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Lurdiak posted:This is just that part in FF7 where we get to see Sephiroth's tragic backstory. Anthony Carver: The One Handed Angel
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Kind of confused how anyone thought he didn't have a tragic backstory before this? We all knew he had to watch his wife die while he could do nothing and then see his daughter go through the same fate. It didn't excuse his horribly lovely behavior towards Annie then and it doesn't excuse it now.
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Aug 3, 2015 08:43
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yeah the idea that Tony has had lovely horrible experiences is both A) not new and B) not justification for being a tremendous, abusive rear end.
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Aug 3, 2015 08:48
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Also note: "She didn't want her child born in this place" rather than, say, "our child". That's not exactly a healthy attitude to take towards your own daughter - "Nope, nothing to do with me - she's Surma's kid".
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Aug 3, 2015 08:50
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Itzena posted:Also note: "She didn't want her child born in this place" rather than, say, "our child". That's not exactly a healthy attitude to take towards your own daughter - "Nope, nothing to do with me - she's Surma's kid". Makes me think she's actually not his but James's. There's obviously still a lot of history to be uncovered here.
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Aug 3, 2015 09:08
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Or maybe it's just a very stern british way of putting it. If Surma kept saying "I don't want my child raised in the court, that place is awful", Anthony might just be retelling it in the same tense. I don't think he's a heroic figure by any stretch, but each new page makes him seem progressively less and less evil and more just.. done with the life he had.
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Aug 3, 2015 09:12
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Osmosisch posted:Makes me think she's actually not his but James's. There's obviously still a lot of history to be uncovered here. Oh man, that would be a ridiculously dramatic reveal that Annie doesn't need. But I seriously doubt it. She looks so much like young Tony.
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Aug 3, 2015 09:15
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I've never thought that Anthony was evil. Just maladjusted, and maladjusted people can do bad things as a result of their lack of/resistance to socialization. Remember, this might be the only person in the world that Anthony is capable of talking to honestly instead of just instinctively shutting down and retreating.
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Aug 3, 2015 09:17
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Itzena posted:Also note: "She didn't want her child born in this place" rather than, say, "our child". That's not exactly a healthy attitude to take towards your own daughter - "Nope, nothing to do with me - she's Surma's kid". Maybe she just said "I don't want my daughter to be born there" and that's how he remembers he saying it? Like chillax, it's not all DEEP LORE and PSYCHOLOGY TIME. It's a pretty straight forward thing going down right now.
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GodFish posted:Kind of confused how anyone thought he didn't have a tragic backstory before this? We all knew he had to watch his wife die while he could do nothing and then see his daughter go through the same fate. It didn't excuse his horribly lovely behavior towards Annie then and it doesn't excuse it now. Yyep. I assumed there was a human somewhere behind the facade, but still.
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Aug 3, 2015 09:18
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JT Jag posted:I've never thought that Anthony was evil. Just maladjusted, and maladjusted people can do bad things as a result of their lack of/resistance to socialization. I've always been of the mind that evil is in actions, not intent.
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Aug 3, 2015 09:19
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Lurdiak posted:I've always been of the mind that evil is in actions, not intent.
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Aug 3, 2015 09:19
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JT Jag posted:"What is the nature of evil" is an entire different philosophical question. What can change the nature of a man, tho?
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Aug 3, 2015 09:26
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Lurdiak posted:What can change the nature of a man, tho?
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Aug 3, 2015 10:22
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That Anthony Carver isn't abusive out of D&D-like chaotic evil malice, but out of personal flaws and that the intentions behind his actions aren't bad even though the results are isn't a new development, folks. Lots of goons seem to operate on the superheroic assumption that evil exists because of mustache-twirling, puppy-kicking villains going "mwahahaha I love being evil it makes me feel like an evil man who is evil because I am evil! Evil!" and that's why they can't compute anymore that Anthony Carver isn't one such caricature despite his horrible treatment of his daughter. You know the saying that "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"? Anthony isn't evil for evil's sake, he's still a bad father even though he most probably means well for Annie. Donald Donlan, by allowing Annie to see his dad without his mask, is doing great work, because Anthony's worst failing as a father is keeping his mask up around his daughter.
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Aug 3, 2015 11:33
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You guys are dumb , stop talking about the pointless superficial aspects of the comic yeesh.
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Aug 3, 2015 11:44
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Osmosisch posted:Makes me think she's actually not his but James's. There's obviously still a lot of history to be uncovered here. That would be going into soap opera levels of drama there. I think this comic is dramatic enough, don't you?
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Aug 3, 2015 13:40
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Maybe half elementals don't need a human male to reproduce, they just start incubating a baby whenever they start running out of fuel in the old one so to speak. Surma self-impregnated. The similarities are because she chose him but they never boned. Tony is mainly bitter over this 16 year blue balling he got. He chopped off his own hand because he's a good Catholic.
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Aug 3, 2015 13:48
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Paramemetic posted:Tony is mainly bitter over this 16 year blue balling he got. He chopped off his own hand because he's a good Catholic. 
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Aug 3, 2015 14:26
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ElMaligno posted:Anthony Carver: The One Handed Angel One winged wanker
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Aug 3, 2015 14:32
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Tom: "And now to make you love him."
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Aug 3, 2015 15:00
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It feels so neat, to be constantly right about a character.
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Aug 3, 2015 16:14
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"So Tony you're being distant with Annie to try and protect her from The Court?" "No she's just a thick and I hate her"
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Aug 3, 2015 16:24
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Blackheart posted:It feels so neat, to be constantly right about a character. Yeah, Tony having done nothing wrong continuing to be true is pretty nice.
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Aug 3, 2015 17:06
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Whoa there, you're getting a little too blatant
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Aug 3, 2015 17:48
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Her room is too big and that's about it, but it'll be awesome if he gets her a bunch of Hot Wheel tracks and junk, girls like Hot Wheels right? No? Well then Tony is the devil.
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Aug 3, 2015 18:28
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She plays third wheel and fire is hot, so maybe she does.
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Aug 3, 2015 18:35
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Hot Wheels is more of a Kat kind of thing.
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Aug 3, 2015 18:37
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YF-23 posted:Hot Wheels is more of a Kat kind of thing. As far as we know. By next week we'll laugh that we ever even saw Kat in such a way.
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Aug 3, 2015 18:42
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Maybe Annie could get into running and paint a track on the floor. I can't really think of something she could use the space for that she'd likely be into, but I'm not sure what her interests are outside of burning things, solving mysteries, and karate which doesn't require that large of a space. Kat could use it for a million loving things.
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Aug 3, 2015 18:50
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Can't wait to see how "Couldn't bear to show my face around here" and "Sent Antimony to study here" mesh together. I can foresee "I came back because the Court told me about the cheating and I realised I was failing someone, once again."
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Aug 3, 2015 19:13
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Could be that Anthony gave Annie a giant white room so that she could fill it and decorate it the way she likes instead of having someone else's aesthetic preferences imposed on her.
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Aug 3, 2015 20:36
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Maybe Tom was just being lazy and didn't feel like drawing a big ol room of stuff what a bad artist shame
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Aug 3, 2015 20:51
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YF-23 posted:Could be that Anthony gave Annie a giant white room so that she could fill it and decorate it the way she likes instead of having someone else's aesthetic preferences imposed on her. He got her a gigantic room so she could have all her friends over at once so she doesn't lose touch with her former classmates.
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maswastaken posted:Can't wait to see how "Couldn't bear to show my face around here" and "Sent Antimony to study here" mesh together. I get the feeling that the latter might not have been his choice. It might have been part of the bargain for giving him the resources to study Surma's condition.
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Aug 3, 2015 21:04
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Slime posted:He got her a gigantic room so she could have all her friends over at once so she doesn't lose touch with her former classmates. 
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Aug 3, 2015 21:33
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I guess Tony wouldn't know about her drunken fireworks show in the forest.
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Aug 3, 2015 21:36
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He'd probably know about the cow-based laser show she and her classmates put on, though.
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Madrox posted:I can recall nothing in this comic that even vaguely suggests Jeanne was half fire elemental. Where are you getting that from? Yeah, I just went off on a random speculation ride based on what I quoted, sorry I didn't make that more clear.
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"She didn't want her child born in this place. And she didn't want Anja to watch her... waste away. You know how proud she was." "But to cut off all contact! Anja was heartbroken!" "As was Surma... There were many times when I offered to bring her back to the court, but she refused." He doesn't really answer the "cut off all contact" question. They have cell phones in this universe, right?
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