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Unless Boeing are etching Chinese on the metal of their doors now...
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It's probably MH17
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Aug 3, 2015 08:49
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Russians lost a Mi-28 + pilot at an airshow: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-03/russian-air-force-helicopter-crashes-killing-one/6666972 Seriously, rotary wings are just havoc.
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Aug 3, 2015 11:00
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SybilVimes posted:The 'modern' approach would be to laser engrave serial numbers directly on the part, but we're talking about a 20 year old design with 20-year old technology, so it's likely that even a lightweight composite plate wasn't an option and it was (technology wise) some guy at Boeing with a Dymo. Generally on things like flight control surfaces, panels, etc, the part number and batch/serial numbers are printed on. Whether that printing is laser etched, ink stamped, handwritten, etc. depends on where it was built, what it's made from, and what's appropriate.
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Aug 3, 2015 13:06
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Linedance posted:Generally on things like flight control surfaces, panels, etc, the part number and batch/serial numbers are printed on. Whether that printing is laser etched, ink stamped, handwritten, etc. depends on where it was built, what it's made from, and what's appropriate. This. We print part number/job number with a machine similar to the ones that put date codes on packages of perishable food but a sealant is applied over top to prevent it from wearing away. The only parts that don't get part marked are ones that are too small to fit the text on and appearance parts that go on the outside of the airplane. Even if one label has worn off every part in an assembly get its detail part number printed on it for traceability reasons as well.
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Aug 3, 2015 13:24
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loving Boeing why didn't they anticipate a part floating in the ocean for over a year when they designed it 
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Aug 3, 2015 13:29
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When I get to work I will quote the relevant BAC spec but it's very likely that they did I fact plan for something like that or a similar situation, the part mark spec is 30+ pages long.
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Aug 3, 2015 13:32
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:loving Boeing why didn't they anticipate a part floating in the ocean for over a year when they designed it No no, this is somehow Airbus' fault, I'm sure of it.
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Aug 3, 2015 13:34
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Chiwie posted:4K would be awesome! I'll see what I can do. 4K might be a bit much for those poor pixels.
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Aug 3, 2015 13:36
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Just looked at the photos. Yeah, there's no way they won't find a serial/batch number somewhere on that 
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Aug 3, 2015 13:48
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Sanguine posted:Seriously, rotary wings are just havoc. Ever flown a R/C helicopter? Coaxial? Conventional? Gyrocopter? They're complete wackaloons to fly. If you get into serious maneuvering on a coaxial helicopter, the free pivoting rotor blades love to interact. (the havoc has a rigid head) Conventional helicopters, you're steering a giant gyro around the sky. I can't even describe gyrocopters, I was at oshkosh and the announcer was addressing gyrocopter flying. "Is a gyrocopter more like an airplane, or a helicotper to fly?" The answer is "no." The announcer described that he still has bad habits from flying airplanes that make for mistakes with the gyrocopter. They're all crazy.
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Aug 3, 2015 14:47
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"You know the mode of flight a helicopter is in when it loses all of its engines and is crashing to earth? Let's do that all the time!"
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Aug 3, 2015 15:10
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s8Ahcxg84g Looks like it lost its tail rotor.
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Aug 3, 2015 15:12
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Russians also lost an Ekranoplan at the weekend during tests http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=178202 Fortunately no fatalities
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Aug 3, 2015 15:48
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Nerobro posted:(the havoc has a rigid head) The MI-28 has a fully articulated main rotor, not a rigid one.
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Aug 3, 2015 18:29
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Linedance posted:No no, this is somehow Airbus' fault, I'm sure of it. Oh I got this: "Boeing had to stop using good old American metal rivets on every part because those loving plastic socialist deathtraps made it prohibitively expensive to do so  "
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Aug 3, 2015 18:38
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MrYenko posted:The MI-28 has a fully articulated main rotor, not a rigid one. He must have been talking about an RC "havoc," the Mi-28 isn't coax either.
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Aug 3, 2015 18:54
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RandomPauI posted:Hey fellow Ventura goon! Think you'll go to or volunteer at this years Camarillo Airshow? I'm just down here to visit my parents and help with the 85th anniversary party, and I think they're going to be out of state for the Camarillo show.
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Ardeem posted:I'm just down here to visit my parents and help with the 85th anniversary party, and I think they're going to be out of state for the Camarillo show. Sweet, I was unaware of this, and even better it does not conflict with JPL Open House, also in October. BTW, JPL Open House (Oct 10/11) is just about the most awesome thing ever, don't miss it if you live in SoCal.
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Aug 3, 2015 22:04
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Hadlock posted:
None. Only five hull losses (all since 2008), all accounted for except this one. A short landing, a ground fire, the tail strike in San Francisco, then the two Malaysian jets.
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Aug 3, 2015 22:20
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Godholio posted:None. Only five hull losses (all since 2008), all accounted for except this one. A short landing, a ground fire, the tail strike in San Francisco, then the two Malaysian jets.
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Aug 3, 2015 22:47
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vessbot posted:He must have been talking about an RC "havoc," the Mi-28 isn't coax either. MrYenko posted:The MI-28 has a fully articulated main rotor, not a rigid one. Nope, I just got it wrong, and then even wronger. I was actually thinking the Kamov KA-50. But the image in my head was something completely different than the articulated head that's on there. The Sikorsky high speed research helicopters had rigid heads. But I can't find any other coaxial helicopters so equipped.
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Aug 3, 2015 22:47
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standard.deviant posted:Is it possible that it was a dropped object from a non hull loss? I know we dropped a 10+ foot section of flap from an RC-135 back when I was in training there (2003-ish). It's possible, but something like that would also be in the news, with headlines like "AIRLINER TERROR: Airplane Falls Apart In Mid-Flight, Passengers Terrified For Hours As Pilot Chooses To Keep Flying"
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Aug 3, 2015 23:22
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standard.deviant posted:Is it possible that it was a dropped object from a non hull loss? I know we dropped a 10+ foot section of flap from an RC-135 back when I was in training there (2003-ish). It's possible, but would've gone reported. Here's the thing, we all know it's from the mishap aircraft. The investigators know that too. It is the absolute, definitive proving of that that takes time.
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MrChips posted:It's possible, but something like that would also be in the news, with headlines like "AIRLINER TERROR: Airplane Falls Apart In Mid-Flight, Passengers Terrified For Hours As Pilot Chooses To Keep Flying" Yeah, it's possible that a non-control surface might fall off and not be major news (unlikely, but possible), but a flaperon is a control surface and would necessitate a declared emergency landing. I suppose it might be vaguely possible for a cargo carrier to lose a flaperon from a 77F and it not be major headline news, but it'd probably still be known of in the aviation news circles.
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Aug 3, 2015 23:33
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These pictures do not get old.
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Aug 3, 2015 23:34
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Yay! Bubble bath!
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Aug 3, 2015 23:36
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Again? Do we have a serial bubblist on our hands?
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Aug 4, 2015 00:00
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open cabin doors too so you know that cockpit is filled completely 
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Aug 4, 2015 00:54
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slidebite posted:Jesus christ. loving idiots like that are how draconian laws get passed.... but it still wont stop idiots. These are the guys that would probably ignore said laws anyway. If I'm reading the chart right, that's a Class B from surface to 7000, so they were already operating illegally.
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The solution is drone hunter/killer drones, like birds at an airport are bad but a falcon or two to control the flocks of pigeons is a great idea Put a bounty on snagging - with video evidence and a reliable way of recording the altitude the snatch took part at - errant machines. Have the Drone Hunting license be hard to get with visibility rules or run it as a fully transpondered government department, perhaps as military training. Well, we can dream...
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Speaking of drones, this popped up on FB 
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simplefish posted:The solution is drone hunter/killer drones, like birds at an airport are bad but a falcon or two to control the flocks of pigeons is a great idea I think the falcons can take out the drones too. http://youtu.be/smv7cBzg-Ok
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hobbesmaster posted:I think the falcons can take out the drones too. What if we modify simplefish's idea slightly and hire a falconer with a bigass bald eagle to keep the airspace around airports clean?
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Aug 4, 2015 02:50
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Indoor IMC.
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What is this
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Inacio posted:What is this Hangar-sized fire suppression foam system. E: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYAOHYKBYas
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Inacio posted:What is this The morning after an Ibiza foam party in a club https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m4zU2-MaK0I This particular club seems to have a kind of helicopter theme or something
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what happens now? I don't suppose you have to disassemble the helicopters to clean the poo poo up?
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