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Sir DonkeyPunch posted:I mostly want to know EXACTLY how big the thing is Here's the best picture I've seen of it and the mon cal next to a victory: 
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So maybe 1.5 victories long?
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Aug 1, 2015 08:15
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Reynold posted:Went 2-1 in the Armada tournament at Gencon today. Sitting at 19 points going into the last two matches tomorrow. Lots of double assault frigate builds present, and while I did see some unsportsmanlike conduct, most everybody was pretty chill. Hoping I can pull down another two wins tomorrow! I'm running: What kind of imperial lists did you see?
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Aug 1, 2015 11:23
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Weissritter posted:What kind of imperial lists did you see? The only one I faced so far was double vic2s with a gladiator (went 200-0 for the win), relying on Motti and leading shots, but I saw several TIE bomber heavy builds with Rhymer, and a single double gladiator with vic1.
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Aug 1, 2015 13:51
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https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/8/1/return-to-hoth/
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Aug 1, 2015 18:09
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Is that HK-47.
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Aug 1, 2015 18:11
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Statement: It's definitely a HK droid, but from this angle I can't tell if it's HK-47, or a 50 or 51. You do get 4 of them though.
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Aug 1, 2015 18:54
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Never though i'd see a Star Wars game where you can play as the drat Medical Droid that gives Luke his robot hand. ImpAss doesn't really seem like the kind of game that really needs a healer type either. Considering you have pretty good amount of healing whenever you rest.
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Aug 1, 2015 18:59
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Played a friendly Armada game last night with a squadronless Imperial fleet. 1x VSD (admiral motti), 3xgladiators, (insidious, demolisher, expanded launchers). We won by quite a bit. Once we pinned down, rammed and destroyed their Assault Frigate with the VSD and a Gladiator, their Neb B was easy to take out with 2x Gladiators (ramming again). Once that was done they had Luke and a couple of B-wings which were easy to outrun without any of their ships around to give squadron commands but not before they could finish off the VSD after concentrating on it all game. After that nothing else was in range and their CR90 was doing loops just out of range at the end. There are enough points to do a 2xVSD 2xgalaxy build, and we might try that too, since the hull points you have are just stupendous you can afford to be a bit reckless and slowly take out their ability to deal damage before they've even scraped the surface of your 10HP VSDs and 6HP Glads (with Motti). Crazy stuff.
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Aug 1, 2015 20:50
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Gencon Armada tournament day 2 wasn't as kind to me. First, I took a narrow victory over some guy who took forever ALL game and forced us to go to time. Admittedly, he played decently, being the only person in the tournament who was able to take out a single one of my fighter squadrons. and I predicted my turn 4 dials poorly, and if we had gone to turn 6, he would've taken the match by about 80 points. He realized this with 5 minutes left on the clock, three ship activations left to go, plus my six squadrons, and tried to rush me through the rest of the turn. So the judges called time before the next round had begun, and he starts accusing me of stalling, and asks the judges to do something about it. They were watching the whole time, since we were at the front tables, disagreed with him, and declined his request. No dice, jerk. I hope you placed poorly. My second and final match of the day saw me face off against a six CR90 list, with Mon Mothma as admiral. I behaved foolishly in the face of this swarm, and only managed to take out a single one of his ships losing an assault frigate in the last round of the game. A combination of having a ridiculously low initiative bid, fast ship related objectives, and lots of concentrate fire dials and ramming my ships proved quite effective. This was my only serious defeat, at 8-2. The guy was really friendly however, and I was surprised to hear that I was responsible for one of only two corvettes lost from his fleet the entire tournament. Next time, I'm gonna turtle up with my bombers against that sort of thing. He told me that a friend he came with brought virtually the same list. Spamming the tournament with corvette spam. Hilarious. Overall, I placed 18th. I thought I had done much better than that, but apparently I was caught up in the bottom of the mid 20s MoV group, with the top 3 or so having just obliterated everyone they played against. Reynold fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Aug 2, 2015 |
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Aug 2, 2015 02:10
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So corvette hordes aren't a terrible yet awesome idea then? Cool. 
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Aug 2, 2015 10:41
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Ugleb posted:So corvette hordes aren't a terrible yet awesome idea then? Cool. It's definitely viable, as their performance in the tournament proved, but I think it's got a good deal to do with how nobody really knew how to handle them. I think that if I'd turtled up, taken Dangerous Territory for his objective, stuck my three in a corner, and just waddled over to them and tucked my bombers in close, the outcome would have been quite different. Mon Mothma helps to keep your CR90s from getting one shotted, but they still can't handle much before they go down.
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Aug 2, 2015 11:26
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My initial reaction there was "how the gently caress do I deal with that" but I think the turtling with double victories and a small tie/bomber group would be pretty good, just try and reach out an touch one a turn with all the reds. Are corvettes limited to mainly blues? I forget - but trying to snipe out one a turn an then points deny might work.
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Aug 2, 2015 12:10
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FFG revealed the wave 7 stuff for X-Wing at Gencon, and it heavily featured ships from Star Wars Rebels, so I'm guessing we're gonna see some Armada entries from that in wave 3 or 4 - the Pelta command frigate (medium), Gozanti class cruiser (small), Ghost as part of a second Rogues and Villains squadron pack
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Aug 2, 2015 17:05
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NTRabbit posted:FFG revealed the wave 7 stuff for X-Wing at Gencon, and it heavily featured ships from Star Wars Rebels, so I'm guessing we're gonna see some Armada entries from that in wave 3 or 4 - the Pelta command frigate (medium), Gozanti class cruiser (small), Ghost as part of a second Rogues and Villains squadron pack Small point of correction, that was Wave 8 that got revealed.
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Aug 2, 2015 17:43
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HOOLY BOOLY posted:Never though i'd see a Star Wars game where you can play as the drat Medical Droid that gives Luke his robot hand. ImpAss doesn't really seem like the kind of game that really needs a healer type either. Considering you have pretty good amount of healing whenever you rest. He's really interesting to me. I've been playing the Imperials for most of the time, but having a dude heal others helps their efficiency, and he focuses when he doesn't attack, which means he's getting an edge to shoot when he's busy doing what he should be doing. General Beardo is pretty handy, too, but don't dismiss the importance support characters in games like these.
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Reynold posted:Gencon Armada tournament day 2 wasn't as kind to me. First, I took a narrow victory over some guy who took forever ALL game and forced us to go to time. Admittedly, he played decently, being the only person in the tournament who was able to take out a single one of my fighter squadrons. and I predicted my turn 4 dials poorly, and if we had gone to turn 6, he would've taken the match by about 80 points. He realized this with 5 minutes left on the clock, three ship activations left to go, plus my six squadrons, and tried to rush me through the rest of the turn. So the judges called time before the next round had begun, and he starts accusing me of stalling, and asks the judges to do something about it. They were watching the whole time, since we were at the front tables, disagreed with him, and declined his request. No dice, jerk. I hope you placed poorly. I played my first round against the other guy playing the corvette swarm. Like he said, similar list, but your guy was running red die corvettes and my guy was running all blue die. I very narrowly took out two of his vettes before getting tabled. For my second game I got paired with the guy you fought against and almost lost my mind at the prospect of another swarm battle. At the last moment they redid pairings and I got matched with someone else. Both dudes were super friendly. The second battle I did end up playing was not super great either. He started his entire force moving at speed 3 moving away from me. We spent there turns with me chasing him and nothing happening. Game was almost a tie but I forgot about all my salvation + x19 special abilities at a crucial turn and a assfrig that should have gone down didn't refilling in a 17 point loss for my fleet. The dude playing this game was also super chill, but the game was just really boring and long due to his setup. I would have rather fought the other swarm guy. I dropped from the tournament after that to go do some rpging. I ran into both the swarm guys later. Blue die vette swarm came in 8th overall. Red die swarm missed the first game and took a full loss for it so I don't think he could have placed very far.
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Aug 2, 2015 19:45
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With Wave 8 of X-Wing being all about Star Wars: Rebels I wonder if we're going to see a Star Wars: Rebels set for Imperial Assault down the line after the Hoth set.
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Aug 2, 2015 19:45
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Kai Tave posted:With Wave 8 of X-Wing being all about Star Wars: Rebels I wonder if we're going to see a Star Wars: Rebels set for Imperial Assault down the line after the Hoth set. Oooh, some Lothal maps would be neat.
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Aug 2, 2015 21:06
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Feeple posted:Oooh, some Lothal maps would be neat. Also a Sabine Wren hero 
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Aug 2, 2015 21:31
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Kai Tave posted:Also a Sabine Wren hero Or the most dangerous member of the cast, C1-10P.
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Aug 2, 2015 21:39
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I'm gonna be real disappointed if Chopper doesn't wind up as an Astromech card in X-Wing is all I'm saying.
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Aug 2, 2015 21:45
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Kai Tave posted:I'm gonna be real disappointed if Chopper doesn't wind up as an Astromech card in X-Wing is all I'm saying.
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Aug 2, 2015 23:35
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sarmhan posted:The Ghost has Chopper as a pilot option and crew cards for him and all the other members of the Rebels cast. Doesn't prevent him from getting an astromech version in the future though. Well I mean R2-D2 has both an Astromech and Crew card, so there's precedent. Dangit, I just wanna shove him in a Y-Wing.
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Aug 2, 2015 23:46
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Kai Tave posted:I'm gonna be real disappointed if Chopper doesn't wind up as an Astromech card in X-Wing is all I'm saying. I'll be disappointed if his ability isn't to pick random actions and performing them instead of what the player ordered.
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Aug 2, 2015 23:59
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Does anyone on here have a source for the top lists on the Nationals for Armada. I know #1 and #2, but I was hoping to see top 8 or so. Needless to say, everyone is FREAKING OUT over on the FFG forums that the top list had no squadrons, and the sky is falling. Squadrons are worthless and will never be used, etc.
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Aug 3, 2015 00:44
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Val Helmethead posted:Does anyone on here have a source for the top lists on the Nationals for Armada. I know #1 and #2, but I was hoping to see top 8 or so. Squadrons aren't very good, to be quite honest. This is based on my experience. There may be some trick that I haven't discovered, but it costs a ton to give them good activations and it just ends up not being worth the points overall.
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Panzeh posted:Squadrons aren't very good, to be quite honest. This is based on my experience. There may be some trick that I haven't discovered, but it costs a ton to give them good activations and it just ends up not being worth the points overall. This was the consensus my BFF and I came to and one of the main reasons we don't play armada any more.
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Panzeh posted:Squadrons aren't very good, to be quite honest. This is based on my experience. There may be some trick that I haven't discovered, but it costs a ton to give them good activations and it just ends up not being worth the points overall. I am of the firm opinion that squadrons are an upgrade to your ships, and should be treated as such. There are ways to build a perfectly viable ship with squadron support, but making squadrons the focal point of your build (i.e. with Carrier type builds) is asking for trouble. Take the #2 build for example - it had two offensive focused AFIIs, but also had some A-Wings to tie up enemy fighters (if it ran into some) which are perfectly good craft for engaging ships as well. Rhymer Balls are another good example - that is what I am most surprised we haven't heard of in the context of Nationals, since you really don't need squadron activation to use it effectively, as the squadron blob becomes a makeshift CR90B - parks itself somewhere the opponent has to go through and fires every turn. I think the issue of Squadrons is not that they aren't usable, but that they aren't AMAZING the way FFG built them up to be - namely "You can't spend more than 1/3 of your points on them", because there is no good reason why you'd want to do that.
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Val Helmethead posted:I am of the firm opinion that squadrons are an upgrade to your ships, and should be treated as such. There are ways to build a perfectly viable ship with squadron support, but making squadrons the focal point of your build (i.e. with Carrier type builds) is asking for trouble. The top builds in that tournament with squads used a desultory A-wing presence(Tycho and 2 A-wings), and honestly A-wings are the only rebel squad that's even remotely worth taking.
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I faced no squadrons except a-wings the whole tournament, and I wiped them every time with mine. It was like a free 50 something points each game. I definitely had the most success with my rebel bomber-heavy build when moving slow and forcing the enemy to engage my fleet on my own terms. I agree that squadrons are a sort of upgrade to your ships, since as everyone has seen, a couple squadrons just left hanging out of range on turn 4 because they moved poorly becomes worthless for the rest of the game. However, if you can afford to move slowly and keep them close, and you have a squadron activation ready at the right time, they can be absolutely devastating. Also, I can't imagine that Home One or the Imperial Star Destroyer are going to be moving all that fast, making it easier to keep your squadrons in screening/command range. Think about landing in long range of Home One to take your shots, and it's four b-wing escorts maneuvering into your path for the next round.
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Aug 3, 2015 15:34
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I use squadrons because the image of a swarm of fighters nipping at the heels of a huge capital ship is cool as all hell and totally awesome. When my friend's x and y wings burst through a tie screen to put a couple of criticals onto my victory, I curse because I hosed that up but I also think this is cool as poo poo. When my tie swarm mashes skywalker as he's hiding in an asteroid field then go on to do nothing to a capital ship at all, that's also totally awesome. That's enough for me to spend 50 points on them.
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Aug 3, 2015 16:10
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Reynold posted:I faced no squadrons except a-wings the whole tournament, and I wiped them every time with mine. It was like a free 50 something points each game. I definitely had the most success with my rebel bomber-heavy build when moving slow and forcing the enemy to engage my fleet on my own terms. I agree that squadrons are a sort of upgrade to your ships, since as everyone has seen, a couple squadrons just left hanging out of range on turn 4 because they moved poorly becomes worthless for the rest of the game. However, if you can afford to move slowly and keep them close, and you have a squadron activation ready at the right time, they can be absolutely devastating. The ISD I think was speed 3 in the images we've seen. So faster than a Vic at least. But the base is going to be a lot larger too.
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The Gate posted:The ISD I think was speed 3 in the images we've seen. So faster than a Vic at least. But the base is going to be a lot larger too. With X-wing, base size matters for speed. A Large-base ship moving at speed 1 goes as far forward as a Small-base ship moving at speed 2. It kinda gives large ships a speed boost and makes it even harder for them to troll along and "fly casual". Armada does do that because it measures from the front of the ship at start to the front of the ship at the end. The base size doesn't make it faster or slower.
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I think his point with the larger base was that it's a lot more surface area for squadrons to attack and therefore will (theoretically) be harder to screen from bombers. Not the speed.
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Aug 3, 2015 18:28
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Chomp8645 posted:I think his point with the larger base was that it's a lot more surface area for squadrons to attack and therefore will (theoretically) be harder to screen from bombers. Not the speed. That's a thing, yeah. I'm usually very aggressive with my squadrons, so I don't try to screen directly. My philosophy is more towards "you never have to screen from a cloud of dust bunnies, so blow your enemy's squadrons to dust bunnies".
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Aug 3, 2015 18:32
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Chomp8645 posted:I think his point with the larger base was that it's a lot more surface area for squadrons to attack and therefore will (theoretically) be harder to screen from bombers. Not the speed. Yup. Speed three will probably not move the base entirely out of range of squadrons at the nose when it starts the move. Or at least it will be close. Depends on how much the turns swing the rear end end around I suppose.
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The Gate posted:Yup. Speed three will probably not move the base entirely out of range of squadrons at the nose when it starts the move. Or at least it will be close. Depends on how much the turns swing the rear end end around I suppose. Dem Imperial-class Star Destroyers got a big ol' rear end on 'em.
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Cobbsprite posted:Dem Imperial-class Star Destroyers got a big ol' rear end on 'em. Perfect for putting your torpedoes in.
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Chomp8645 posted:Perfect for putting your torpedoes in. A dice roll is not consent.
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