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Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
I can't believe Chris Brown is still making music.

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PUGGERNAUT
Nov 14, 2013

I AM INCREDIBLY BORING AND SHOULD STOP TALKING ABOUT FOOD IN THE POLITICS THREAD

Tired Moritz posted:

I can't believe Chris Brown is still making music.

He's a genuinely talented live performer, but he's such a prick and his last few singles/albums have been painfully generic. And yet he's still super popular! There are a lot of really talented up-and-coming R&B singers (Miguel, Derek King, August Alsina), I'm not sure why one of them hasn't de-throned him?

DominoDancing
Apr 26, 2008

Each morning after Sunblest
Feel the benefit
Mental arithmetic
Guys, don't miss the new Little Boots album!

It's called Working Girl, and actually has a couple of very good tracks (I didn't like the Business Pleasure EP very much). Check out The Game, Help Too or Paradise! The new single No Pressure is pretty good as well.
I think the video is not on YouTube yet, but you should be able to watch it on Vevo: http://www.vevo.com/watch/little-boots/no-pressure/GBVHV1500021

Sprat Sandwich
Mar 20, 2009

Christ the saxophone in 'Run Away With Me' is loving amazing. The song in itself is incredible.

DominoDancing posted:

Guys, don't miss the new Little Boots album!

It's called Working Girl, and actually has a couple of very good tracks (I didn't like the Business Pleasure EP very much). Check out The Game, Help Too or Paradise! The new single No Pressure is pretty good as well.
I think the video is not on YouTube yet, but you should be able to watch it on Vevo: http://www.vevo.com/watch/little-boots/no-pressure/GBVHV1500021

I haven't listened to the album yet but I also didn't like Business Pleasure very much so this is giving me some hope.

Oh and there might be a new Pet Shop Boys album coming next March.

PUGGERNAUT
Nov 14, 2013

I AM INCREDIBLY BORING AND SHOULD STOP TALKING ABOUT FOOD IN THE POLITICS THREAD

Sprat Sandwich posted:

Christ the saxophone in 'Run Away With Me' is loving amazing. The song in itself is incredible.


I haven't listened to the album yet but I also didn't like Business Pleasure very much so this is giving me some hope.

Oh and there might be a new Pet Shop Boys album coming next March.

Run Away With Me is the next single, right? I saw someone mention that on ONTD but I don't think I saw an official confirmation.

Very excited at the prospect of a new Pet Shop Boys album! Electric was so good, one of their best. I feel like they're just getting better and better as the years go on.

Sprat Sandwich
Mar 20, 2009

PUGGERNAUT posted:

Run Away With Me is the next single, right? I saw someone mention that on ONTD but I don't think I saw an official confirmation.

Very excited at the prospect of a new Pet Shop Boys album! Electric was so good, one of their best. I feel like they're just getting better and better as the years go on.

Yeah, the video for 'Run Away with Me' is coming on the 21st.

I'm getting chills thinking about the intro sax.

drat.

DominoDancing
Apr 26, 2008

Each morning after Sunblest
Feel the benefit
Mental arithmetic
A new Pet Shop Boys album is always something to look forward to! Although we already know that Stuart Price has been working with them again, I still think it will be a bit more poppy than Electric was. Price can do pop, and Yes was three albums ago.

nomapple
Apr 27, 2012
New Chvrches track. Album out September 25th. I can't wait. https://soundcloud.com/chvrches/chvrches-leave-a-trace

Cerepol
Dec 2, 2011


nomapple posted:

New Chvrches track. Album out September 25th. I can't wait. [url][/url]

Hype is building

Sprat Sandwich
Mar 20, 2009

Here's the video for 'Run Away With Me'. It's cute.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeccAtqd5K8

Her hair is incredible though :eyepop:

TheIndividual
Apr 22, 2010

Sprat Sandwich posted:

Here's the video for 'Run Away With Me'. It's cute.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeccAtqd5K8

Her hair is incredible though :eyepop:

Video's a little slight, but god drat if this song doesn't still slay even after listening to it tons of times. Rooting for "Boy Problems" with a cool video for the next single.

RenegadeStyle1
Jun 7, 2005

Baby Come Back
Has anyone heard that Sam Hunt song "Take Your Time"? I really like the flow of talking about singing but the lyrics are almost painful.

RevKrule
Jul 9, 2001

Thrilling the forums since 2001

At first I was disappointed by both Cool for the Summer and Good for You but after driving 2k miles in a week, I've at least changed my mind on Cool For The Summer. I can't get it out of my head and has gotten me super excited for Demi's new album. Good For You just seems like Selena saying "see! I'm super adult now!"

PUGGERNAUT
Nov 14, 2013

I AM INCREDIBLY BORING AND SHOULD STOP TALKING ABOUT FOOD IN THE POLITICS THREAD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB63ztKnGvo

Disclosure and Sam Smith work so well together. It's not as good as Latch, but then again what is?

Art Core...velay
Jun 16, 2013
Long article about The Weeknd in the times and his new album being more hit-oriented:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/m...ctionfront&_r=0

quote:

‘‘In the Night’’ moves in similar horror-­story fashion. ‘‘She was numb, and she was so codependent,’’ he sings, pulling back from the notes with a splash of Jackson’s vocal agility. The music suggests celestial escape. Later, Tesfaye reveals the wound: ‘‘She was young, and she was forced to be a woman.’’ Underneath its sunbeam-­bright euphoria hides a tale of childhood sexual abuse. For Tesfaye, ‘‘In the Night’’ was the sort of compromise he was excited to make, a glistening surface salving the wounds that are his stock in trade. When he first played the song for Ron Perry, the president of Songs Music Publishing, which handles Tesfaye’s publishing, Perry couldn’t contain himself: ‘‘It’s ‘Billie Jean’! It’s ‘Billie [expletive] Jean’!’’

Song in question:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2dK0Fp1bik

I dunno if its Billie Jean but it's pretty loving good and should be a monster hit. That chorus!

PUGGERNAUT
Nov 14, 2013

I AM INCREDIBLY BORING AND SHOULD STOP TALKING ABOUT FOOD IN THE POLITICS THREAD
The Weeknd is awesome. He's got than angelic voice singing over pretty music, then he'll throw in the filthiest drat lyrics you've ever heard.

Elucidarius
Oct 14, 2006

So I'd never heard the Weeknd(only heard of) until this post but holy poo poo. I'm sold.

Edit: This thread keeps me current with pop music. I am hooked on Carly Rae Jepsen's new CD too because of this thread.

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

Elucidarius posted:

So I'd never heard the Weeknd(only heard of) until this post but holy poo poo. I'm sold.

Edit: This thread keeps me current with pop music. I am hooked on Carly Rae Jepsen's new CD too because of this thread.
Start from the beginning with him, though. He's gotten a lot poppier, and while he still makes some interesting tunes here and there, his most interesting stuff came out a while ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX9DgavXiN4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ex38L8xtNI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2_YyRBYZjM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsdmtOYtxNk

Even some of the songs on his major label debut (which came out in 2013) are loving dope and less poppy/more experimental than what he's putting out now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYO77zNhWl4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0TaqaxVv_o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN84vAqO9NY

It's not like he's totally done making less poppy/more experimental sounding stuff. He's still got some left in him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzTuBuRdAyA

Rageaholic fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Aug 3, 2015

PUGGERNAUT
Nov 14, 2013

I AM INCREDIBLY BORING AND SHOULD STOP TALKING ABOUT FOOD IN THE POLITICS THREAD
Natalie Imbruglia just put out a surprisingly solid album of covers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkBxRHvdvXM

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
i have been thinking lately, whenever a recording artist in the 1960s decided they wanted (or were told) to add "pop / crossover appeal" to their music, that usually meant piling a whole bunch of orchestration onto every song and covering Broadway or pop standards (stuff like "A Taste of Honey" or "What Now, My Love", for example). You know, stuff like Ray Charles crossing over when he did "Georgia On My Mind" with a string orchestra, or Berry Gordy telling Motown artists to do show tunes on their live albums because it's apparently what middle-aged white people liked. Then in the 1980s, "pop appeal" seemed to mean you had a Steve Lukather-style guitar solo in there somewhere (probably played by Steve Lukather or Michael Thompson) and maybe some orchestra hits.

Is there any contemporary equivalent? Like, something you can have in your song that'll improve its chances of becoming a hit? Or have we moved past that kind of approach?

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!
A "whoa-oh-oh" chorus with the singalong voices already baked into the mix. For sure. (Unless that was last year's thing and I'm already behind.)

Cerepol
Dec 2, 2011


PUGGERNAUT posted:

Natalie Imbruglia just put out a surprisingly solid album of covers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkBxRHvdvXM

Holy poo poo I just realize thats the "Torn" lady. It kept bugging me because she looked familiar and then it hit me!

PUGGERNAUT
Nov 14, 2013

I AM INCREDIBLY BORING AND SHOULD STOP TALKING ABOUT FOOD IN THE POLITICS THREAD

Wheat Loaf posted:

i have been thinking lately, whenever a recording artist in the 1960s decided they wanted (or were told) to add "pop / crossover appeal" to their music, that usually meant piling a whole bunch of orchestration onto every song and covering Broadway or pop standards (stuff like "A Taste of Honey" or "What Now, My Love", for example). You know, stuff like Ray Charles crossing over when he did "Georgia On My Mind" with a string orchestra, or Berry Gordy telling Motown artists to do show tunes on their live albums because it's apparently what middle-aged white people liked. Then in the 1980s, "pop appeal" seemed to mean you had a Steve Lukather-style guitar solo in there somewhere (probably played by Steve Lukather or Michael Thompson) and maybe some orchestra hits.

Is there any contemporary equivalent? Like, something you can have in your song that'll improve its chances of becoming a hit? Or have we moved past that kind of approach?

Two or three years ago it was handclaps and folksy "whoa-oa-oa" chants... dark times indeed. I guess now it would be either subtle UK garage influences, or a minimalist alt-R&B sound (a la The Weeknd and that new Selena Gomez song)?

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
I think there was a point where it was Auto-Tune; maybe whenever T-Pain got big, since he popularised its use (I know Cher had done the same thing first on "Believe" but I don't think anyone really copied her in a big way at the time). My sole grounds for assuming this is because, on Michael Bublé albums, he'll do all the old big band swing and trad pop standards and the "production" (for want of a better word) won't be as obvious, but then you get to the pop song he's done for the radio, and the Auto-Tune is really obvious on it, the most notable example being "Haven't Met You Yet". I think Auto-Tune as an effect has sort of died out, though. Kanye still uses it in that way, but I think it's gone back to being used mainly for pitch-correction now.

I guess I should look at artists who crossed over from one genre to the pop category and see what they did - Taylor Swift's the big example in recent years. Certainly the most successful. However, I don't really follow the charts as avidly as I used to a couple of years ago (when I would follow the Billboard site and Paul Grein's blog every week to see what was happening) so I'm honestly not sure what the current trends are.

Of course, this ignores that "pop" can basically mean "anything that gets played on the radio and loads of people buy the single", doesn't it? :v:

Actually, speaking of the "handclaps and whoa-oh choruses" you mentioned, I recently heard "Some Nights" for the first time in two or three years. That's a song that hasn't aged well. I thought it sounded great when it came out, but now... Oo-err...

PUGGERNAUT
Nov 14, 2013

I AM INCREDIBLY BORING AND SHOULD STOP TALKING ABOUT FOOD IN THE POLITICS THREAD

Wheat Loaf posted:


Actually, speaking of the "handclaps and whoa-oh choruses" you mentioned, I recently heard "Some Nights" for the first time in two or three years. That's a song that hasn't aged well. I thought it sounded great when it came out, but now... Oo-err...

This truth. We Are Young sounds a lot less dated, and since it's not overplayed all the time now it's much easier to listen to.

I heard Nate Reuss's solo album is surprisingly good - can anyone confirm?

Lord Krangdar
Oct 24, 2007

These are the secrets of death we teach.

Wheat Loaf posted:

Is there any contemporary equivalent? Like, something you can have in your song that'll improve its chances of becoming a hit? Or have we moved past that kind of approach?

Features with more popular artists.

AndyP
Nov 7, 2011
In terms of hip-hop/more "urban" music it's probably DJ Mustard style beats with the constantly repeating "hey hey hey" chants.


Sprat Sandwich posted:

Here's the video for 'Run Away With Me'. It's cute.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeccAtqd5K8

Her hair is incredible though :eyepop:

Holy poo poo, I love this. :stwoon:

"I Really Like You" was cute, but this could end up being one of my favorite songs of the year.

Irish Joe
Jul 23, 2007

by Lowtax

Wheat Loaf posted:

Is there any contemporary equivalent? Like, something you can have in your song that'll improve its chances of becoming a hit? Or have we moved past that kind of approach?

The first thing that pops into mind is the rap interlude (or the reverse--a pop artist doing a sample for a rap song).

Sprat Sandwich
Mar 20, 2009

Here is an 'interesting' Lana Del Rey video and a song called 'High By The Beach'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnxpHIl5Ynw

Oh and I forgot about this Say Lou Lou track somehow and it came on shuffle last night and god drat if this isn't a real loving jam. The album was pretty cool as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOa3vAQUJSE

Answers Me
Apr 24, 2012

Wheat Loaf posted:

i have been thinking lately, whenever a recording artist in the 1960s decided they wanted (or were told) to add "pop / crossover appeal" to their music, that usually meant piling a whole bunch of orchestration onto every song and covering Broadway or pop standards (stuff like "A Taste of Honey" or "What Now, My Love", for example). You know, stuff like Ray Charles crossing over when he did "Georgia On My Mind" with a string orchestra, or Berry Gordy telling Motown artists to do show tunes on their live albums because it's apparently what middle-aged white people liked. Then in the 1980s, "pop appeal" seemed to mean you had a Steve Lukather-style guitar solo in there somewhere (probably played by Steve Lukather or Michael Thompson) and maybe some orchestra hits.

Is there any contemporary equivalent? Like, something you can have in your song that'll improve its chances of becoming a hit? Or have we moved past that kind of approach?

Start releasing songs written by Max Martin

the truth
Dec 16, 2007

Sprat Sandwich posted:

Here is an 'interesting' Lana Del Rey video and a song called 'High By The Beach'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnxpHIl5Ynw


Can't wait for someone to mash that up with Paper Planes

Yoshifan823
Feb 19, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Sprat Sandwich posted:

Here is an 'interesting' Lana Del Rey video and a song called 'High By The Beach'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnxpHIl5Ynw

Whenever I watch one of her videos, she looks like a warped real life version of a Disney character. Like, someone that attractive can't have been born, she had to have been created.

Yes I'm aware that she basically was, considering "Lana Del Rey" is a put-on much the same as Lady Gaga.

abraham linksys
Sep 6, 2010

:darksouls:
I'm not looking to troll; I swear to god this is an honest question:

Can someone explain to me what is good about Lana Del Rey

Yoshifan823
Feb 19, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

abraham linksys posted:

I'm not looking to troll; I swear to god this is an honest question:

Can someone explain to me what is good about Lana Del Rey

I just really like the extreme melodrama she brings to her music, and how it feels like it's from a completely different era. I wasn't the biggest fan of Video Games or Blue Jeans, but there were some really good songs on Born to Die and the Paradise LP, and Ultraviolence was probably the second best pop album of last year (though it was an incredibly slow year).

It's just very different, and her image and songs work together to create a real persona, like the 60's torch singer to Lady Gaga's 80's pop icon.

edit; She's basically "what if Nancy Sinatra were a Manson Girl?"

Yoshifan823 fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Aug 16, 2015

the truth
Dec 16, 2007

abraham linksys posted:

I'm not looking to troll; I swear to god this is an honest question:

Can someone explain to me what is good about Lana Del Rey

She can't do much, but when she does it she does it very well. She is inconsistent. I liked Born To Die, but I didn't enjoy Paradise or Ultraviolence that much. I think she would have done a great job with Tove Lo's "Habits," but it was fine as Tove's breakout song. "Wildest Dreams" on 1989 was a complete ripoff of Lana's "Without You."

Ratios and Tendency
Apr 23, 2010

:swoon: MURALI :swoon:


Sprat Sandwich posted:

Oh and I forgot about this Say Lou Lou track somehow and it came on shuffle last night and god drat if this isn't a real loving jam. The album was pretty cool as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOa3vAQUJSE

Cool song.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Answers Me posted:

Start releasing songs written by Max Martin

Well, yeah, but I don't think that's a contemporary thing because Max Martin's been a consistent and reliable hitmaker for about 15 years now. He's good at identifying what's big at the moment and writing accordingly: compare what he wrote for the Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears in the first half of the 2000s, for Kelly Clarkson and P!nk in the second, and Katy Perry and Taylor Swift in the past five years. He's adapting to what's popular at the time, and he's doing it very well - the part that I'm curious about is the "what's popular" bit, and what makes a song a hit.

Of course, I could very well be underestimating the extent of Max Martin's influence in driving pop music trends. He's arguably been doing that since 2000 or so, hasn't he? (Though there were windows when guys like Timbaland and Scott Storch were bigger.)

Mermaid Autopsy
Jun 9, 2001

This is the thread for Serious People Talking Seriously About Pop Music, so …

abraham linksys posted:

I'm not looking to troll; I swear to god this is an honest question:

Can someone explain to me what is good about Lana Del Rey

She is incredibly prolific, and (in addition to what's out there officially) has around two hundred unreleased songs, EP's from 2005 and an album from 2008. And through all of these there is a very singular and well-defined personality immersed in her own rich imaginal world. She seems to move effortlessly between genres because she is defined by herself, and not her accompaniment. She has a degree in Philosophy and for anyone that has studied the same subject, it's obvious how her videos (all of which she storyboards herself, apparently) are heavily influenced by metaphysical themes. Well, maybe not HBTB so much.

"People say your imagination is your greatest tool to success, and I think it’s because things manifest in reality from the visions you have in your mind’s eye. And so the most important thing is to really have a rich internal world, and live there, because reality will never meet your expectations."

Think of what’s going on now … Where am I going to get my inspiration? I couldn’t think of a thing today that I would really genuinely want to be a part of.

Short answer: because there is nobody out there like her. I wish there was, because then I wouldn't be so bored with music at the moment. Even Pitchfork called her a 'pop music original'—but they still use "pop music" as a pejorative term, despite the mountains of true ephemera that they have pushed since 2012 that has already been forgotten, while Lana still remains. Much as with David Bowie, her originality can be measured in how weakly imitators copy facets of her work without ever understanding the spark that really made it work.

She is much better heard on wax, but that's another subject.

Mermaid Autopsy fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Aug 16, 2015

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
she sounds like a hipster. no hate, but yeah.

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abraham linksys
Sep 6, 2010

:darksouls:

Mermaid Autopsy posted:

Short answer: because there is nobody out there like her. I wish there was, because then I wouldn't be so bored with music at the moment.

dude there is so much loving music out in the world that is infinitely more interesting than Lana Del Rey

this opinion is freaking me out. holding up a sad bored rich white girl as the end-all be-all of pop music at the moment. what on earth.

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