10
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Kekekela posted:I would just like to articulate the state of my goal posts: This has been my experience with aikidoka who break through to reality. They usually learn quickly and then are able to wristlock people who are are not Bernie after the voodoo curse wore off. Also same^2 Fatherdog. I've seen this story at least 10 times.
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Jul 30, 2015 15:27
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Generally my experience with aikido has been that it's a grab-bag of mostly-useful techniques with no coherent strategy or delivery system and some of the worst training methodology I've ever encountered. So when a judoka or someone else with an established ability to grapple against an existing opponent studies aikido (or, vice versa, an aikidoka puts their ego aside and studies another grappling art) you wind up with a decent grappler who's good at wristlocks. When someone with no other experience just studies aikido, you get somebody perpetually surprised that nothing they do in class seems to work outside of it.
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Jul 30, 2015 18:12
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theres a aikido dojo like 100 meters from where i live. i want to go there to try a class because i have a friend who used to be extremely into it (did aikido every day in a community college type deal, went to japan for aikido) he has serious ukemi skills though, ive managed to talk him into doing some pretty insane concrete ukemi after we have been drinking.
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Jul 30, 2015 20:08
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I did a hapkido class afte doing Judo for about a year when I decided to branch out and crosstrain, and it was scary how poorly those guys were able to strike and grapple
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Jul 31, 2015 07:49
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Nierbo posted:I did a hapkido class afte doing Judo for about a year when I decided to branch out and crosstrain, and it was scary how poorly those guys were able to strike and grapple Same, only I did boxing once a week for 6 months and watch mma a lot, and I was scared how poo poo everyone was.
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Jul 31, 2015 15:26
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fatherdog posted:Generally my experience with aikido has been that it's a grab-bag of mostly-useful techniques with no coherent strategy or delivery system and some of the worst training methodology I've ever encountered. So when a judoka or someone else with an established ability to grapple against an existing opponent studies aikido (or, vice versa, an aikidoka puts their ego aside and studies another grappling art) you wind up with a decent grappler who's good at wristlocks. When someone with no other experience just studies aikido, you get somebody perpetually surprised that nothing they do in class seems to work outside of it. I think this is a good summary. Aikido can offer an experienced martial artist something, the techniques can be sound but the methodology of teaching is poor. Hapkido is retarded.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:34
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Dysgenesis posted:I think this is a good summary. Aikido can offer an experienced martial artist something, the techniques can be sound but the methodology of teaching is poor. Which actually makes a great deal of sense given the initial creation of the art; Ueshiba was already experienced in multiple forms of martial arts and his early students were almost exclusively the same. He never bothered creating a curriculum of basics for people who didn't already have a base to start from, and his students' students just cargo-cult copied what he did create.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:59
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Dysgenesis posted:I think this is a good summary. Aikido can offer an experienced martial artist something, the techniques can be sound but the methodology of teaching is poor. Basically, I learned aikido as a fine motor skill akin to music or shooting. I didn't realize it at the time, but the way I was training did a brilliant job preparing for the belt exams, but also made me really slow. Of course, tactics-wise I don't know what the gently caress, either, so it's all a mess. Some random dude from the 15th century got an opinion on the matter: quote:Here begins the wrestling composed by Master Ott, God have mercy on him, who was wrestler to the noble Princes of Austria. Edit: Out of curiousity, what do you regular grapplers think of the medieval wrestling article above? Did old man Ott get it right? Siivola fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Jul 31, 2015 |
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Jul 31, 2015 23:00
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fatherdog posted:Which actually makes a great deal of sense given the initial creation of the art; Ueshiba was already experienced in multiple forms of martial arts and his early students were almost exclusively the same. He never bothered creating a curriculum of basics for people who didn't already have a base to start from, and his students' students just cargo-cult copied what he did create. This. The main teacher of of the koryu I'm studying, does multiple martial arts (including aikido under Ueshiba) and he can move. He's pushing on 80, so he runs out of steam quickly, but his level of body control is amazing.
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Aug 1, 2015 00:47
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I had a roommate who found out I was doing martial arts and swore up and down that he could school me with his hapkido skills from high school. No really, if he hit me with the bone in his wrist on the top of my head it'd cave my skull in. I honestly haven't even wikipedia'd it, that's all I know about it.
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Aug 1, 2015 01:02
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the JJ posted:I had a roommate who found out I was doing martial arts and swore up and down that he could school me with his hapkido skills from high school. No really, if he hit me with the bone in his wrist on the top of my head it'd cave my skull in. Did you shoot a double on him?
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Aug 1, 2015 01:12
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Ah, the old reverse wrist-headbutt. Not quite as effective as the regular headbutt to wrist but still classic.
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Aug 1, 2015 01:30
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Dysgenesis posted:Hapkido is retarded. I suspect it depends a lot on the dojang; isn't hapkido basically jujitsu with taekwondo kicks?
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There's a good thread about the corrupt International Brazillian Jiu Jitsu Foundation here: http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=122202quote:In 2010 the Carlos Gracie Jr led IBJJF instituted its belt registration system for black belts. In 2012, they instituted the same system for brown belts. The effects of this policy were severe. Through the use of drop down menus, registration procedures, signature requirements, membership requirements and other red tape, the Federation essentially forced instructors into expensive, long term contracts for which they provide no goods or services. Those who failed to comply were stripped of their ranks and forced out of the competition circuits. This removed many talented grapplers from the mats, conned people out of thousands, separated instructors and students, and costs others their ranks. It also put many high ranking grapplers in position to sell rank to those undeserving, and to price gouge legitimate grapplers. quote:*They give the impression of being a Brazilian organization, sharing the same government endorsement as the CBJJ, when in fact they are a US for-profit corporation that happens to be owned by the CBJJ president. Beware and don't pay these con artists anything.
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ulmont posted:I suspect it depends a lot on the dojang; isn't hapkido basically jujitsu with taekwondo kicks? That's not exactly a stellar review
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Aug 1, 2015 06:09
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ImplicitAssembler posted:This. The main teacher of of the koryu I'm studying, does multiple martial arts (including aikido under Ueshiba) and he can move. He's pushing on 80, so he runs out of steam quickly, but his level of body control is amazing. Old Old ooold man strength
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ulmont posted:I suspect it depends a lot on the dojang; isn't hapkido basically jujitsu with taekwondo kicks? It's mean to be an all encompassing striking and grappling system. It take the most legitimate reason for tkd using complex kicks (it's a sport and they score highly) and removes it leaving you trying to apply complex low percentage strikes in a self defense setting. The grappling part is similar in technique and teaching method as traditional Japanese jujitsu although it seems to value complexity over effectiveness. It also seems to suffer more than average with koolaid syndrome and their uke looks like something out of pro wrestling. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RBiRWqm6DKI
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Dysgenesis posted:It's mean to be an all encompassing striking and grappling system. It take the most legitimate reason for tkd using complex kicks (it's a sport and they score highly) and removes it leaving you trying to apply complex low percentage strikes in a self defense setting. I won't lie, that looks ridiculously fun from a LARPing perspective.
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Aug 1, 2015 21:02
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Nierbo posted:There's a good thread about the corrupt International Brazillian Jiu Jitsu Foundation here: http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=122202 I think it should be noted that the villain/osiris guy is jordan tabor who has been caught up in a kerfuffle regarding the legitimacy of his belt. I know he recently lost his position of bjj coach at a local gym - not sure if it was related or if it was just bjj politics.
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Aug 1, 2015 21:44
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ulmont posted:I suspect it depends a lot on the dojang; isn't hapkido basically jujitsu with taekwondo kicks? That sounds retarded. Anyway, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMCwtyDjbd0 Keg fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Aug 1, 2015 |
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Aug 1, 2015 23:16
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origami posted:I think it should be noted that the villain/osiris guy is jordan tabor who has been caught up in a kerfuffle regarding the legitimacy of his belt. I know he recently lost his position of bjj coach at a local gym - not sure if it was related or if it was just bjj politics. I only know the story from bits and pieces I've seen online, but it sounds like Jordan Tabor is mentally ill and a lot of people have said they've paid substantially less to register their belt with the IBJJF than what he says he was being 'extorted' for.
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Aug 1, 2015 23:33
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fatherdog posted:Which actually makes a great deal of sense given the initial creation of the art; Ueshiba was already experienced in multiple forms of martial arts and his early students were almost exclusively the same. He never bothered creating a curriculum of basics for people who didn't already have a base to start from, and his students' students just cargo-cult copied what he did create. Sounds like it's less about learning basics and more about doing live sparring. If you do some aikido and you're also training judo or bjj or something to a high level, you get a chance to practice the techniques properly during live sparring. I mean it's not like wrist locks and throws aren't real, it's just that you can't learn to use them practicing only against unresisting opponents.
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Aug 2, 2015 23:29
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Keg posted:That sounds retarded. Who would even try a double lapel choke while being mounted?
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Aug 3, 2015 02:09
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Its fine from guard right?
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Aug 3, 2015 02:42
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KingColliwog posted:Who would even try a double lapel choke while being mounted? Seriously...
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Aug 3, 2015 02:53
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KingColliwog posted:Who would even try a double lapel choke while being mounted? Liberty Bell Classic the years ago my friend knocked a guy out could doing a double lapel choke while pinned. Keep in mind this was against a green belt, but still. I finally got around to having my shoulder reconstructed from a judo injury and am now searching for a place to get back into it(currently rank of Sankyu in judo). Either that or aikido. I don't suppose anybody knows a decent place in/around central Jersey they could talk up?
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Crazyeyes posted:Liberty Bell Classic the years ago my friend knocked a guy out could doing a double lapel choke while pinned. Keep in mind this was against a green belt, but still. Weird. I never knew you could get the leverage to finish the choke from there no matter the anatomy. *shrug* that's what learning grip stripping and armbars are for though I guess.
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