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Probably Magic posted:Unironically this. Hopeless will redeem himself for Avengers Arena if All-New X-Men ends with all of the past X-Men getting covered in X-23's trigger scent and the last issue is her murdering them.
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Die Laughing posted:It's a cool name and costume. Kitty has never really been known for her costume or code name, so she can get away with adopting someone else's look for a while. Though I'm not sure if those guns can survive her phasing powers. Doesn't anything she's touching when she shifts density (Ultimate Kitty can go both ways, a la Vision) go with her, she only messes up electronics if she phases through after she's ghosting? Lurdiak posted:I am honestly not sure how many versions of Blink are out there. One? Maybe two if the 616 one is still around? Basically every time she's showed up in Exiles it's the AoA version. That was even a plot point in Jeff Parker's aborted run.
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Aug 3, 2015 01:07
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Lurdiak posted:Because Bendis' contract says he has to write Star Lord, but he just wants to write his anime girlfriend, so by god, he'll make HER Starlord. Since when is it "Bendis wants Kitty as his Waifu"? I thought that was Whedon's thing. I found her under Bendis not that different from her under Aaron, except a lot more of her than I really would like to see.
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Aug 3, 2015 08:41
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Because it's a cheap easy jab to make Bendis uses Kitty as a viewpoint character, exactly what she's been for since she was created, but goons gonna make it weird
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Aug 3, 2015 08:50
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So cheap and easy Bendis has made fun of himself for it. He absolutely had a crush on her when reading X-Men comics as a kid, but Claremont basically designed her to be the character 12 year old boys fall in love with.
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Aug 3, 2015 15:15
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Nah, better just pin it on me. I made up the thing Bendis said about himself.
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Aug 3, 2015 16:30
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What was the Marvel thing they put out that had a bunch of 'what MU character is your spirit animal' type questions posed to various Marvel staffers? I think Bendis made the Kitty joke, and maybe Gillen or Fraction also did it but then chose someone else because "Bendis probably took her already".
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Aug 3, 2015 16:41
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Lurdiak posted:Surprisingly, I don't think so. Unless you count Daken and X-23. edit: I only read one issue of Wolverines. Did it get better? Did people like it? I like Charles Soule well enough, I could try reading more if people like it.
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Aug 3, 2015 17:12
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Fritzler posted:There was a second Wolverine created near the end of the surprisingly great Wolverine: The Best There Is series. Is Albert of Albert and Elsie Dee fame still alive? Does anyone care? And now there is a guy who has wolverine's face in the Wolverines series. I stopped reading that series though, I wasn't really enjoying it. Maybe he is one of those other two. Soule didn't write every issue and the ones he didn't write felt very disjointed. I quit after #9 or so but I have all of them sitting here and should really get back to it.
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Aug 3, 2015 17:16
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Lurdiak posted:Nah, better just pin it on me. I made up the thing Bendis said about himself. How could you. 
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Aug 3, 2015 17:39
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Fritzler posted:edit: I only read one issue of Wolverines. Did it get better? Did people like it? I like Charles Soule well enough, I could try reading more if people like it. I hated the ending so much it made me mad that I'd read the rest of them.
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Fritzler posted:Edit: I only read one issue of Wolverines. Did it get better? Did people like it? I like Charles Soule well enough, I could try reading more if people like it. As others mentioned, Soule doesn't write the whole thing, the writing varies wildly in terms of quality, everyone spends the book trying to out-idiot each other and the rare good moments burried in the book are not worth the terrible ending. Without spoiling much, there are a couple of legitimately good scenes like Deadpool's scenes and Logan getting drunk, but even those scenes are buried in between terrible scenes (DP is introduced into the story by a new character Fantomelle who despite having a lot of screen time and being created for the series didn't really do anything other than set up an okay DP joke, and the Logan drunk scene is a flashback by an alien character whose arc dragged)
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Rhyno posted:Soule didn't write every issue and the ones he didn't write felt very disjointed. I quit after #9 or so but I have all of them sitting here and should really get back to it. It was... decent. Definitely not great, but it was an alright little book. The final payoff was kind of hilarious in a meta way though (spoilers I guess though it doesn't really matter since the entire series will be invalidated post-Secret Wars) so it turns out that pretty much everything has been set up by Mystique pulling strings because she's trying to bring her dead lover Destiny back to life through a series of ridiculously circuitous instructions Destiny recorded on a tape before she died. At the end, after she's pulled it all off and lied and backstabbed her way to the Nexus of All Realities, she gets one last letter from Destiny like Marty at the end of Back to the Future II saying that she lied, she can't come back, but that the multiverse is ending and the universe needs a Wolverine. So faced with the choice of resurrecting Logan or death by incursion, Mystique decides "Let it burn", turns around and leaves. I mean, don't ask me how Wolverine would have helped stop an incursion, but it was a good dark comedy moment TwoPair fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Aug 3, 2015 |
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Aug 3, 2015 22:15
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Duh, he would've stabbed it.
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Aug 3, 2015 22:34
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Taking him off the board before the incursion plot went full steam now makes a lot of sense.
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Aug 3, 2015 23:16
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I like to believe that somehow that very plot happened in our universe. Throughout convoluted means some ultra-powerful being convinced Hugh Jackman to continue being Wolverine again and again so our universe would survive the final incursions.
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Aug 4, 2015 01:52
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I bet Wolverine would've just killed the Ultimate Earth the moment he found out what was up. Alternatively, it'd be funny if him being there just meant he said something off-hand that inspired Tony or Reed or someone to think of a genius solution and it has nothing to do with his usual murder tendencies.
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Aug 4, 2015 01:54
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Oh great, Mystique was behind it all again 
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Aug 4, 2015 01:57
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I'm re-reading those Clone Saga books again because I hate myself.
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SynthOrange posted:Oh great, Mystique was behind it all again Mystique owns, though.
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Aug 4, 2015 04:33
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Probably Magic posted:Mystique owns, though. We've had, and this is no joke, 10 years of Mystique being the mastermind of poo poo without stopping. It's so bad, that it's a joke when Mystique is behind things now because it's such an easy cop out.
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Probably Magic posted:Mystique owns, though. No she doesn't. Either that or you don't know what "owns" means.
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Aug 4, 2015 05:19
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Mystique is pretty cool, she's badass and stuff.
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PaybackJack posted:We've had, and this is no joke, 10 years of Mystique being the mastermind of poo poo without stopping. It's so bad, that it's a joke when Mystique is behind things now because it's such an easy cop out. Admittedly, a lot of those storylines are poo poo, even though I think it's funny that the usual goal is the fairly benign, "Bring my girlfriend back to life." But I think she works well when she's forced to work with an X-team, as someone morally nebulous. And some of the more subtle aspects of her character, that constantly shifting around through forms has made her lose her identity, is really interesting, though rarely is it explored when she's just a general antagonist. Like, Uncanny X-Men's upcoming lineup looks fascinating to me, except I'd throw in Evan and Juggernaut for giggles. I like the idea of converted mutant villains kinda working together. It beats, "Let's rehash the original members all over again." If Magneto can be the mutant answer to Punisher, Mystique can be the mutant answer to Black Widow. It's my stupid little dream for the character, anyway. Probably Magic fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Aug 4, 2015 |
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Aug 4, 2015 05:31
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I've heard her solo series was cool. 
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Probably Magic posted:Admittedly, a lot of those storylines are poo poo, even though I think it's funny that the usual goal is the fairly benign, "Bring my girlfriend back to life." But I think she works well when she's forced to work with an X-team, as someone morally nebulous. And some of the more subtle aspects of her character, that constantly shifting around through forms has made her lose her identity, is really interesting, though rarely is it explored when she's just a general antagonist. She's a good character with a lot of history that has been stuck in the role of evil Mastermind for way too long and she's just overexposed at this point. They should have used the "Get Mystique" arc to take her character off the board for a while. I mean nobody really wanted Sabertooth to come back when he did, but at least we got a few years without him. The two of them together are like the worst offenders of "comics haven't changed in 30 years" stuff. Someone kills them and everyone thinks "ok, now we'll get some new stuff." then we get the new stuff, it mostly sucks, and editors reverse and bring back old stuff. I really hope that this post secret wars era is one where we can finally move on in a lot of ways. 616 Logan remaining dead and X-23 taking his role, or splitting it with Old Man Logan, is a status quo that I hope we can go a while without before someone decides that Uncanny X-Men #X00 needs to have the return of the original Wolverine.
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PaybackJack posted:She's a good character with a lot of history that has been stuck in the role of evil Mastermind for way too long and she's just overexposed at this point. They should have used the "Get Mystique" arc to take her character off the board for a while. I mean nobody really wanted Sabertooth to come back when he did, but at least we got a few years without him. The two of them together are like the worst offenders of "comics haven't changed in 30 years" stuff. Someone kills them and everyone thinks "ok, now we'll get some new stuff." then we get the new stuff, it mostly sucks, and editors reverse and bring back old stuff. Yeah, Mystique's "Will she/won't she reform?" schtick is very tired. She's the adopted mother of one X-men and the birth mother of another, she's worked for Xavier, and mutant supremacy fronts are less of a thing since Cyclops has adopted a defensive stance. There's no reason for her not to join their ranks. Her betraying the team again would be on par with Rogue losing control of her powers, Wolverine losing a girlfriend, Jean dying, Gambit saying, "Mon ami," again, etc. It would be very predictable, just like Magneto turning back to full-blown villain would be.
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Aug 4, 2015 05:59
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Cover for All-New X-Men #1 has a couple of new members Evan and Idie as well as the new costumes.
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zoux posted:Cover for All-New X-Men #1 has a couple of new members Evan and Idie as well as the new costumes.
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Aug 4, 2015 16:01
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zoux posted:Cover for All-New X-Men #1 has a couple of new members Evan and Idie as well as the new costumes.
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zoux posted:Cover for All-New X-Men #1 has a couple of new members Evan and Idie as well as the new costumes. Interesting. Who's the fire wing guy though? I like Evan and Idie, and think they'll be a good fit for the team. Although last I remember of Evan he became Apocalypse because of SIXIS. Which I didn't really like at all, seeing as such a huge part of his character was the nature vs nurture thing. Having him turn Apocalypse just because of a stupid villain really pissed me off.
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Well, SIXIS was bad, so there you go.
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I mean, Evan was always going to turn into Apocalypse at some point. I'd imagine he'll do it again as well. What the hell does Oya mean, anyway? And I guess Angel got the arch in the Black Mirror arc that I haven't read yet, huh?
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As a fan of Archangel, I like the idea that young Angel gets to be a cosmic sun angel instead of a metal angel of death.
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zoux posted:What the hell does Oya mean, anyway? http://www.thaliatook.com/AMGG/oya.php
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krakagar posted:Interesting. Who's the fire wing guy though? I mean, doesn't that actually reinforce the nature vs. nurture thing? If him inverted is Apocalypse, then he's on the right track. Sidenote: I didn't read
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I like Scott's X-Factor-esque costume. Those were great.
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Yeah everything looks great. Well, except for the creative team 
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Hopeless been writing some good Spider Woman, and Bagley Ultimate Spider-Maning the X Kids ain't bad at all.
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What was the last team book Hopeless was on? Also it's a matter of personal taste but I can't stand Bagley.
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